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yeah, a bit less speed for hitting, a bit less sensitive to spin - but don't think it would be too different

Sorry Sergio, this isn't something I really tried - not really part of my game

Full equipment is in description, but they're Palio CK531A with 1.0mm (ish) sponge

Yes mate - I got it from tt-japan.net They're super reliable and reasonably priced

thanks dude

@@duncanwraight 👍

thanks man. I've struggled with wrist tension my whole TT "career". it's more loose now than it ever has been, but once I mold this technique further, I'm definitely going to focus on getting that wrist as loose as possible

yeah it's something we've spoken about on the OOAK Discord for a few months now it's a good all round rubber. less effective at chopping than P1V, but better over the table ... and very cheap

@@duncanwraight Thanks for sharing this information, also so useful

Hi mate. I've never used Impartial XB but I can't imagine it being as good as Illusion SP. I'd strongly recommend the latter if you want to play a proper chopping game

Do you know the effect would be if I go for 1.2 sponge thickness

thanks dude, very kind :) I absolutely love the 08x if I'm honest. I bought it on a whim because some of the guys in our Discord are using it... but it's awesome. it's even a FL handle, and I don't care! previously I've used BTY Innershield, BTY JSH, Victas Koji Matsushita ZC and VKMO... and 08x is my favourite of the lot it's faster than Innershield and ZC, not as fast as JSH/VKMO but plenty of control it does seem to give my rubbers - both sides - a bit of a higher throw, which has needed some adaptation, but it's the perfect balance of control and speed for me. plus it's significantly lighter than JSH/VKMO (or at least mine is - apparently they can be quite variable in weight) doesn't sound "hollow" like the Innershield and a lot of other defensive blades, which I really dislike

@@duncanwraight Awesome man thank you very much for this explanation, I've use VKMO and JSH, but my favorite currently is Yasaka Masamune, which I got as I gift from Japan, and it's also a great blade, and amazing handle design on the ST, but I definitely want to try 08x, thanks man, means a lot!

@@TimeForGamers never used the Masamune but I've heard good things about it. Good luck with whatever you choose!

Thanks man!@@duncanwraight

@@duncanwraight what weight 08x do you have?

Thanks for commenting. Curl P1 (either TSP P1-R or recently Victas P1V) has been my go to backhand rubber for 90% of my career. Everything else has changed - that very little. It's the best chopping rubber by a significant distance in my opinion - phenomenal

Thanks. I'm a modern defender that has chopped and changed a bit with long pips. I could see how well you returned the spinny loops and how tricky it was to re-loop the chops. A good technique and a setup you've stuck with by the looks of it.

@@GrayAngus thanks! What do you use? We have a Discord community full of defenders, LP/SP players (and a few orthodox attackers) if you'd like to join us. Loads of chat about equipment: discord.com/invite/VCBfS4kkyG

cheers GB, great stuff

hi mate. I'd love to, but I would have to buy the 1.8mm version - and I wouldn't ever use it. I suspect 1.8mm will be a bit more spinny, a bit faster, and a bit harder to control. for an amateur chopper, I'd recommend 1.5mm. if you attack regularly with the SPs, then maybe the 1.8mm

Equipment details in the description pal 🙂

Thanks pal, that's all really helpful stuff. Since this video I've gotten my FH chop to a point where it's passable - but still not good. I noticed that my bat angles were crazy, eg bat was often pointing almost at the ceiling as I initiated the chop. I've rectified that now so I can at least get the ball on the table, but I definitely need/want more spin. Ideally I'd like to get to a point where I can vary the spin significantly - get some coming back floaty and some really heavy. I'll have a go at all of your suggestions in my next training session.

Eeep, I meant "Can really load the ball with BACKspin on point number 4 lol. I'm glad to hear it's gotten better, good luck in your practice! @@duncanwraight

wow these are some really good tips that I will try to think about as well, thanks!

Yeah I definitely don't in drills because I'm specifically trying to practice my pushing with the pips In matches though I do. I'll return serve with inverted against some players/serves, and often twiddle during a chopping rally to keep the spin on I probably don't use it well enough though - should actually use pips in the chopping rallies to vary the spin and cause opponents issues, but find it a lot less consistent than an inverted push. At other times, I should use the inverted to make opponents' 3rd ball attacks less powerful Improvement on decision-making would be helpful here!

Yeah the venue isn't huge that's for sure. Check my match against Phil Suetterlin from the same day - some chops where I could definitely do with another metre or so.

thanks pal. just seen your content - really good. gonna watch some more later. I've got a young family so can't really do weekends away at the moment, but I'll be hoping to do some VETTS stuff in a couple years and I'd love to do SBL again if you use Discord at all, I'm part of a TT server dedicated (mostly) to LP/SP type gameplay. some great players on there discussing pips & chopping gameplay etc. here's the invite link: discord.gg/kksByGkWHF

@@duncanwraight sounds good, cheers. I’ll give that a look and get involved over the next few days for sure

Probably the Illusion SP There is always a trade off - the best pips for attacking won't be the best pips for chopping and vice versa The Illusion SP is a great all rounder

Thanks

Hi again. It's average for attacking. Not as fast or floaty as Spectol, but capable of generating some topspin In my experience SP chops from close to the table will typically be low-spin because you don't have time to get enough contact on the ball. I didn't really test this with Illusion SP

For amateurs I think Illusion SP is better. It's such a good all-rounder. Good spin, reasonably insensitive to spin, great control. Spectol may be better for elite SP choppers

Hi mate. Thank you! I don't know where ships to India, but I know that WRM from Japan ship pretty much all over the globe - check them out using Google Translate rubber.ocnk.net/

Is it safe and genuine

@@arnavanand912 it is yeah - search TH-cam for WRM TT and you'll see tonnes of professional content from them. It was them who inspired me to buy the Illusion SP in the first place

Thanks a lot brother you got a sub

I think Illusion is the best SP for chopping - ahead of Spectol which I've used extensively, or D3 (I've used its old version TSP Super SpinPips Chop Sponge 2) It generates more spin than Spectol, but less than D3 It's more sensitive to spin than Spectol but less than D3 It's just a very good all rounder. I find it the easiest SP to chop with Spectol perhaps better if you're an elite level modern defender, but certainly not for amateurs

@@duncanwraight awesome, thank you very much, means a lot

Thanks 🙂

@@duncanwraight Thanks to you for sharing the content all this time. Here a new subscriber

@@diegox.longpips thanks dude, nice to have you

The player at far side of table (me) Red backhand is long pips (Curl) Blue backhand is short pips (Illusion SP)

@@duncanwraight thanks for answering

it's the best chopping short pip I've ever used. I found it genuinely quite easy to chop with. most SPs that are easy to chop with don't generate a lot of backspin on chops, but this does. it's not a fast pip, so not great for attacking, but it can still be used to block and punch like most SPs for a SP chopper, I'd give it a solid 9 out of 10 for any other form of SP play, there are better options

Hi mate. I bought it from Contra in Germany. I'm in the UK

exactly... i'm having mine shipped and its taking forever to get the US

Duncan.....what sponge thickness on the SP?

@@davidquinlan2139 hi David. all my equipment is listed in description - but it's 1.5mm on the Illusion SP I was using in this video

@@duncanwraight thanks.....sorry, really clear !

You being sarcy? It's The Dome!

Didn’t recognise it !!! TV on wall ??

@@nedad17 yup! never seen it on, but it has always been there on that top table

If you use Discord, I posted a fairly extensive review on the OOAK server: discord.gg/Yw2hYUdz3g

Thanks Pippo. Full list of equipment can be found in the description

Literally in my shed, yeah

It would be hard to do - the camera picks up more background noise than it does the coach's voice. We're working primarily on 1) staying low with a wider stance, 2) quicker thought - e.g. play a shot then immediately move into a new position or at least be ready to do so. For this session, I asked the coach if we could work on 1) BH chopping/pushing consistency, 2) FH against topspin/popups and 3) Receiving third ball attack on my FH

Hi Baker. I'm the trainee defender in these videos. You can see a list of my equipment in the video description

What part of the video are you referring to? Do you have a timestamp? Typically, no, you wouldn't see a modern defender do this, but I can't remember doing this in the video. If I did, it's probably because I got confused and played the wrong stroke as part of a different drill

This was Friday... I played in the league the following Monday and played terribly 😂But it was my first match back with the LPs, and I'd only had this 1h30m practice since using SPs, so I wasn't expecting much

Aye the highlights don't really give the full picture, but in the first 5 ends I tried to exclusively chop and push. I then did a couple of "mixed" ends, and the last ~4 were almost full-out attack. I can't attack with the SPs well at all, made a lot of mistakes trying to do that, but the pushing and chopping has impressed me.

@@duncanwraight you had a couple of nice active shots with them though. Maybe it's just about picking and choosing more carefully. You will get there for sure, especially seeing as you still play so well with little to no playing time for so long 🔥

Dave is great at controlling pace and direction in a rally, he's renowned for it. He was one of the best players in our league, if not the best, when his knees worked!

@@duncanwraight is this him playing with bad knees?

@@ndragon88 yeah by this point he's practically crippled lol