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Diablo 1 World Record Speedrun Exposed
DEFCON: Troll Trapping Through TAS Tools - Speedrunning Cheaters Exposed
dwangoAC, Keeper of TASBot, gives a presentation on dismantling the world record speedrun of Diablo 1 by groobo in great detail.
Presentation starts at 2:15
groobo's world record speedrun: th-cam.com/video/dW8XorD9RwI/w-d-xo.html
Disclaimer: This was recorded by a third-party, and this channel does not represent DEFCON or dwangoAC. The video is published as-is, and has not been modified.
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ความคิดเห็น

  • @ILove-MCR
    @ILove-MCR 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I remember back in a day my sister used to cry on this song 🥹

  • @ArchieRahman
    @ArchieRahman 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    One of my favorite songs of all time.. Cool version of it!!

    • @kphoenix137
      @kphoenix137 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. These kinds of comments make it all worth it

  • @Novastar.SaberCombat
    @Novastar.SaberCombat 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It *is* super sad to see people going to great lengths to cheat. The Silly Bitchel style of existence is both pathetic and unfulfilling. Nothing of value is achieved even if a person deceives everyone (including themselves) for a bloody century, because a LIE IS STILL A LIE. 😂 It's not like the Universe rewards flat-Earthers, lunar loons who claim the landing was false, nor even Chump and his brainwashed chimps; chicanery and deceit is like the dust under one's boots.

  • @sonarbu4805
    @sonarbu4805 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I want this to be the last thing I ever hear

  • @DylanSwinson
    @DylanSwinson 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just as great as the first time I heard this 14 years ago!

  • @Elfcheg
    @Elfcheg 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm glad algo recommended me this. Right after I watched the original 2009 speedrun video XD.

  • @jayesspee4870
    @jayesspee4870 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I remember seeing this run 15~ years ago and within a minute knew it wasn't legit. Obv whoever 'verified' this on whichever speedrunning site has never played D1 lmao.

  • @psiklops71
    @psiklops71 หลายเดือนก่อน

    just wait AI will ruin all speed run's

    • @shawn576
      @shawn576 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Programming the AI would be harder than doing a tas.

  • @bryanalexander3184
    @bryanalexander3184 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Something quickly glossed over here is that the game repeats the same level lay out forever after 2038? Does this mean I'm gonna have a hard cap on when i can load up diablo 1 and play it effectively?

    • @Codec264
      @Codec264 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Someone will make patch with different RNG algorithm by 2038

  • @misharatkevich9808
    @misharatkevich9808 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The thing with segments being from different playthroughs _is_ sort of believable as looser standards (as in SDA didn't catch it, and groobo didn't realize it wasn't allowed), but external modifications put it right into "wtf" category. I can't imagine any non-malicious excuse for that. No such seeds for levels 3 and 4? No seed WITH Naj's Puzzler in level 9? The fireball damage increase that was discovered later? No, this doesn't seem like an honest mistake.

  • @JacekNasiadek
    @JacekNasiadek หลายเดือนก่อน

    I remember Groobo being called out as a faker by many people on a famous polish Diablo website ~15 years ago. His D1 speedruns were well known to be illegitimate to hardcore D1 fans who had a thorough understanding of how the game works.

  • @justin9744
    @justin9744 หลายเดือนก่อน

    “I talked to a cheater and he said he wasn’t a cheater so I don’t think he’s a cheater now.” Actually the dumbest thing said in this video.

  • @justin9744
    @justin9744 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Groobo 100% did this with malicious intent.

  • @AEON1911
    @AEON1911 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a virgin

  • @jfroussel8717
    @jfroussel8717 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Allowing splicing in runs is just nonsensical

  • @Edikzord
    @Edikzord 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video - I watched funkmastermp when he was playing D1. Good old times :D

  • @Sch1n89
    @Sch1n89 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im played all dias to death and my question is why did he dropped the ring when he stepped out of the portal and grabs it again when he enters

    • @AJenbo
      @AJenbo หลายเดือนก่อน

      It could be so that it would not appear in any of the stores to make it easier to navigate them.

  • @studderk
    @studderk 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes yes I knew it!!!!!! Thank you!!!

  • @Aelolandas
    @Aelolandas 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The irony that this presentation video has audio cuts as almost as if it was spliced. Really good content, but would have been better without the audio issues.

    • @kphoenix137
      @kphoenix137 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I blame defcon

    • @misharatkevich9808
      @misharatkevich9808 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Presentations aren't exactly competitions, though. :P

  • @mythsofconfusion6973
    @mythsofconfusion6973 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just don't understand how it can be, that glich using, duping etc is allowed in such speedruns... do it the intendet way or just let it be....

    • @lukkkasz323
      @lukkkasz323 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There is no authority in speedrunning. Everyone can do There is no easy way to verify in all cases what is intended and what is not. So because of that glitches are not disallowed by default by most speedrunners, but instead there are speedrun categories that have to explicitly state which mechanics are disallowed in the rules. So if you want to see a speedrun without duping, just speedrun a game like that and simply add "no dupping" to the video title, no one prevents you from doing that.

    • @Edikzord
      @Edikzord 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There are different categories - glitch/no glitch are pretty common in many games.

    • @henryptung
      @henryptung หลายเดือนก่อน

      What is and isn't allowed is determined by category. There will often be a "no glitches" category (sometimes with debate over what constitutes a "glitch" vs. "intended behavior"), and sometimes more intermediate categories allowing or disallowing specific glitches (usually those that drastically change the nature of a run). But at the end of the day, runners run games for self-fulfillment and entertainment of others - nothing more, nothing less. Categories are formed around the runner community, what they want, and what keeps the experience enjoyable and entertaining.

    • @shawn576
      @shawn576 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But duping gold really is how we played this back in the day. It's not some speed running thing.

  • @jpt826
    @jpt826 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you guys liked this version, try listening to this cover: th-cam.com/video/f5wf3Aun434/w-d-xo.htmlsi=sJFzEXQOMmnyp1Nj

  • @Winslinator
    @Winslinator 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is a very interesting commentary on the pitfalls of segmented runs in general, and especially games like this where continuity (i.e., inventory) must be preserved. I think it's important to remember what a segmented run is supposed to be: a showcase of the theoretical best time achievable by a human in a SINGLE PLAYTHROUGH. groobo's run is clearly not that, and I agree with DwangoAC's assessment that groobo did not have malicious intentions. It's more the fault of SDA for not having the foresight to write strict enough rules that would've disallowed a run like this from being accepted. But the knowledge just wasn't there at the time; people thought with enough luck you could get a run like this. One thing this showcase has proven is that a run like this in a SINGLE PLAYTHROUGH is not possible, and for that I do also agree the run should be disqualified for not meeting today's segmented run standards.

    • @MasterJohnam
      @MasterJohnam 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think anyone who manipulates in game drops, maps, ability damages and version numbers via coding inputs or file manipulation outside of the game is malicious in intent and I can't think of any valid place this speed run should be published. It's basically a cheaters anthem. Segmented runs should not be alternate maps with editing back in the same gear and drops as the game continues through different maps. He kills diablo on par with what is basically Level 10 fireball with base L1+2(thinking cap) =L3, ok sure. I also really see the ring drop and frame perfect pickup from the portal being an insight into Groobo's mind, that he thinks "showing off/emote dabbing" in such a fashion elevates him over other players. I also can't speak to the teleport staff being non-legitimate, as I've seen it drop in Caves but it's HIGHLY HIGHLY likely it can't be produced as such at such a low level as gear drops have a distinct level threshold. I personally believe the only reason this presenter didn't go hard was out of fear of being sued as he probably doesn't know if this Groobo has resources like Billy Mitchell. I guess who needs the smoke?

    • @kphoenix137
      @kphoenix137 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Puzzler drop is possible in dungeon level 9, but there's no instance of that exact level layout occurring in any of the 2 billion game seeds where that lava lord drops it. He tampered with either the rng or the monster drop

  • @MasterJohnam
    @MasterJohnam 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was so easy to recognize as fake it's hilarious to think people believed it's real and real time.

    • @kphoenix137
      @kphoenix137 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It was presented as a segmented run, but a lot of the devious tricks he used that breached the rules were completely missed by a lot of people. Even with a team of people with a deep understanding of the source code, it still took weeks of working on a tool using the source code to really dig deep

    • @lukkkasz323
      @lukkkasz323 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@kphoenix137Just the frames missing is ridiculous enough that makes any competition pointless. Like he made a cut whenever he wanted missing a few frames, whoops, I should make a run where I cut 99999999 frames and beat Diablo in a second!

    • @kphoenix137
      @kphoenix137 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @lukkkasz323 exactly. Also it's funny because there have been more discoveries since this video, such as the fact groobo modified the fireball damage algorithm which allowed him to kill Diablo with fewer fireballs. A +4 value was changed to +32 IIRC

  • @manoqueenz
    @manoqueenz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Some people have too much time on their hands... And in this case, it wasn't the speedrunner :D

  • @florianinside5666
    @florianinside5666 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a crazy world we are living in. People spend time to make crazy records, other people spend time to expose them, and i spend time to watch it in full length

  • @kphoenix137
    @kphoenix137 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Karl Jobst please make a video about this!

    • @phl1psen
      @phl1psen 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh yes please! I can see Karl talking about this!

    • @kphoenix137
      @kphoenix137 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hello you absolute legends ​@phl1psen

    • @justin9744
      @justin9744 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I prefer this video to anything Karl puts out. Don’t get me wrong: Karl does some insane work and is great at what he does. He just comes across as a grifter and like he has a sense of superiority to everyone else and it’s off putting.

    • @bleepbloopblahp
      @bleepbloopblahp 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@justin9744 Now tell us what flavour of icecream you don't like.

  • @NeverAgain94
    @NeverAgain94 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Doesn’t sound like cobain at all

  • @molanhujikan7064
    @molanhujikan7064 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Kurt + creep = masterpiece

  • @fransiscobessi4784
    @fransiscobessi4784 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    👏🏻👏🏻

  • @heavencanwait.
    @heavencanwait. 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    me and my mom always used to listen to creep and we always thought it was by nirvana. I just found out it was by stone temple pilots 🤗

  • @reexmu
    @reexmu 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yeah right ha ha ha

  • @bambamnelson8143
    @bambamnelson8143 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    5:07 sounds alot like kurt

  • @jusb-honest24
    @jusb-honest24 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not a conspiracy theorists but they say the illuminati uses music,tv,internet etc to keep the masses dumb and controlled aka.. (brainwashed) For lack of better words the Grunge era was no fucks given. Its practically unknown and extinct nowadays! Yet look at the majority of music now 90% of it is moronic and duplicated. The same style and similar lyrics across the board!😮.....again, NOT a conspiracy theorists

  • @stevieshred682
    @stevieshred682 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I never knew it wasn't kurt to begin with.....😮

  • @ReneLopez-z2t
    @ReneLopez-z2t 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Primera canción hecha cover por Kurt resulto mejor que los Stone pilot

  • @cades.clips101
    @cades.clips101 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Forward yesterday, makes me wanna stay What they said was real, makes me wanna steal Livin' under house, guess I'm livin', I'm a mouse All's I got is time, got no meanin', just a rhyme Take time with a wounded hand 'Cause it likes to heal Take time with a wounded hand 'Cause I like to steal Take time with a wounded hand 'Cause it likes to heal, I like to steal I'm half the man I used to be (For as I feel as the dawn, it fades to gray) Well, I'm half the man I used to be (For as I feel as the dawn, it fades to gray) Well, I'm half the man I used to be (For as I feel as the dawn, it fades to gray) Well, I'm half the man I used to be Half the man I used to be Feelin' uninspired, think I'll start a fire Everybody run, Bobby's got a gun Think you're kind of neat, then she tells me I'm a creep Friends don't mean a thing, guess I'll leave it up to me Take time with a wounded hand 'Cause it likes to heal Take time with a wounded hand Guess I like to steal Take time with a wounded hand 'Cause it likes to heal, I like to steal I'm half the man I used to be (For as I feel as the dawn, it fades to gray) Well, I'm half the man I used to be (For as I feel as the dawn, it fades to gray) Well, I'm half the man I used to be (For as I feel as the dawn, it fades to gray) Well, I'm half the man I used to be Half the man I used to be Take time with a wounded hand 'Cause it likes to heal Take time with a wounded hand Guess I like to steal Take time with a wounded hand 'Cause it likes to heal, I like to steal I'm half the man I used to be (For as I feel as the dawn, it fades to gray) Well, I'm half the man I used to be (For as I feel as the dawn, it fades to gray) Well, I'm half the man I used to be (For as I feel as the dawn, it fades to gray) Well, I'm half the man I used to be Half the man I used to be Half the man I used to be

  • @Yenmytu2024
    @Yenmytu2024 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    WE ARE FUCKERS

  • @kylemaynard3758
    @kylemaynard3758 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sounds way better without that drummer guy

  • @AZWADER
    @AZWADER ปีที่แล้ว

    They should've made the backing vocals Dave Grohl

  • @C24_EDITZZZ
    @C24_EDITZZZ ปีที่แล้ว

    this would be a better nirvana song then stp song

  • @gunkyyy
    @gunkyyy ปีที่แล้ว

    coming back to this after one more time struck me in the feels.. now the lyrics are coming full circle... "I've been here before a few times And I'm quite aware we're dying And your hands, they shake with goodbyes And I'll take you back if you'd have me So here I am, I'm trying So here I am, are you ready? Come on let me hold you Touch you, feel you, always Kiss you, taste you all night, always And I'll miss your laugh, your smile I'll admit I'm wrong if you'd tell me I'm so sick of fights, I hate them Let's start this again, for real"

  • @SirZachariahlll
    @SirZachariahlll ปีที่แล้ว

    people pick sides but the two together is where the magic happens. fck matt P.S "Everything's Magic" 😉

  • @AshlynAdamsWyatt-qj7og
    @AshlynAdamsWyatt-qj7og ปีที่แล้ว

    Feel me now❤

  • @selever270
    @selever270 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are you still working on your Super Mario World Remastered project ?

  • @misharatkevich9808
    @misharatkevich9808 ปีที่แล้ว

    > portal to level 15 imagine that for real tho

    • @kphoenix137
      @kphoenix137 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😅

  • @ConmiesterYT
    @ConmiesterYT ปีที่แล้ว

    Very neat way to conclude the game than before, though...I wished he was a unique monster and drops some gear like a unique by chance.

  • @ConmiesterYT
    @ConmiesterYT ปีที่แล้ว

    Now THAT is really nice to see, it's something that I always want to see when all of the cut quests re-created in DevilutionX, considering I've seen it from Belzebub mod a long time ago. That being said, you are planning to restore all of the other cut quests someday?

    • @kphoenix137
      @kphoenix137 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, I'm restoring the cut quests for my devx mod lord of terror

    • @ConmiesterYT
      @ConmiesterYT 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How is that going by the way? It has been a while ever since I made a discussion about getting started with DevilutionX modding at their github site. I couldn't get into it for the time as I lacked a certain goal nor direction which I slowly gathered upon overtime.

  • @len34360
    @len34360 ปีที่แล้ว

    When I first heard this song I actually thought this was Kurt! 😂

  • @strikeforcealpha9343
    @strikeforcealpha9343 ปีที่แล้ว

    Starts bobbing head