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hate to break it to you, but all the hector parties have been doing just this. this is nothing new

This tier was my first time raiding and I would definitely agree that M1S felt like a good introduction to it. For me, playing around markers for things like clockspots, light-party/pair stacks, and for visualizing things like the clone movement was what took the most getting used to. Since in normal content you can basically just stand anywhere you like and hope for the best. I think this fight did a good job getting me used to that sort of more strict positioning while still allowing enough wiggle room. If anything I was almost expecting more complexity in certain mechanics compared to normal mode. Like the platforms gradually getting shattered during Mouser was surprisingly simple to avoid with only two patterns to observe. As well as Pounce definitely feeling kind of tacked on at the end.

needs more me

who didnt do this tho lol

This seems so convoluted. Wouldn’t it be simpler to just think of it as “good pattern” baits off marker and “cursed pattern” baits on marker. At least thats how i think of the mechanic and everything just naturally resolves by itself Like you said, You don’t trust pf to know where to stand yet you trust them to memorize what is essentially 8 different movements for the 2 different patterns? That’s kinda crazy way of thinking ngl 😂

Emerged? This is a week 1 strat.

Ahh yes as the jp calls it, nuke strat.

Ah yes, a 91 sub channel wants more engagement by mentioning hector rather than str8 up teach it. Optimize strat evolve over time no need to put someone down for attention, a**hole.

Hectors strats are generally simpler... for idiots.. and always not that great.

JP players lowkey been doing this from week 1

it's a matter of identifying the patterns and then executing them automatically. Essentially it's still "Hector's Witch Hunt", you're solving the same order. It's a good video for people who didn't understand the pattern. But in PF I don't really like the idea of ​​being between bait far away and bait close up without need. It is easier for deaths to occur due to inaccurate positioning (which wouldn't be a problem if the rest of the party was doing the mechanic normally) of the person responsible for the bait.

EXCELLENT STRAT WILL USE IMMEDIATELY (1)

i hear there was a super cute chatter in chat during this pull :)

As a boomer and a doomer this video was a great watch. There's so much reductive argumentation when discussing raids and jobs in this game, it's nice to see someone outline and appreciate what's there, and also what there could be. I took a long-ass break from the game after finishing 6.0 so it was really cool to see the return of the T12 bennu's. I need to go back and play those raids; it's not like our jobs are all that different. :')

great list but wish there was e9s

If anything, O1S will forever be remembered rather infamously because a certain streamer asking "WHERE WERE THE EELS?!"

i am a very simple person i see Ratfinx Twinkledinks i like

It's interesting because I feel that UWU titan jails would be easier if they put actual debuffs on players. The party list could then be the priority list. I also felt the fan method is a little unfair because the preceding mech (knockback) has such a small space for the group to be.

im only in this video twice?? fix pls

I really disliked that video and it never made sense to me. There are a LOT of games, even single player that could be boiled down to that mentality of “stand and let thing resolve”. Bosses in Mega Man, Castlevania, Donkey Kong Country. Boss does a telegraphed attack, you dodge and get out of the thing while maintaining uptime on the boss. But in an MMO that uptime involves more buttons and and understanding of those buttons. Plus, as you said, it’s more involved with things like healing, mitigation and a plethora of other things. It’s doing what video games do and it’s not just an MMO thing.

1st, being fair to the original negative input: iirc, the guy said "when you got how a mechanic works, it then becomes 'stand and let things resolve'". Also, by "stand", the guy clearly implied "movement" as well. Chains that need to be broken: go stand far. Ramuh orb eating: go stand in 3 spots. Knockbacks: stand before obstacle/before long strech of terrain. Boss/add position managment: provoke and stand in spot. Tether to trade: stand in the way when it's your turn. Now, the guy made two critical assumptions that made their argument not worth sharing: - they assumed everybody was great at their rotation - they assumed everybody was great at learning and reading mechanics Those two aren't a given. And, when the vast majority of players lack either one of them, the "FFXIV isn't interesting enough for anybody" crumbles. It may not be interesting enough for somebody wanting a fast-paced reflexe-based game, but it is enough for the average human enjoyer. Now, a lot of the limitations in mechanics are based on the engine limitations. But I still believe there could and should be *a lot more* alternate mechanics available besides "manage your job actions and move good". *The rest of this message is examples of other mechanics that innovate more or less in different yet accessible ways. Read at your own risk of dying of boredom.* - Interacting with something: unpopular opinion, but interactions are interesting. There is strategy in absolutely stopping pressing all your buttons in order to dedicate your actions to something else. Mostly : the "when". And it can only be described as "click on thing for unique stuff to happen". You could have to charge a canon during the fight which would destroy the "first-enrage limb" of a boss, and players who get hit by lightning could have to go transfer their overflowing lightning-aether to the canon terminal by running back and clicking on it (instead of the current lightning rod system). You could have to haul a McGuffin on a trail to end up next to/far from the boss/the party/something else - moving said McGuffin could give a stacking debuff, meaning people have to relay while still managing the fight. You could have to remember a code that appears on the ground/in the background/etc. and interact with a set of doors in the correct order according to said code to get away from a mechanic. Amdapor's Diabolos is literally a dumb version of this last proposition. Susano's sword is another example of interaction that is more interesting than "interact to go on safe spot". They can be done. - Other object management: another unpopular opinion, because old players didn't like fun. Pushing away bombs (Brayflox), pulling bombs away from the party (Alexander 2 I think?), passing a ball from plateform to plateform (imaging every player secluded on a plateform through towers for that one), etc. Managing an object through something else than "damage big", but moreso "damage when" and "damage how". Managing white mage and black mage moogles from Thornmarch can enter in this category. Inflating a balloon through damage/heals just enough (but not too much!), etc. These still can be described with "standing the right way and attacking", but are clearly not the same feeling. - Vehicules/mutations: unpopular opinion as well. Damn I wonder why combat got so annoying for that guy. Once again, abandonning your own gameplay for a unique variation. Protecting the party from bombs, unique adds, a big bad laser. Building up planks for a bridge that will be useful in 30 seconds. Becoming a giant that punches the boss down to managable health right before hard enrage. Becoming a giant that holds the rest of the party on its back (the "back" is a small arena with the party managing adds and aoe to handle mutated guy's health) while giant player is avoiding incoming obstacles (can be camouflaged as an autoscroller with moving orbs so that the "giant" is actually static, all the players and adds thus being handled like normal, and simply the background moving visually). NieR raid has a tiny vehicule phase once. Instance actions: guess what. unpopular opinion. Already mentionned in the video. Those allow for unique interactions that are not about your rotation or positionning. Gotta make them more interesting than a shield (Lakshmi, Rabanastre), but still. Verticality: not an unpopular opinion I think. But as I understand it, it got quickly avoided by the devs after Twintania cheese. Having some people get down/up a flight of stairs to handle some other mechanic. Jumping in a hole to avoid a wave of fire before being propulsed out. Needing to regularly move up a slope to avoid rising lava which would work like Alexander's lawnmower thing from Lamebrix's fight (with said slope being the time limit for a fight, a tad like second boss in Copperbell hard). Technically all "stand and move good", but it at least varies a little. Add "move McGuffin through stairs" and you get into something interesting. Display: the tiny bridge from the last Fuath boss from Dohn Mheg is basically a "move to resolve" mechanic. Move on the wrong path = death. *But* it doesn't look like yet another big hit in your face. Fire, energy ray, big slam, needles, big rock, wave, etc. We have a multitude of damaging elements. Truly a huge amount. But they mainly all simply hit your face. We could go further. You could be hit by an avoidable aoe which would visually transform you into a carrot for 3 seconds: you get one vuln/a damage down, are unable to move during the transformation and tiny evil lopporits spawn from the ground and eat you until the end of the transformation for 60% of max health. You could be hit by an avoidable aoe which gently pokes you with sparkling stardust and makes you into an ultra fat round puppet. Damage down + makes it harder to read your own position for the two mechanics following in the next 8 seconds. You could be hit by a raid-wide aoe that drops a veil on the party (like those veils in P4, but with replacing your character with the texture of a bump in a sheet, like if you were "under it"). Incapable of acting and impaired controls (like with the turning confusing pointy hand) until you get out. There are already mechanics like that with frog transformations and the unequaled Cerberus belly fight. Still stand and resolve, but at least you are not always tired of it. All that to say: there are many ways to vary while respecting the limitations of FFXIV. I hope those examples (are understandable and) speak for themselves.

It’s the coolest most bestest strat. Stand and let thing resolve.

Great video. Hope more sees it

That Lynx Kameli video was just a cringe filled hate train grasping at something to get him a social pressence to build his viewership. I am glad he fell flat on his face. I agree with your video, Raids can improve, and I am hoping DT brings in some new mechanics, but Lynx was just grasping for attention. He is fine where he is right now, I failed has-been full of bitternes that should fade away from memory.

As I wrote as a reaction to another comment, the discussion is NOT about "waiting" ; it's about the game's engine that works by server ticks. Thus, everything looks like "if A, then B" and even patterns actually are "either X or Y" (sometimes there are 4 patterns) ; the "hard" patterns that would be "impossible" are eliminated and the best example I have in mind is Aloalo's first Criterion boss : it's simplified so much so that you only have to look at the central cristal, nevermind the rest of the arena. A different gameplay would be "A does this up until..." ; for instance, in UwU, Titan does 1 landslide up until players build a bridge to stack him a buff that causes him to use 2 landslides instead of only 1. But stacking him litterally is "stand at the correct position and let it stack". There are far mor examples in a game like WoW, because it allows an infinitely higher number of possibilities on each pull, than FF ever will. You talking about "adjusting to the 7 human beings" is... just like comparing painting with a color in 7 different ways, rather than using all colors and tools in an infinite number of ways. There is close to 0 adjustment in FFXIV, because everything is much easier to anticipate. And because all revolves around the server ticks. As such, there is no solution because it's not even an issue to begin with. FFXIV will never be as dynamic and interactive as other MMOs but it shouldn't either (and knowing precisely the area of effect as well as the timing is indeed valuable) and simply can't without a complete overhaul of the game's engine. Should someone not want this "stand and let resolve" (which is a provocative assessment misleading many players), then they shouldn't stay on FFXIV. For clarity, the opposite of the assessment would be "immediate feedback". Not like "If A then B" quicker than it does already, but like Doom fading from healer LB3 on UwU iirc. As long as the timing is scripted or dependant on the server ticks, then... It still is "stand and let resolve" (up until the server ticks) .

what im getting from this is “stand and let it resolve” is every wannabe hardcore raiders favorite new buzzword.

Just stand and let thing resolve! "Ordained motion" Imagine the mech is "make the same emote the boss do." type something in "say" to a boss. Turning things around where the boss become zombie mode, and healers need to heal the boss to damage.

Lists of mechanics off the top of my head that XIV has that I can't really call "stand and let resolve"-adjacent without stretching REALLY hard (and some instances where they appear): >Chains that need to be broken (Ifrit EX, Titania EX, P10 in a sense) >Tether trading/Allagan Rot-style mechanics (A4S, T2) >Arena-hopping/Arena destruction (Shinryu EX, P10, E3) >Orb Eating for mitigation (Ramuh EX, E5) or to soak damage (P4, A4, Chrysalis trial) >Gaols/Player Quarantining (Titan variants, A4, A3, Hades EX) >Interruptables (typically found on adds in add phases, and frequently in low-difficulty content, but rarely seen in bosses. Frankly it'd be cool to have more stunnable/interruptables in bosses themselves) >In-Arena Object Interaction (Leviathan EX shield, Bismarck EX harpoons, A9's batteries) and certain "kinda variants": >>Mechanic-Based "parrying" interaction (Susano EX, Ruby Weapon P2) >>Mechanic-Based Arena Interaction (Garuda EX pillars, Ravana EX walls) >Multiple Boss Parts (Shinryu EX) >Add management (lots of fights, but most notable and unique off the top of my head are P3 birds, A4 Jagd Dolls (and by extension TEA's), and A9's battery-powered adds) >Heal checks not caused by ordinary damage (Many Doom-giving mechanics, O8) And these are just mechanics that come to my mind, not even counting super-common DPS/Heal checks or mitigation checks. Recency bias has me thinking of harder-core (but not necessarily ultimate-level) content since I've been looking into it, but there are plenty of interesting mechanics that show up in the strangest places. Lost City of Amdapor (Hard) has a mechanic where the boss reverses whether their mechanics heal or harm, Wanderer's Palace (Hard) has the tank dog-walking the boss so that they aren't standing in banners that give them damage up/vuln down and a midboss where players have to eat specific colors of idols so the boss can't suck them up. Hell, Castrum Lacus Litore (the big 48-man raid from Bozjan Southern Front) has SIMULTANEOUS boss fights in different parts of the map where half the raid will split based on whether they wanna siege the walls or break down the front door! There's plenty of mechanics out there in FFXIV. I think people tend to resonate with the "stand and let resolve" argument because that's what FF does when it wants to be "safe", in a sense. There's lots of mechanics that *can* be reductively described as "stand and let resolve", after all. I still think it's distasteful for people to act as though they're somehow all the same, though, or that there's somehow been every combination possible ever done. For example - we've seen "Knockback into Towers" before and we've seen "Knockback into Flare" before, but both at the same time? AND the knockback is centered on a player, too? That's a fairly memorable "stand and resolve" mechanic from Golbez EX imo, and proof that even so-called "midcore" content can be really creative with currently-established concepts.

Lost Ark and blade n soul mechanics are on another level of creative. They are so hardcore that you feel extremely satisfy beating the raid.

You're being very liberal with your application of the term "mechanics" in order to make your point more salient. Healing and damage mitigation are responses to mechanics, not mechanics themselves, for example.

I dare you to stand and let Pantokrator resolve.

sttaaaaand AND LET THING RESOOOOOOLVE

Also PLEASE make fight arenas something other than a square/circle. Let one arena be a throne room, rectangular with steps leading up to a throne, or a church where you hide behind pews to dodge an attack or something, incorporate environments into it somehow PLEASE just innovate in some way

The stand and let things resolve guy just wanted a raid only MMO. Ff14 isn't that. It's a game for everyone ( casuals to Raiders) we have content for everyone. That's why this guy was very mad . He wanted ff14 to be something it isn't. Ff14 is a jack of all trade master of none and that why I love it .

turn 7 had good mechanics btw

That's a hard way to say "stand and let thing resolve". Wich it still is. Especially if you look at how much you could do mechanically back in arr and hw still. Compared to back there there is pretty much not much more going on now. They even went so far as to make all old content easier by also making it stand still and let thing resolve. I beg to differ with you and claim you are the one missing the point with these mechanics.

I mean what kind of criticism expect from a community so in love with reductive and/or surface level criticism? Sure you can say mechanics have gone stale because they are similar actions you need to perfmor, however it's also true that tempo and quantity of action has increased, targeting also has become different to the point ppl "need" automarker in a certain ultimate to be able to "solve it". But eh some raiders would rather sink with a ship rather than admit their perspective is flawed

the whole theme of top p1-p4 was controlling your damage output to kill each phase to continue, but in a controlled manner so that the party can still beat up omega in p4 before blue screen finishes casting. and everyone hated that

A different pattern that I feel is the culmination of position based mechanics I see used a lot in FFXIV is Stack>Spread or Spread>Stack. Once you notice it once, you can't unsee how every second spread or stack is followed by its respective counterpart. We even have a special stack marker, just to make sure people don't immediately spread right after, i.e. Akh Morn. Just a fun realization, and I wonder if something new could pop up to shake up this pattern...

Great explanation of the issue, why it exists and how it could be solved. Even for someone like me who only knew what auto-markers are through context, I still understood it.

you have to move first, then let it resolve. ffxiv is mainly a 2d game. the hit box is a circle. height difference only happens in world map or pvp. there is no collision. you should think xiv as a rhythm game. if you want to change this into ff16 style action, it will be a different game. it is better to make a ff17 online. see pso new genesis, they just update the game with mixed reviews. so it's better not to stir the original paying playerbase. a new game? but that will split up the community? it is what it is. the best way is to do a combine subscription or venture into free 2 play gacha.

A wrench and a dream.

Awesome video!! I agree, i think not enough credit is given to FF14's fight design! I hope that we'll get more fun bosses in DT!