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Bert Van A
เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 11 มิ.ย. 2013
Lyon, France
Mostly electronic music
Idm, dub, minimal techno, house …
Modular a synth and other hardware gear
Ableton live 12 nerd
Mostly electronic music
Idm, dub, minimal techno, house …
Modular a synth and other hardware gear
Ableton live 12 nerd
Ambient / idm eurorack jam with BIA, beads, plaits and more …
0-ctrl sequencing Basimilus iteritas alter and clocked by Pam’s pro
BIA goes into beads modulated by planar2
Then goes into desmodus versio
Plaits in kick mode triggered by Steppy then goes into mimeophon tweaked manually
Bela gliss slide position controlling Pam’s probability level and touch controlling desmodus size input
Hope you enjoy 😉
#eurorack #idm #modularsynth #abletonlive12 #ambient #jam
BIA goes into beads modulated by planar2
Then goes into desmodus versio
Plaits in kick mode triggered by Steppy then goes into mimeophon tweaked manually
Bela gliss slide position controlling Pam’s probability level and touch controlling desmodus size input
Hope you enjoy 😉
#eurorack #idm #modularsynth #abletonlive12 #ambient #jam
มุมมอง: 45
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Eurorack jungle jam with morphagene, plaits, BIA and more…
มุมมอง 8819 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา
Looping sequence from plaits with sidechain compression from BIA via 2hp comp Plaits sequenced by Pam’s pro workout and controlled via planar2 (out of frame 😫) then going into mimeophon Kick from BIA triggered via Pam’s pro workout Euclidean rythm going into shakmat dual dagger filter then beads modulated by harlequins context Drum break sliced and drumbussed in ableton then played via morphage...
Eurorack + ciat lonbarde Tetrax + ableton idm jam
มุมมอง 9614 วันที่ผ่านมา
#eurorack #ciatlonbarde #tetrax #abletonlive12 #idm #jam Programmed a beat in ableton using some @mrnedrush technique to randomize sounds and beats Paired with another resonant beat on the #modularsynth with @noiseeng #basimilusiteritasalter going into @twohpmodular #combfilter modulated by @intellijel #intellijelplanar2 and into @makenoisemusic #mimeophon and #morphagene (I sampled a few bars ...
Eurorack + TR06 idm jam with ruina versio, planar2, plonk and more…
มุมมอง 3614 วันที่ผ่านมา
Still exploring @noiseeng #versioplatform with #ruinaversio Here I’m sequencing @intellijel #plonk from @roland.fra #rolandtr606 accent cv output and obliterating it with RV. Controlling almost all parameters with #planar2 and going into @makenoisemusic #mimeophon with planar’s gate output triggering an envelope from maths to quickly modulate zone . On the TR06 using the dj filter od type and t...
Eurorack + TR-06 tech house jam
มุมมอง 13621 วันที่ผ่านมา
#eurorack #modularsynth #housemusic #microhousemusic #jam #makenoisemaths as a vco into desmodus versio flashed into ampla versio (vca/lpg) into mimeophon = great bass sound ! TR-06 for the beat trigger output #intellijelplanar2 and #harlequinscontext for modulations #qubitbloom for sequencing
Ambient eurorack + TR-06 jam with plaits, beads, planar2 and more …
มุมมอง 7421 วันที่ผ่านมา
Granular/ comb filter overdose (if such a thing exists 😋) Sequenced a theme with qubit bloom and plaits going into beads and electus versio (desmodus flashed) I’m playing beads and some plaits parameters with planar2… granular/comb filter madness, a little movement on the joystick creates instant feedback, grains reshaping the sound … Bela gliss 1u also modulating plaits for movement and FM And...
Eurorack idm / jungle jam with morphagene, plaits, desmodus versio and more…
มุมมอง 2321 วันที่ผ่านมา
Chopped the amen break to play it with #morphagene @makenoisemusic triggered and randomized by @busycircuits #pamelasproworkout into #mimeophon Also used @intellijel #planar2 to #beatrepeat it triggering @twohpmodular #2hpslice (but since I’m so bad at filming it’s out of frame 😅) Used #makenoisemaths as an #enveloppefollower to from the breakbeat to trigger #mutableinstrumentsplaits , modulate...
Eurorack + TR-06 dub jam… that ends up in an ambient drone
มุมมอง 16728 วันที่ผ่านมา
#dub #eurorack jam that ends up in a #dronemusic finale Really love the @rolandglobal #tr06 for its great sound, cv outputs, ease of use, and fantastic #combfilter ! 🤩 Here I’m using the accent cv output to trigger a chord in #mutableinstrumentsplaits I use another Tom cv output to clock @qubitelectronix #qubitbloom that modulate the chord and sequences a simple #bassline in @noiseeng #basimilu...
Eurorack idm / acid bass jam
มุมมอง 5428 วันที่ผ่านมา
Gnarly #bass sounds and chaotic #kickdrum controlled by @intellijel #planar2 modulating looping enveloppe from #makenoisemaths and trigger probability in @busycircuits #pamelasproworkout into @noiseeng #basimilusiteritasalter on the fly #sampling with morphagene #reverbs and #delayfx from #desmodusversio and #mimeophon #eurorack #idm #modularsynth #abletonlive12 #ambient #jam #sounddesign #soun...
Drumnbass eurorack jam with morphagene, plaits, and more
มุมมอง 81หลายเดือนก่อน
Chopped #blackbyrds break in #abletonlive12 to play it with @makenoisemusic #morphagene sequence by @busycircuits #pamelasproworkout and @qubitelectronix #bloomfractalsequencer and processed through #mutableinstrumentsbeads controlled by @intellijel #planar2 A soft kick from @noiseeng #basimilusiteritasalter added to a sort of #bassline with #mutableinstrumentsplaits modulated by @shakmatmod #h...
Ambient / jungle eurorack jam with distingmk4, plaits, planar2, and more
มุมมอง 22หลายเดือนก่อน
Playing the breakbeat with disting I5 algo Controlling the sample changing with harlequins context and the tape speed with gliss This goes into beads modulated with planar Bloom sequences plaits in arpeggios mode, into mimeophon also both modulated by planar Enjoy 😊 #eurorack #modularsynth #ambient #idm #breakbeat #drumnbass #junglemusic #intellijelplanar2 #distingmk4 #mutableinstrumentsbeads #...
Techno / idm eurorack jam with morphagene, BIA and more
มุมมอง 111หลายเดือนก่อน
Here’s a 160 bpm tech-y idm-y jam using #samples I made in #abletonlive12 into #morphagene modulated and sequenced with #pamelasproworkout and #makennoise0ctrl #makenoisemaths and #intellijelvca then going into #mimeophon Kick from #steppy1u #basimilusiteritasalter through #dualdagger #makenoisestrega Additional modulation by #gliss #harlequinscontext and #makenoisemaths and #strega #eurorack #...
Ambient / idm eurorack jam using samples made in ableton live 12
มุมมอง 54หลายเดือนก่อน
Ambient / idm eurorack jam using samples made in ableton live 12
Experimental granular jam with morphagene and more
มุมมอง 25หลายเดือนก่อน
Experimental granular jam with morphagene and more
Breathing machine : Ambient textural eurorack jam
มุมมอง 58หลายเดือนก่อน
Breathing machine : Ambient textural eurorack jam
Glitchy house eurorack jam with 0-ctrl, Plaits, desmodus versio and more
มุมมอง 105หลายเดือนก่อน
Glitchy house eurorack jam with 0-ctrl, Plaits, desmodus versio and more
Glitch idm eurorack jam with 2hp slice and freez + Plaits, desmodus versio and more
มุมมอง 492 หลายเดือนก่อน
Glitch idm eurorack jam with 2hp slice and freez Plaits, desmodus versio and more
Eurorack electronica jam with harlequins context and plaits + squid salmple and more
มุมมอง 912 หลายเดือนก่อน
Eurorack electronica jam with harlequins context and plaits squid salmple and more
From acid bass to granular chaos : melotus versio exploration
มุมมอง 502 หลายเดือนก่อน
From acid bass to granular chaos : melotus versio exploration
Minimal idm jam with digitone and BIA + desmodus versio
มุมมอง 702 หลายเดือนก่อน
Minimal idm jam with digitone and BIA desmodus versio
Techno / house jam with digitone and eurorack
มุมมอง 872 หลายเดือนก่อน
Techno / house jam with digitone and eurorack
Ambient jam with digitone and plaits + desmodus versio drone
มุมมอง 692 หลายเดือนก่อน
Ambient jam with digitone and plaits desmodus versio drone
Eurorack ambient dub jam with plaits, mosaic vco, dual dagger, mimeophon, desmodus versio and more
มุมมอง 802 หลายเดือนก่อน
Eurorack ambient dub jam with plaits, mosaic vco, dual dagger, mimeophon, desmodus versio and more
Eurorack idm drumnbass jam with squid salmple 2hp slice harlequins context BIA desmodus versio
มุมมอง 522 หลายเดือนก่อน
Eurorack idm drumnbass jam with squid salmple 2hp slice harlequins context BIA desmodus versio
Ambient jam with ciat lonbarde Tetrax + eurorack
มุมมอง 493 หลายเดือนก่อน
Ambient jam with ciat lonbarde Tetrax eurorack
Microhouse eurorack jam with, maths, dual dagger, desmodus versio, squid salmple, mimeophon and more
มุมมอง 853 หลายเดือนก่อน
Microhouse eurorack jam with, maths, dual dagger, desmodus versio, squid salmple, mimeophon and more
Are you playing the jungle beat with the morphagene, I have one but have no idea how to achieve this
Hey thanks for the sub ! Yes, the jungle beat comes from morphagene, with 2hp slice for the beat repeats (important ingredient too...) I explored quite a bit to achieve this ! I'm actually using the same process i'd use in ableton live, it's a matter of chopping the break at the right size and triggering it at the right time, and randomizing the splice. Maybe i could make a video about that... 🤷♀
@bertrandvanasch Thanks for the answer, now I understand better. I did not know about the 2hp slice module because I have not heard of it before. Very smart way to achieve it. Keep going, great work✌️
I absolutely love this beat. How you come in on the off beat and then bring in the jungle. All the glitches and tones are sick. I love this jam. When I need some motivation I’m hittin up this beat.
@@Lk747CC oh thank you so much !! This means a lot 🙏🏽😊. I think the quality of the break sample plays a huge role, and I just had fun and happy accidents with the rest … very glad you dig it !
Love it 👏 this one is really great! Almost hypnotic - one can get really lost in it !! Well done 👍
Thanks so much man ! Glad you as well find it nice to get lost in, that means a lot ! 🙏
4:20 so freakin funky 🔥 👽 ✨️
Thank you 🙏🏽 !! Glad you dig this 😊🫡
Great stuff 👏
@@ondraJams thanks a lot ! 🙏🏽😊
Sick
Thank youuu 🙏🏽🫡
Amazing stuff as always. Love it when you go into sample mode around 03:15 - deconstructing the beat!
Thank you so much Paul 😊. It’s been a while since I’ve « cheated » mixing ableton and modular beats … but this patch was already so busy cable wise that I figure it was the only way 😅! It started with just a 4 on the floor but then I thought … well, I can spice things up and just lower the probabilities to make space. And well it kinda worked !
super analog mood
🙏🏽thank you ! 😊
I have tip top mantis and tr09...I love experimental...
@ that’s great man ! 🫡😊
You're so good at these beats, man!!! Nailed it again! 🤩
Oh thank you man ! Well probabilitiy is my best friend 😂 ! And here the distortion and also mimeophon’s resonance plays a huge part in the sound …
Love the way you use Planar to interact with the whole system - it is such joy to be able to play the modular by hand right? :)
You're totally right ! It is indeed a great joy ! once you identify the right inputs to play with... then it's really fun, with a great deal of exploration of course, happy accidents and so on... :D . Thanks a lot for the kind words
😎👍
thanks a lot ! 🙏
You've nailed this one 🔥🔥🔥 Loving that beat drop at 1:55.. and great use of delay in there too, man!
thank you Paul ! i used the the OD type "dj filter" on the TR06, which allows to smoothly turn off the beat ... very cool machine !
Feels like listening to some electro-dub in a wormhole. Love it! :)
hahaha ! Thanks man ! it's funny i didn't think about it as a dub jam, but i realize you're right it has that vibe. The wormhole is my special touch 😂
Sounds great!
Thank you !! 🙏🏽
Great vibes 👍 and the transiotion Dub -> Drones is 👌👌👌
@@ondraJams thank you so much for listening to it all !! I appreciate that 🙏🏽🫡
Absolutely love this! Amazing down-tempo 2step vibes... So so so good! (I used to really want a 606 before my modular adventure... now I'm wanting one again)
Aww man thank you ! Coming from you, whose sound and touch I admire, especially in dub style, this means a lot ! 🙏🏽☺️ I absolutely love this TR-06, I’ve not been able to compare it to the og 606 but from what I’ve heard it’s very close; and the connectivity is great, as well as the workflow (needs a bit of reading the manual of course) and … the sound is sooo good ! + the comb filter is pretty insane on this thing too ! 🤩
This is great! 🤩 Nice use of the the Planar to control triggers - love how that combines with the envelope modulation, too!
Thank you ! Yeah with 6 outputs you can combine it with a lot of stuff … then trying to chose which axis is the most appropriate 😅 It’s fun I’m experimenting a lot ! Maybe should try to make more listenable jams 😅😂
@@bertrandvanasch Ha! I find them very listenable!
@@yassokiiba that makes us 2 weirdos 😂
Very nice... loving the contrast between those softer melodic sounds and the harsher beat
Man thank you so much, didn't see your comment until now ! Cheers !
There's an almost harpsichord feel to the melodic voice... nice and calm. And then that chaotic phasing beat clattering along underneath it... nice one!
Thanks 🙏🏽 a lot Paul ! Yeah the contrast between the 2 is interesting, the sort of arpeggio is done by plaits itself, it’s in one of the last algo, discovered it in this patch 😅 ! About the breakbeat, I eventually managed to play them (though not in this video) exactly like I would in ableton, via morphagene, after chopping them up in ableton…
Amazing beat! Love the work with Planar 👍 Did you chopped / spliced the beat entirely in ableton? Can it be used for the markers / splices too for Morphagene?
Hey thank you very much ! Oh planar is so much fun … it’s ridiculous ! Indeed I chopped them all in ableton, and then used this fantastic website www.lorenzostanco.com/lab/morphagene/ It makes one reel with all files glued together with markers . Ableton doesn’t put markers afaik, but otherwise there is ocenaudio that can do that. But check this site it’s amazing, also allows to easily change options file, and has a list of shortcuts … The guy who did this is active on the make noise Reddit sub, such a cool dude !
😎👍 nice
Thank you man 🙏🏽😊 , exploring the new rack and the addition of planar 😅
Love it 👍
Thank you 🙏🏽 man !!
Very nice! Love how at the start the rhythm basically feels scattered and random, but reveals itself at times through little moments and phrases. Then the more regular kicks and hats come it - Great stuff!
Thanks a lot Paul ! Yeah there is a sort of polyrhythmic pattern between the eight steps of 0-ctrl and the random clock looping in Pam’s that makes it weird to grasp (no mentioning the chaotic sounds of course 😅). I got lost in the jam and it’s far too long… but we’ll, you know 😂.
@@bertrandvanasch haha! Getting lost in those complex rhythms is the whole point :)
Really nice one 👍 i love textures you create with morphagene, well done!
Thank you very much 😊 , yeah depending on what you feed it it can really goes to unexpected places !
Beautiful and almost haunting... you've created such a beautiful soundscape here. Amazing stuff!
Thank you so much Paul ! so happy you like it :) . it's a lot of work ahead of the patch to prepare the samples, though very interesting ! It seems that each sampler needs a different kind of sound format 😅 regarding bitrate, frequency etc... ! i was very surprised by the distingmk4 capabilities : the fact that you can change sample in time with a sort of "legato" way is veeeery handy with drum loops (if they're made the right way ==> the ned rush way is perfect) . Also that morphagene tools website, is amazing, i'll dm it to you if you want. Cheers man (have to catch up on your jams too)
@bertrandvanasch Yeah that's the problem with samples and why, more often than not, I just end up recording straight into my samplers. Worth the effort though!
@@yassokiiba yeah sure that’s another way, though regarding the disting… not sure that can be done. But indeed worth the effort esp when the samples need to be meticulously the same length and also because ableton can be so efficient and easy to create variations on a theme …
Loving these glitchy textures!
Oh thank you man ! Yeah me too, I’d bathe in these for hours 😂
@@bertrandvanasch haha don't blame you if you do :)
@@yassokiiba actually I do 😂
@@bertrandvanasch 😆
Morphagene is so weird. I love it.
Thank you man ! Yeah, such a fun and deep instrument …. Loving it right now 😊
Потойбічне звучання
Thank you 🙏🏽 😊
would love if you shared this reel
@@shawnc4957 what do you mean ?
@@bertrandvanasch the morphagene reel off the sd card
@@shawnc4957 oh right 😅 sorry I deleted it… actually my process is inspired by one of the official make noise videos : creating a sequence (here with plaits and 0-ctrl) and sampling on the fly various iterations of it. Then totally deconstruct it by modulating size, slide and organize … but indeed I should share the reels on freesound. (I just forget about it !) cheers 👊🏽🙏🏽
Wow, this is heavy!! Great work With Morphagene 👍
@@ondraJams thanks a lot !! Yeah I’m diving into morphagene again lately! So deep 😵💫
Imma sample this!
Sure man be my guest ! Glad you dig it 🙏🏽👊🏽
This one is great, Bertrand. So many interesting textures and all arranged in a sort of push-and-pull tension... elastic metal!!!! It does feel like a machine breathing
@@yassokiiba thank you so much Paul ! Yeah that tension created by the kick which moves a bit tempo wise, plus the dicking revere on desmodus mixed with those granulated samples felt good to bathe in ! 😂 I was missing morphagene and I’m glad I put it back on the system ! The breathing machine thing came to mind after reading what you wrote on IG… thanks again 🙏🏽👊🏽
@@bertrandvanasch Morphagene is great isn't it. Sometimes I won't patch it for a while, but when I do it's always so much fun
@@yassokiiba it really is ! Such a powerful sound manipulating tool… you have to be careful with the reels, splices, and markers though . Still exploring the various options differences too…
@@bertrandvanasch It's so deep and I feel like I rarely scratch the surface of what it's capable of
Very nice! Quite an abstract vibe to this one, which I love!
Thanks you Paul ! Abstract indeed, I had much fun with this one, interacting with the patch. Btw, I just ordered a « gliss » module, don’t know if you’ve heard about, seems nice to interact with modulations and loop sort of « hand drawn » lfos… 😋.
@@bertrandvanasch I've seen those gliss modules, yes.. and I've been intrigued. Interested to see how you get on with it! :)
Cool 👍
Thank you 🙏🏽 😊
Killer jam! 🔥 Love all the chaos and various sounds you've worked into it... while keeping it all cohesive. Veeery nice indeed. And you've reminded me that I don't modulate probability on Pam's enough these days
@@yassokiiba thanks man ! You know what it’s the first time I try this ! And it’s very interesting. Have to dig this further, I’m still unsure about the attenuation and offset on cv input but I guess they help setting some lower and upper limits. (Too low probability can end up in silence 😅) And this combined to the re seeding trick (you must have seen this one in their video ?) is a nice way to be generative and keep a bit of cohesion as you pointed out.
Glitchy paradise :) nice!
@@ondraJams thanks a lot man ! I appreciate that a lot. 🙏🏽👊🏽
Very nice minimal groove, with lovely contrast between the textures - like those smooth ambient pads and the more crispy almost white noise elements.
Thanks a lot Paul ! It was a fun one Experimented with harlequin sequencing capabilities… and the pads/chords were a last minute idea, quite inspired by your work 😉
@@bertrandvanasch Oh, that's quite a compliment, as they sound great.. they don't sound last minute at all.
@@yassokiiba the filtering is a bit random but the concept of those chill chords (2 of them 😂) was infused in my subconscious with your great jams for sure
@@bertrandvanasch Haha! A bit of random filtering is a good thing!
Love the vibe, almost a chill, pleasant, nice 👍
@@ondraJams thanks so much man ! Yeah, that’s what came to mind too, a chill jam. I’m glad you dig it 🙏🏽👊🏽🖤
nice and sludgy
yes sludgy indeed, i quite struggled to dial in modulations on the Melotus versio... i love granular for the sake of how it sounds, but in a track or jam format it's pretty challenging to use it without being too much ! Anyway, here, it is clearly too much 😅 but i might explore this a bit further in the future. It took me quite some time to find beads' sweet spots, and it might be the same with MV too. Cheers and thaks for your comment as always ! 🙏
Oooooh yes! This one has the funk! Stunner! One of my favourites of yours and I want it on vinyl
Those sort of UKG fills are 🔥🔥🔥
hahaha man that's so nice ! i'm really glad you dig it. Maybe i could put this one on bandcamp indeed. your support means a lot Paul ! thanks again 🙏
Nice one 👍
Thank you for listening ! Glad you dig it 👊🏽🙏🏽🖤
Nice 👍
Thank you 🙏🏽 😊
Wooow, part 1&2 - both ar great and the transition from 1 to 2 is soooo cool 👍
Thanks so much man !! Glad you enjoyed it and thank you for listening ! 🙏🏽👊🏽🖤
I liked the first 45 seconds!!! 😉And obviously everything after. The beats are really nicely produced with loads of interesting effects used carefully to keep it a compelling listen. Love that bit starting from around 1:30 especially when you deconstruct the beat a little
Hahaha 😂 thank you so much Paul ! Yeah you see how i am SO afraid to lose my 3.5 viewers 🤣 🤦🏻♂️ It was a fun one ! At first I wasn’t sure I could blend the 2 themes but I really liked them both 😅! And yeah at the time stamp you mentioned I start modulating harmonics on plaits, and it totally changes the beat, and then I can manually set the level of the lfo via maths, morphing those sounds some more. Really glad you like it 😊 Cheers ! 👊🏽🖤🙏🏽
Vtipné, líbí se mi to
Thanks a lot ✌🙏
Modular vibes
@@MrFabiusynth thank you for listening ! 🙏🏽👊🏽
This is immense! I love your use of effects a lot... you've worked really hard in that and really developed your style so well. It sounds like you're in complete control of what you're doing there. I'm loving the tightness on the melody too. That filter on the lead is perfect - great tempo too.. a proper head nodder!
That's very very much appreciated, thank you Paul ! Well, let's say here things are quite simple, so easier to control 😅, and i wanted to keep the whole thing smooth in a dub style vibe, and not let things go too crazy fx-wise so i was watching this (desmodus versio can go veeeeery wild, as well as the fx section in the TR06) yeah i'm starting to really enjoy making those filtered bass or lead lines, i love that little analog VCO ! Plus i'm totally tunnel visionning on things like FX... can spend so much time tweaking knobs to catch a hold of how the thing works ! (as you do 😂) And still inspired by your way of letting sounds breathe 👊 Tbh, i think here the melody + chords is a bit too repetitive but... anyway, i had fun doing it ! (didn't take a chance to let bloom go random, to avoid being on wrong notes vs the chords...harmony and modular synth is sometimes challenging ! )
Man, you're getting so good at this. This one is outstanding - the complex rhythms, sound design, everything. Nice one. What's doing the delay? Mimeophon doesn't look patched?
@@yassokiiba oh man thank you so much 🙏🏽🙏🏽 . This one took me some time to achieve because I was looking desperately to find a way to modulate the delay time on digitone, and didn’t find it. Instead I ended up modulating almost everything else from ableton which is pretty cool too ! And indeed no mimeophon here, the delay is inside digitone, and on the modular it’s desmodus versio doing the sort of ducked swells of reverb or fast delays. Cheers man 🖤🙏🏽👊🏽
Also one fun trick I discovered is to random modulate math cycle input (like looping the enveloppe) to create ratchets or irregularities in rythm applied to a quite steady beat. Very cool 😉 Edit : I finally found how to modulate every parameter in digitone from ableton … this should be fun !
So cool !
@@Enliamusic thank you 🙏🏽 !!
@@bertrandvanasch Ooooh Lyon ! Mais de rien 😄
@@Enliamusic hahaha Mais oui on peut se parler français 😝 ! Grand merci pour ton commentaire 🙏🏽
Great beat, Bertrand! Love all those interesting sounds you've worked so well into the beat and how it develops across the jam. That sort of bass melody is a nice touch too
@@yassokiiba thanks a lot Paul ! Yeah on this jam it’s just one track on digitone mixing an arpegiatted beat with parameter locked sounds. But I’m still exploring this instrument and there are plenty of ways to use it… it’s deep ! And yes for the BIA, it was initially another beat but I eventually decided to cv pitch it and decrease the probability and it became a « sort of bass line » indeed 😂 , or just a mn excuse to use desmodus versio’s crazy tails of reverberating sounds !