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เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 10 ก.ย. 2011
Diablo 1 World Record Speedrun Exposed
DEFCON: Troll Trapping Through TAS Tools - Speedrunning Cheaters Exposed
dwangoAC, Keeper of TASBot, gives a presentation on dismantling the world record speedrun of Diablo 1 by groobo in great detail.
Presentation starts at 2:15
groobo's world record speedrun: th-cam.com/video/dW8XorD9RwI/w-d-xo.html
Disclaimer: This was recorded by a third-party, and this channel does not represent DEFCON or dwangoAC. The video is published as-is, and has not been modified.
dwangoAC, Keeper of TASBot, gives a presentation on dismantling the world record speedrun of Diablo 1 by groobo in great detail.
Presentation starts at 2:15
groobo's world record speedrun: th-cam.com/video/dW8XorD9RwI/w-d-xo.html
Disclaimer: This was recorded by a third-party, and this channel does not represent DEFCON or dwangoAC. The video is published as-is, and has not been modified.
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I remember back in a day my sister used to cry on this song 🥹
One of my favorite songs of all time.. Cool version of it!!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. These kinds of comments make it all worth it
It *is* super sad to see people going to great lengths to cheat. The Silly Bitchel style of existence is both pathetic and unfulfilling. Nothing of value is achieved even if a person deceives everyone (including themselves) for a bloody century, because a LIE IS STILL A LIE. 😂 It's not like the Universe rewards flat-Earthers, lunar loons who claim the landing was false, nor even Chump and his brainwashed chimps; chicanery and deceit is like the dust under one's boots.
I want this to be the last thing I ever hear
Just as great as the first time I heard this 14 years ago!
I'm glad algo recommended me this. Right after I watched the original 2009 speedrun video XD.
I remember seeing this run 15~ years ago and within a minute knew it wasn't legit. Obv whoever 'verified' this on whichever speedrunning site has never played D1 lmao.
just wait AI will ruin all speed run's
Programming the AI would be harder than doing a tas.
Something quickly glossed over here is that the game repeats the same level lay out forever after 2038? Does this mean I'm gonna have a hard cap on when i can load up diablo 1 and play it effectively?
Someone will make patch with different RNG algorithm by 2038
The thing with segments being from different playthroughs _is_ sort of believable as looser standards (as in SDA didn't catch it, and groobo didn't realize it wasn't allowed), but external modifications put it right into "wtf" category. I can't imagine any non-malicious excuse for that. No such seeds for levels 3 and 4? No seed WITH Naj's Puzzler in level 9? The fireball damage increase that was discovered later? No, this doesn't seem like an honest mistake.
I remember Groobo being called out as a faker by many people on a famous polish Diablo website ~15 years ago. His D1 speedruns were well known to be illegitimate to hardcore D1 fans who had a thorough understanding of how the game works.
“I talked to a cheater and he said he wasn’t a cheater so I don’t think he’s a cheater now.” Actually the dumbest thing said in this video.
Groobo 100% did this with malicious intent.
What a virgin
Allowing splicing in runs is just nonsensical
Great video - I watched funkmastermp when he was playing D1. Good old times :D
Im played all dias to death and my question is why did he dropped the ring when he stepped out of the portal and grabs it again when he enters
It could be so that it would not appear in any of the stores to make it easier to navigate them.
Yes yes I knew it!!!!!! Thank you!!!
The irony that this presentation video has audio cuts as almost as if it was spliced. Really good content, but would have been better without the audio issues.
I blame defcon
Presentations aren't exactly competitions, though. :P
I just don't understand how it can be, that glich using, duping etc is allowed in such speedruns... do it the intendet way or just let it be....
There is no authority in speedrunning. Everyone can do There is no easy way to verify in all cases what is intended and what is not. So because of that glitches are not disallowed by default by most speedrunners, but instead there are speedrun categories that have to explicitly state which mechanics are disallowed in the rules. So if you want to see a speedrun without duping, just speedrun a game like that and simply add "no dupping" to the video title, no one prevents you from doing that.
There are different categories - glitch/no glitch are pretty common in many games.
What is and isn't allowed is determined by category. There will often be a "no glitches" category (sometimes with debate over what constitutes a "glitch" vs. "intended behavior"), and sometimes more intermediate categories allowing or disallowing specific glitches (usually those that drastically change the nature of a run). But at the end of the day, runners run games for self-fulfillment and entertainment of others - nothing more, nothing less. Categories are formed around the runner community, what they want, and what keeps the experience enjoyable and entertaining.
But duping gold really is how we played this back in the day. It's not some speed running thing.
If you guys liked this version, try listening to this cover: th-cam.com/video/f5wf3Aun434/w-d-xo.htmlsi=sJFzEXQOMmnyp1Nj
This is a very interesting commentary on the pitfalls of segmented runs in general, and especially games like this where continuity (i.e., inventory) must be preserved. I think it's important to remember what a segmented run is supposed to be: a showcase of the theoretical best time achievable by a human in a SINGLE PLAYTHROUGH. groobo's run is clearly not that, and I agree with DwangoAC's assessment that groobo did not have malicious intentions. It's more the fault of SDA for not having the foresight to write strict enough rules that would've disallowed a run like this from being accepted. But the knowledge just wasn't there at the time; people thought with enough luck you could get a run like this. One thing this showcase has proven is that a run like this in a SINGLE PLAYTHROUGH is not possible, and for that I do also agree the run should be disqualified for not meeting today's segmented run standards.
I think anyone who manipulates in game drops, maps, ability damages and version numbers via coding inputs or file manipulation outside of the game is malicious in intent and I can't think of any valid place this speed run should be published. It's basically a cheaters anthem. Segmented runs should not be alternate maps with editing back in the same gear and drops as the game continues through different maps. He kills diablo on par with what is basically Level 10 fireball with base L1+2(thinking cap) =L3, ok sure. I also really see the ring drop and frame perfect pickup from the portal being an insight into Groobo's mind, that he thinks "showing off/emote dabbing" in such a fashion elevates him over other players. I also can't speak to the teleport staff being non-legitimate, as I've seen it drop in Caves but it's HIGHLY HIGHLY likely it can't be produced as such at such a low level as gear drops have a distinct level threshold. I personally believe the only reason this presenter didn't go hard was out of fear of being sued as he probably doesn't know if this Groobo has resources like Billy Mitchell. I guess who needs the smoke?
The Puzzler drop is possible in dungeon level 9, but there's no instance of that exact level layout occurring in any of the 2 billion game seeds where that lava lord drops it. He tampered with either the rng or the monster drop
This was so easy to recognize as fake it's hilarious to think people believed it's real and real time.
It was presented as a segmented run, but a lot of the devious tricks he used that breached the rules were completely missed by a lot of people. Even with a team of people with a deep understanding of the source code, it still took weeks of working on a tool using the source code to really dig deep
@@kphoenix137Just the frames missing is ridiculous enough that makes any competition pointless. Like he made a cut whenever he wanted missing a few frames, whoops, I should make a run where I cut 99999999 frames and beat Diablo in a second!
@lukkkasz323 exactly. Also it's funny because there have been more discoveries since this video, such as the fact groobo modified the fireball damage algorithm which allowed him to kill Diablo with fewer fireballs. A +4 value was changed to +32 IIRC
Some people have too much time on their hands... And in this case, it wasn't the speedrunner :D
What a crazy world we are living in. People spend time to make crazy records, other people spend time to expose them, and i spend time to watch it in full length
Karl Jobst please make a video about this!
Oh yes please! I can see Karl talking about this!
Hello you absolute legends @phl1psen
I prefer this video to anything Karl puts out. Don’t get me wrong: Karl does some insane work and is great at what he does. He just comes across as a grifter and like he has a sense of superiority to everyone else and it’s off putting.
@@justin9744 Now tell us what flavour of icecream you don't like.
Doesn’t sound like cobain at all
Kurt + creep = masterpiece
👏🏻👏🏻
me and my mom always used to listen to creep and we always thought it was by nirvana. I just found out it was by stone temple pilots 🤗
Yeah right ha ha ha
5:07 sounds alot like kurt
Not a conspiracy theorists but they say the illuminati uses music,tv,internet etc to keep the masses dumb and controlled aka.. (brainwashed) For lack of better words the Grunge era was no fucks given. Its practically unknown and extinct nowadays! Yet look at the majority of music now 90% of it is moronic and duplicated. The same style and similar lyrics across the board!😮.....again, NOT a conspiracy theorists
I never knew it wasn't kurt to begin with.....😮
Primera canción hecha cover por Kurt resulto mejor que los Stone pilot
Forward yesterday, makes me wanna stay What they said was real, makes me wanna steal Livin' under house, guess I'm livin', I'm a mouse All's I got is time, got no meanin', just a rhyme Take time with a wounded hand 'Cause it likes to heal Take time with a wounded hand 'Cause I like to steal Take time with a wounded hand 'Cause it likes to heal, I like to steal I'm half the man I used to be (For as I feel as the dawn, it fades to gray) Well, I'm half the man I used to be (For as I feel as the dawn, it fades to gray) Well, I'm half the man I used to be (For as I feel as the dawn, it fades to gray) Well, I'm half the man I used to be Half the man I used to be Feelin' uninspired, think I'll start a fire Everybody run, Bobby's got a gun Think you're kind of neat, then she tells me I'm a creep Friends don't mean a thing, guess I'll leave it up to me Take time with a wounded hand 'Cause it likes to heal Take time with a wounded hand Guess I like to steal Take time with a wounded hand 'Cause it likes to heal, I like to steal I'm half the man I used to be (For as I feel as the dawn, it fades to gray) Well, I'm half the man I used to be (For as I feel as the dawn, it fades to gray) Well, I'm half the man I used to be (For as I feel as the dawn, it fades to gray) Well, I'm half the man I used to be Half the man I used to be Take time with a wounded hand 'Cause it likes to heal Take time with a wounded hand Guess I like to steal Take time with a wounded hand 'Cause it likes to heal, I like to steal I'm half the man I used to be (For as I feel as the dawn, it fades to gray) Well, I'm half the man I used to be (For as I feel as the dawn, it fades to gray) Well, I'm half the man I used to be (For as I feel as the dawn, it fades to gray) Well, I'm half the man I used to be Half the man I used to be Half the man I used to be
WE ARE FUCKERS
Sounds way better without that drummer guy
They should've made the backing vocals Dave Grohl
this would be a better nirvana song then stp song
coming back to this after one more time struck me in the feels.. now the lyrics are coming full circle... "I've been here before a few times And I'm quite aware we're dying And your hands, they shake with goodbyes And I'll take you back if you'd have me So here I am, I'm trying So here I am, are you ready? Come on let me hold you Touch you, feel you, always Kiss you, taste you all night, always And I'll miss your laugh, your smile I'll admit I'm wrong if you'd tell me I'm so sick of fights, I hate them Let's start this again, for real"
people pick sides but the two together is where the magic happens. fck matt P.S "Everything's Magic" 😉
Feel me now❤
Are you still working on your Super Mario World Remastered project ?
> portal to level 15 imagine that for real tho
😅
Very neat way to conclude the game than before, though...I wished he was a unique monster and drops some gear like a unique by chance.
Now THAT is really nice to see, it's something that I always want to see when all of the cut quests re-created in DevilutionX, considering I've seen it from Belzebub mod a long time ago. That being said, you are planning to restore all of the other cut quests someday?
Yes, I'm restoring the cut quests for my devx mod lord of terror
How is that going by the way? It has been a while ever since I made a discussion about getting started with DevilutionX modding at their github site. I couldn't get into it for the time as I lacked a certain goal nor direction which I slowly gathered upon overtime.
When I first heard this song I actually thought this was Kurt! 😂
we all did ahhaa
Starts bobbing head