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"You must understand your way out of this."

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Another interesting thematic point is that the ultimate result of the Shadows and Vorlon’s actions often end up being the opposite of their stated ideology. By threatening the younger races the Shadows set the stage for those races to cooperate with each other even more and come together into even bigger ordered social structure. They helped the Centauri conquer the Narn, which reduced the number of major powers available to compete and fight. They helped Clarke establish a totalitarian regime on Earth. Meanwhile the Vorlons created telepaths, and in doing so triggered repeated episodes of massive social unrest in almost every race they made telepaths in, resulting in civil wars, disunity, intrigues, extermination of the telepath populations in several races, and a general increase in overall chaos. It highlights how both of them have lost sight of the original philosophies to some degree.

*_"Strong races are made even stronger."_* But not necessarily made *BETTER.*

Note how Delenn holds her ground against the Shadows that move around her, whereas Sheridan is moving around the Vorlon who is standing firm.

For all its virtues (and there are many) I found this resolution to B5’s Shadow War arc to be a disappointment. Perhaps it was an inevitable one. Though it’s much better-finessed here, the idea that two races a million years advanced of those of the protagonists’ could be argued out of their plans by a couple of stirring speeches makes about as much sense as Captain Kirk disarming advanced AI with his illogic.

“Those that think all virtue is to be found in their own party principles push matters to extremes; they do not consider that disproportion destroys a state.” [Aristotle - Politics Book 5, Part IX]

well now i know where ds9 got its wormhole aliens

This show does not get the credit it deserves. So beautifully written and so many great actors.

This entire cast from Babylon 5 are outstanding and it’s sad so many have passed too soon. However what made this an over the top show was the background music mostly composed by Christopher Franke. His music was every bit as good as John Williams and John Barry. Franke was able to touch a level of emotion the actors got us partly there.

Both are required

Loved JS..❤..

Hmmm..... Flash forward 15 years and here we are again. The two opposing forces demanding that choose !!! Pick a side.... Die when we tell you to die.... Do what we demand that you do... Babylon 5 was Profetic as if staring into "The Looking Glass" and seeing 2023 !!!!!

This show taught me a lot look at our society now they make you choose between Left and right when Delen said it's best to not choose and walk away it's about ideology and only between the choices you give us that is no choice at all

say whatever you want, in my mind, Franklin and EMS from Voyager are the greatest Sci-fi doctors. Franklin especially is actually more realistically human. He's flawed, he has his own demons and yet, he always stick to being a doctor.

Soooo well acted!

When I was a kid watching this show, it was always a toss up between my favorite human, Dr. Franklin because of his insight into the human condition and general intelligence, and Garibaldi because he's just a tough, principled, just guy. Both battling very human personal flaws (Franklin's drug addiction, Garibaldi's alcoholism and hot temper). Looking back on it, most of the characters, even aliens were very human. G'Kar, initially portrayed as a simple political opportunist in the first few episodes, becomes a tormented and self-sacrificing revolutionary, Mallori, ever the opportunist, values the Republic over all and displays immense compassion towards the nice, capable, but naive Vir, I didn't really care about Delenne one way or the other, but that's a writing problem, not an acting problem. The themes that Earth was, by definition, a fascist state but it was not cartoonish. God such a good, and deep show.

Notice he did not judge him. He did not try to correct his beliefs or admonish him for not taking the moral opinion. Everyone has a choice. Some die for those choices, and others open doors for others.

This was one of the best episodes to come out of Season 5.

I love the "you don't want to kill the messenger, you want to kill the message"

B5 GREAT SHOW 👍 IT SHOW REAL HUMANITY

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For some perspective read up on her Japanese civilians threw themselves off of Cliff's when the US capturedn Islands in world war II and the remaining ones were astonished that the u.s. soldiers did not rape and murder them

You know, reflecting on this now... The Shadow's side sounds a lot like the Sword Logic from Destiny. Traveler vs The Witness = Vorlons vs Shadows?

Instead of being self righteous, Franklin sympathizes, explains his position, then let's the other man think on it. THAT is how to have respectful and persuasive dialogue.

Why........is this such shitty resolution?

When I was watching this in New York I had no idea that in 2014 after Majdan my mother will take her own life. Oh, well...

Incredible speech, very moving. Dr Franklin/Richard Biggs was special. Too bad the West now doesn't value life, only money and immorality.

Choices,consequences and responsibilities.you will make decisions,you will make mistakes but have you the courage to own your responsibilities? B5 always was more grown up and showed morally ambiguous choices and what happened next.an excellent series ,a universe without heroes and villains just individuals who trued to make the least bad choice often not understanding the choices offered

The high road can yield valuable fruit.

Cool story about life and the people who clean up the station and keep it running. Loved this episode. Great questions by JMS as always.

This show is from the 90s. But who wrote this was very aware of how unhealed traumas tend to repeat themselves throughout our lives. It is 2022 and only now people in my country are starting to wake up to "Sistemic Constelations" and the power they have to bring these traumas up and heal them. This stuff has been appearing in TV over 3 decades and only now people are realizing. Better late than never I guess!!!

The thing is though, order and chaos despite their appearances are exactly the same thing. Eventually chaos always comes into harmony even for a second when nature takes it's course we wouldn't be here if it didn't.

JMS will go down as one of the greats along with Herbert, assimov, and Corey

evolution was not choosing between black or white ...simples! ...if only human race could work that out

Shut up Sheridan and do as you’re told!

Sometimes it is even more important to know, that you are the order, in all your chaos.!

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I had this kind of huge conflict about 10 years from ago. I had a mom mainly being my best friend, where I had a friend trying to be my mother. I felt so pulled by each side that they both could not see one way or another but when I made my own choices, I got spite from both of them. It was hard to maintain a relationship with both of them (the friend left for a while and my mother and I nearly renounced each other) afterwards but luckily the three of us, separately were able to find common ground.

Hmmm... is that what the original Vorlons looked like?

this whole scene is just one mind trip. LOVE IT! Favorite episode ever! Watched it so many times

Great fantasy requires great storytelling. Unlike most scifi shows; or shows in general, the best stories are created fully and completely before being told. Babylon 5 is unique in that its story has fully realized, unlike most other shows that make up portions oer season as they go. This method of adding to a story in portions/ seasons means a plot to the story/series can shift and change season by season due to many factors. Changes in writing, changes in actors, changes in main writers, interference from studio or executives who think they know better. The danger of inconsistent and incomplete storytelling is much greater when the story isnt fully finished. They say Peter Jackson fully mapped out all three Lord of the Rings films before he began shooting because he understood that it was the only way to link all three films paced to a central theme with lesser themes twinned about that major theme like lesser tropes around a larger one to give it strength. That is what Babalon 5 did so well, and that is why it stands out as both unique and unforgettable. Dont get me wrong it is possible to create a great story piece by piece, but it's rare and requires a creator/storyteller that can keep the story consistent in their head until it is fully realized, but more often than not that method is more likely to give rise to problems and inconsistency. Like Athena bursting forth from the mind of Zeus, Babylon 5 did not spring forth till it was fully realized. And graciously weathers the test of time with amazing characters and story that remain vital and significant to any who have watched the show. A work of love, a work of passion, a work of art that speaks to us still. Thank you, Micheal J Stranzinski...

It just look like the soul edge and soul calibur at odds with one another

"Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." THE Management.

So, he got Lost In Space again.

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A diamond of a sci fi series

for someone so obsessed with evolution, they never considered that morality itself is subject to evolution too.

What? What happened in the end

13 years ago this was posted. I'm feeling old