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Watching the coronation of Queen Elizabeth you can see an anointing ceremony that is very close to what happens in an LDS Temple. Did that come from Masonry?

Your quotes in the language of the day does not support your assumption.

This is good research from John Dinger. I had only heard of him before by reading his article "Joseph Smith’s Indictment for Adultery and Fornication." In this presentation, John touched on why William Marks left Nauvoo after being forced out by the apostles. I realize that many RLDS-based people as well as these modern-day Utah Mormon "Joseph Smith Polygamy Deniers" want to believe that Smith had nothing to do with polygamy. But the situation after Joseph's death was that almost all of the 12 apostles had been inducted into plural marriage by Joseph. They were not aware of Joseph's instruction to Marks to set about excommunicating all polygamists. So because the apostles didn't hear that from Joseph, they refused to believe Marks. As Marks said in his 1853 statement: "I mentioned the circumstances of these conversations with Joseph to many of the brethren, immediately after his death; but the only effect it had was to raise a report that Brother Marks was about to apostatize: and my statement of the conversation in reference to the practice of polygamy, was pronounced false by the Twelve, and disbelieved; but I now testify that the above statements are verily true, and correct.” Marks reiterated that in 1859: "After the Prophet’s death, I made mention of this conversation to several, hoping and believing that it would have a good effect; but to my great disappointment, it was soon rumored about that Brother Marks was about to apostatize, and that all that he said about the conversation with the Prophet was a tissue of lies." Because Marks and Sidney Rigdon were anti-polygamy, the polygamous apostles simply forced them out of power by sheer weight of numbers. As John Dinger notes, Marks left Nauvoo and moved upriver, where he was joined by Emma Smith and her children. So this entire split between the Utah church and what became the RLDS church occurred primarily over polygamy.

This was excellent. Thank you for putting this on. How does one get in contact with Andrew?

Greetings from Pleasant Hill Missouri. Happy International Day of Peace

Very cool to hear a story about my aunty ❤️

Thank goodness for the Moore Family and their road trips! Thank you for posting!

Super interesting video. Thanks!

What. I hope they had fun lol

Very cool. I was just visiting my son’s family in soda. I love these older stories. Thanks

I grew up in WYoming as well, and one year we had a wrestling tournament in Moorcroft, it really is out in the boonies haha

LDS member here, grateful for you RLDS brothers and sisters who are so kind! Thanks for this great video!

Thank you for such a masterful tour by two scholars who know the Kirtland Temple so well. I was deeply enriched by your knowledge and willingness to share. You've blessed my life greatly.

Can’t see it

Thanks for the bio. It makes 0 sense the Lord intended for a local stake high council to outrank the 12 apostles in the hierarchy of the entire church body. Prior to Nauvoo, there were 2 stake high councils. One in Kirtland and one in Missouri. D&C stated that as the church grew, there were to be many stakes. And so with it many stake high councils. Stakes were local bodies only. They were never intended to oversee the entire church. Do you think the 12 apostles in the New Testament times and Book of Mormon times were outranked by the local bodies in Zarahemla or Antioch? No matter how big the church got, there was to remain only 1 body of 12 apostles. But the stakes were to multiply. Just look at the hierarchy in the RLDS (Community of Christ) today to further see this principle. Does a local stake in that church outrank their 12 apostles in seniority? Remember when the church just started out because there was only 1 or 2 stakes the 12 apostles were mostly responsible to preach the gospel to the ENTIRE WORLD and oversee its branches outside the main stake. Which makes sense. Because if they were responsible for overseeing stake matters in Nauvoo, there would be a redundancy. You would basically have 2 bodies of 12 men bumping into each other all the time. With the same responsibilities and infighting. Joseph continued to give more and more responsibility to the 12 as the Church grew. And in D&C (at least the LDS version) it states the 12 apostles were equal in authority to the first presidency (assuming it was dissolved.) That is the only logical way it could be looking at how the Book of Mormon and New Testament churches. When Jesus left the Nephites in Bountiful and Saints in Jerusalem to go back to heaven, who did he put in charge of the church? A local council or his 12 apostles? So please stop continuing the nonsense that a local stake high council outranks the 12 apostles of the lamb in authority. I agree that in local matters, a stake president has authority over an apostle in local matters. As does a Bishop. But not in the overall hierarchy of the church. Nor were they ever intended to.

Thanks for sharing the recording!

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This was educational and insightful. Thank you so much, Michael. I enjoyed every minute. Fascinating!

I would think at some point DNA analysis would clear up the question of skeletal remains. Descendants of these people to match to.

Lyman Wight is my 5th great grandfather. Thank you for this lecture.

I treasure those times when your life and mine intersected, and also the many times when I (and often Marge) have benefitted from the miinistries you gave before we traveled to several of those places around the world when you had preceded us.

Greetings from Pleasant Hill Missouri

Great video! Weren't most daguerreotypes at the time mirror images? And if so, couldn't the painter deliberately paint the buttons on the correct side?

Early Christian agnostic writings describe washings and annointings and other practices Masonry inherited.

I don't think the Lord intented the succession to the presidency of the church to be monarchical. D&C states the 12 held equal authority to the first presidency. But I agree with the Reorganized Church that Joseph Smith never advocated polygamy.

What do you think about Jesus only choosing men as his apostles? And only male Levites having the Priesthood in the Old Testament?

We are so grateful for the feeling of love and stewardship you have felt for this temple for so many years. It is still here to love appreciate only because of your service.

God's judgment is in the earth. Truth will come to light. The gig is up & you gentiles will show the true picture of joseph smith before the second coming of Christ. I decree & declare it so in Joshua's the Christ, the anointed one's name , Indeed!!! Y'all know the different species of dinosaurs millions of years ago but an authentic picture of joseph smith jr. 1800s' ? So many different pictures of him, now which one is the true version?

What was the view of Marks regarding allegations that Joseph Smith was a polygamist?

Well now your church is woke, liberal, progressive and broke. How’s that working for you.

Why does the temple look bigger in black and white photos!?

When I lived in Arizona I read a book titled “Our Legacy of Faith, A Brief History of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints” and found it fascinating. Particularly the behavior of the post Civil War Missourians. They were more contrite and non-hostile to the returning Saints to the area. My wife and I had the pleasure of visiting the Auditorium and Temple, as well as the Temple Lot Chapel. It was a joy seeing so many related churches in one place. We now live quietly in Utah and cherish the memories and spirit of our Midwest cousins.

Greetings from Pleasant Hill Missouri. My dream goal is to visit the Kirtland temple and Nauvoo

Awesome. How come everybody thinks Joseph had blonde hair. His hair looks pretty dark to me.

Woo hoo! I found our chairs from Ludington! I think I saw our table as well. Now all I have to find is our pulpit. Joseph Smith III and J.R. Cornish both spoke from that pulpit. It's there somewhere. Thank you for sharing this with us.

Here's the history its a gathering of folks who love and envy Joseph smith manipulation of child molesting love how he turned his child molesting sexual exploitation and abuse and said it was meant to be from God It's gathers the people who want follow smith saying it's thier belief it's their right to follow smith To honor smith to whorship his book his sex cult and say it's a good place to raise your kids in while the authorities drag out one priesthood members after another accused of sexual assault of kids. The members love the game of exposing thier kids to be sexually assaulted then shun them after they report to get as many victims as possible in what call the jospeh smith experience They don't shun the accused they shun victims That's part of thier witnesss that Smith was a prophet is to shun victims of sexual abuse and sexual assault If sexually assualted or abuse do not report it to these folks gathering presenting smith as prophet they love abusers They the report expose as many kids to assaulted as they can And hide the abuser They whorship smith morn his death celebrate his life So reporting. These folks they will run to make phrophet out of accused they will gather to whorship the 2 coming of smith and shun the victims So report to the church go to authorities and keep them out of it cause they run to help out your accused they see the accused as they see josph smith The church attacts sexual preditors because it's a place they can be honored so it attacts breeds grooms these folks Example just one of many As soon as the beloved paster of the richardson congergation a man my parents honor as the 2nd coming smith a true follower He finds out another priesthood was into pron and then sexual abused his son He say anything what he did run get a picture of jospeh smith run to change the hall bathroom were priesthood goes to now girls and boys bathroom women men bathroom to expose as many kids as possible to Tom to make sure Tom waa honored as a priesthood member Tom enjoying himself in bathroom while chris is up front claiming his love josph smith Until the fbi come out to arrest him at his home plano He honored by the church was provided as many victims as possible Same with slim Utley who's daughter reported him She was shunned and slim was sent to work the youth camp to enjoy himself and expose himself as kids possible they honored him as like another 2nd coming of smith until he reached over 100 victims They victimize the reporter and honor the accused you follow the smith lovers around find out who providing for giving houses and money too providing victims too honoring as the 2nd coming of smith and theirs your sexual preditors If walk into the church keep your kids with you at all times Don't let go to the bathroom Ignore the calls to honor thier sexual preditors with victims sending them camp t Either camp sionito or 2000 strong. Chris taylor had seek out josph smith to have kids victimized he did by opening 2000 strong found out the daughter a pre teen accused her dad of sexual touching her when he was drunk he was reported this sparked an intrest in chris taylor an idea to use him as 2000 strong camp councilor so when he was arrested for getting drunk assaulting his wife and 2 of camp goers who reported him it spark an intrest to keep the girls from going further with their report by bailing him out of carolton pd station and giving him a job as camp counselor at his 2000 strong victims and counting then his daughter back down on the report So keep your kids with they honor and expose as many kids to sexual preditors abusers they honor them they shun victims Sad but true They don't believe women should speak Which is set for thier victims so they don't honor reports of sexal abuse from women rape or children why because they groomed them by saying women are not supose to speak So what dose mean for them lets ask fred greene and chris tayor what that mean for them ? WHAT did it mean for jospeh smith ? What did smith running around gather 16 year Olds and kidnapping women taking taking them his fenced off cult to indoctrinate them on his bizzare sex cult teachings of multiple marriages called his sexual cult what did it mean for him to claim women shouldn't speak It' means they end up with over 100 victims of sexual assault at camp sionito Authorities come to finally arrest Utley Then they need to find another Joseph smith so chris taylor run to bail out a m mooris under investigation for sexually abusing his daughter and family violent assault of his wife that was done in front of 2 of youth camp goes then he bails him out of carroltion jail And says here's the Josph smith replacement The authorities drug off vanorloos now we need another and mike morries volunteered and chris taylor said we found our jospeh smith its the second coming of smith bail him out then chris and shelly open 2000 victims camp and says here we found the replacement for Utley. Utley only got up to 100 victims we need how many 2000 strong so chris goes and bails out mike morris and says we found our 2nd comg of smith Don't inform. The priesthood about abuse they honor jospeh smith so who are they going honor ? They are programed to gather victims to honor sexual preditors Carolyn greene worked to gather as many victims as she could to attend camp sionito running up to michigan getting John david from her mother to send him to sionito Running around gathering the children for Utley after she participated in shunning of his daughter who reported him. She had full knowledge and call ran around gathering victims for Utley at camp sionoto Then calls and calls with her women shouldn't speak dipshit ideas and helps chris taylor gather victims for 2000 strong She calls gather victims hurry time is limited the catholics are catching up gather children rlds roll members are falling hurry we need 2000 strong and Lost slim hurry she calls and calls to promote they want our due Utley 100 victims Thier goal is 2000 victims Here's the training read this scripture women don't speak They can't report that's from god Now pull out your book of morman and let's study and honor smith who gathered 34 wives Married 16 year Olds will just call it what child sexual assault and sexual exploiting How he get that far ? Let's go back carolyn original scripture. Women don't speak. Really so if women don't speak then kids can't be heard So if have a report of abuse what going happen is They are end up with over 100 victims being kids because the manipulation of the scripture women don't speak therfore thier reports are ignored They are shunned So knowing that don't report to these folks gathering honoring smi5h gathering victims running with women don't speak cause They are victim gathers and advertise sionito only got 100 with this women don't speak We need 2000 and don't believe in women speaking

I thoroughly enjoyed your interesting and detailed presentation. I learned so much. The Kirtland Temple is absolutely beautiful and has been very well taken care of. Thank you for everything you have done to preserve this historic and sacred space.

Thank you, I learned a lot. We love the same Prophet!

I have been a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saint over 40 years and enjoyed this video especially now my church has taken ownership of the temple

On a related note, I recommend reading the paper "Dartmouth Arminianism And Its Impact on Hyrum Smith And the Smith Family". It also discusses Hyrums involvement in Freemasonry, including his name being spelled "Hiram" in his early days.

Amazing lecture! I am seldom speechless.

Love it!

my name is craig benbow am from kingston jamaica i currently live in america

Definitely not Joseph. I have a picture of him. Someone found a picture of Joseph in the library of Congress not too long ago.

Excellent information. Thank you.

So interesting, thank you for your research.

I thought the David Rogers portrait was a touched up daguerreotype. If it’s not, that would explain why they don’t match I guess.

Fascinating!

Joseph smith is in a bad bad place for eternity dont join him