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Mac Virtual Display - Apple Vision Pro vs Dual Screens?
Would you rather have an Apple Vision Pro or Dual Screens for work?
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00:00 Vision Pro vs Dual Screens
00:20 Travel
01:33 Working in the Office
02:46 Comfort Levels - Wearing the AVP for Hours
03:28 Answering a Comment: Can You Use the Apple Vision Pro with your laptop in clamshell mode?
04:26 My Thoughts
05:12 More Videos
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00:00 Vision Pro vs Dual Screens
00:20 Travel
01:33 Working in the Office
02:46 Comfort Levels - Wearing the AVP for Hours
03:28 Answering a Comment: Can You Use the Apple Vision Pro with your laptop in clamshell mode?
04:26 My Thoughts
05:12 More Videos
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Nice video man! I appreciate your thoroughness and quality content
If I have a pen display connected to my MacBook and turn on the virtual Mac display, will it turn off my pen display (which I need for drawing)?
I don’t like that the externals switch off and don’t replicate in virtual space. Also it seems like there is only one display available and not many.
I might be getting a MacBook for my upcoming laptop refresh at work and I’ll be using a government PIV card via USB to authenticate a VPN. If I buy an AVP for personal use can I still use it for a Mac Virtual Display if it can’t be on the same VPN even if both are on the same WiFi at my home?
That is a very good question, the AVP works with MVD via wifi. If Wifi is disabled on either device it wont work - and they have to be on the same network. I don't know what a PIV card is, but as long as both devices are on the same network, they should be able to work together. The VPN works for internet, and the AVP works with the local wifi, I think? I have a VPN on my mac, I'll try it out when I get back to my office. Interesting question!
@@KeithBoard Thank you! A PIV card is like a CAC card for controlled access, so even if it’s possible to do some VPNs on the AVP I highly doubt there’s a way to authenticate that type of VPN on it.
@@adamthurmond9092 Oooooooh that sounds pretty locked down. My VPN is a pretty standard service - I don't want to steer you in the wrong direction, that seems like a question for an Apple store genius
Agreed for 4,000 they should include a case
Genuinely confused on how so many are happy with their purchase. 4K to watch content makes me want to punch myself in the face. Every time I use mine, all I think of is what I could have spent 4 grand on instead. Don't do it ppl. Don't do it... Apple clearly knows this was a flop, and are probably expediting work on the next iteration that is sure to be cheaper, lighter and more.
I pretty much wear mine around the house all day instead of my glasses! 😂
hello, is theta over head strap the extra one on the AVP box or it is an after marker one? Thank you!
Bro…..I like you found a backpack which the AVP fits with the case because I’m a traveler I don’t want people seeing that white carrying case. Can you tell me the model and such?
i thought this was a 10 mil subs generic youtuber video then i looked down and went WOAAAAHHH only 586 subs?!?
Haha hopefully someday!!
Nice but WAY TOO expensive. Needs to be at $299
When you mention pinning apps like widegets in the hud I'm right there with you. I think of it like picture and picture (PiP) on the iPhone. Great video.
Thanks! Would be great for some apps, or info-at-a-glance -type stuff
For several months I’ve been working 6-8 hours a day (with breaks) in VP and I believe I get more done this way. VP drastically improved my focus. I dont even notice other people in the office. When I put VP down.. every other screen looks like a joke. :) With such a sleek setup as yours.. and nobody there… It would probably be a tie.
Hah for sure - it's great to have options!
take a look into Visor. I'm working off a Meta Quest 3 and Immersed software currently. But looking forward to Visor's release next week since for productivity purposes it's similar to AVP but at 1/4th the size and weight.
most sensible review I've seen so far. Would like to hear more about your workflow?
Thank you and I have more videos planned in the future about my workflows!
@@KeithBoard Regarding workflows, can you mention how this might fit into various device usage workflows? "This is good for iPad/this kind of work, good for laptop, good for desktop with multi monitors, etc."?
@@ericchang7759 I plan on making more videos like that! I just made one comparing the apple vision pro to dual monitors - there isn't much technical "this is how I use mac virtual display"-type stuff, but I have that planned for the future. Anything you'd like to see in particular, let me know and I'll try to include that in the next videos 👍
I wish I'd never tried it because I can't stop thinking about it but can't justify the price tag atm 😭
Haha thats how I was too! After seeing the potential with mac virtual display and movies, I was hooked. Check out the used market! People in my comments have gotten up to $1000 off and still was able to transfer the apple care
Hello, You have a URL link for that Backpack and if so can you provide the link please?
Hey there, the backback is linked in the description!
@@KeithBoard ok thanks
Thanks for your interesting video 👍 As a mobile developer and owner of a VP since 3 weeks, I like to spend my all day working on VP but sometimes I need to stay in single reality so I use my confortable office setup.
Thanks and totally know what you mean!
Awesome, thank for replying to my question! Being able to use the Vision Pro while the MacBook is in clamshell mode checks another box for me. Personally I use a 28" or 32" monitor (separate offices) which has been enough so I've never even tried a dual monitor setup, but I think I'd sooner get the AVP than add a monitor. As time goes on I appreciate mobility more and more so your example of taking it with you to your parents house when the power was out is a good example. I also travel internationally between the US and Europe so if I buy a new monitor in one location I'm limited when I'm not there. Given the bulk of the AVP in it's case, not to mention the price, I'd be anxious taking it with me though. Have you flown with it?
Glad to help, great question about clamshell mode. I know other people were probably wondering that too. I have used it on a plane, again I took my peter mckinnon backpack (from my accessories video) and put it in the top part for travel. While it did take up almost 1/3rd of my carry on, the experience was worth it. Being immersed with noise cancelling headphones on, it's like youre not even on a plane anymore. Loved it.
Dual displays when anchored. Superior resolution, eye comfort and ability to interact with the space around uninterrupted. I do think the exception is when you need to focus on one task and you need immersion or as you say, a travel situation.
Completely agree, neil!
Your content is always so great and very complete, well done man
I appreciate that! Thank you for the support 🙌
Nice video. As much as I like the VP, I would agree with you - in general I'd prefer working on a couple of monitors. But I can see the VP being perfect for travel.
Thank you! And same here, at the end of the day it's a tool. And it's fantastic at certain things, but not everything. Consuming content is great, but traveling and working is still my favorite way to use the avp. I edited the last two videos for this channel and my filmmaking channel on the AVP while away from the office
Great Video! Always love seeing how other people use it!
Thanks! Same here!
AVP & Mac Virtual Display or dual screens?
Ich habe sie seit der Verfügbarkeit in Deutschland und bin sehr zufrieden damit.
Ich liebe meine apple vision pro. Auch mein Deutsch ist nicht gut haha
Nice video mate! Hoping to see more content on the Apple Vision Pro. How long does it take for the battery to charge back up again with your external battery?
Thank you! It's the same charge time with the external battery as it is with the brick in the wall. Just make sure you have a powerful USBC external battery. The one I use is the 60w USBC external battery that power my macbook pro with while traveling
Good review, but this is the most de-valuedated Apple product for a reason. Even if the hardware and software where perfect, there are very few reasons to use a VIsion Pro and none of them involve 2D work, which is 95% of all work. For 3D modeling, gaming, and some engineering work it is fantastic however, but even so, it's not something that you will wear all day, it's just a very expensive complement to other computing devices that are much more ergonomic and practical
Agree, but I think the avp as another tool to use on it's own - not a tool that will replace all other tools (phone, tablet, computer). I think it's benefits are working while traveling and content consumption, which is pretty nice considering it's price tag. I just made another video going over this about the AVP vs Dual Screens
Does the AVP work with your MacBook in clamshell mode? (attached to your external monitor)
It does. You have to go into the menu and pull it up (it doesn't pop up since it's closed)
Hey there nick, it does! I just answered this question in my most recent video here at 3:25 th-cam.com/video/DEMqqQMCpyw/w-d-xo.html
Great video Keith! I'm still hesitant to pull the trigger due to the price vs how much of a productivity boost I think it'll actually give me but I'm closer to it now. Keep up the great content.
It's definitely a steep price. How I justified it was, I travel a lot and often am not as productive when away from my office because of using a small laptop screen. I can get more editing done for clients and these youtube videos when I'm on the go because of the AVP. I also happen to like watching movies and consuming content on this, but I mostly use it for working while away from my office
An integrated small UPS, and other color options would justify the price for me. But otherwise it is to expensive for what it is.
The official Apple case is too large, and to your point, expensive. There's $20 ones on Amazon that do the job and are half the size for practically.
There are smaller cases for sure. I like that I can fit other accessories inside of the apple case too. It's bulky and expensive, but it feels well protected and it fits inside of my everyday carry backpack
Paid $1900 cash on marketplace and exchanged cash and AVP in front of the local Apple Store. Mint condition. Half price. I’m *very happy* with this product at under $2000. At $3500 retail? Absolutely not. It’s a 256 but considering the amount of content, that should suffice.
$1900!! Thats awesome! nice work, love to see it
899 dollars for a shelf lol what a rip off I built on out of oak and designed it my self you scammers
I’ve had it since day 1 and love it. I own the Quest Pro and 3 for reference. Like you, I like not bothering with controllers. I use my AVP almost daily to watch content. Once the Ultrawide is released, I’ll try it for work. Right now I have an ultrawide + a Wacom Cintique so the Immersed app isn’t comparable. I hope that’s not the case with Apple’s. I also used it for capturing elderly loved ones. Priceless.
Can’t wait for the ultrawide update! I have the quest 2 and just tried my friends quest 3 and to me, they’re just made for different things than the Vision Pro is made for. If you want games, the quest has more options. But content consumption and productivity are where the Vision Pro really shines. Thanks for sharing your take!
Apple was never gonna make a second iteration of this specific headset. This was specifically for developers to build out the lighter poor man’s version. that means the displays in the next iteration will be lower quality because they have to be as will the materials.
Would love to see an apple vision non-pro variant at a much lower price point
I’m just confused why people are confused Apple gives free demos do the demo or don’t do the demo like I just I can’t wrap my head around while someone would buy it and not do the demo but this is America so there’s that
In some parts of America, apple stores are pretty few and far between. I had to drive an hour and a half to buy my first MacBook in 2007. I’ve got one close now, but not everyone lives near one
Hello. Can you review our AVP accessories?
What kind of accessories do you make?
nice bro
Thank you! 🙏
Damn! My credit card hates you right now! 😂 Joking aside, I took an in-store demo as soon as they were available in my native UK and really was impressed. I'm a software developer and use a MBP with dual 5K LG displays every work day for 8 hours or so, which kinda ties me to my desk albeit I work from home full time. What I would like to be able to do is go sit in my lounge or garden, or anywhere, and be able to get real work done on virtual displays, and it sounds like the upcoming features might make that possible albeit at dual 4k resolution not dual 5k + laptop as I have now. That is a trade-off I would most likely make. The other thing that has been a barrier is the current guest mode support, because I would want to be able to let my wife try it out for environments, spatial videos and photos, and movies. So I'm glad to see that guest mode in vOS2 will remember the last guest settings. That will make me feel WAY less guilty at spending a large amount of money on a product that only I can really use! As for buying second hand versus new, that's a tough one. Yes you can make some savings, although I didn't find any particularly compelling options on eBay this evening, but I kinda feel as if this device is going to have a 3-5 year life span before it becomes "last gen" since I think the main push will be towards cost reduction in the next version rather than feature enhancement. In fact, this could end up being the best AVP device for quite a few years as Apple try to balance size, weight, cost and features for more mainstream usage. So I think I'll be more inclined to go for a new purchase with 512GB of storage and Applecare+. That's not going to be cheap but when I do come to upgrade to the next gen device, I should be able to get a better trade-in or private sale value for my first gen device which will help offset things a bit. Thanks for the video - really good work.
Thank you for the kind words! I can’t wait for the ultrawide update, I love using Mac virtual display and more screen real estate would be really nice. I’m using multiple desktops in macOS for now, so while the window size is the same, I can still have multiple pages of apps open and it’s been fine for work so far. Would love to see multiple users added, my wife would like to watch some movies but the eye tracking is a little bit off from me to her if we just take it off and give it to her while still using my profile/password. Seems like an easy update that would improve the user experience a lot. Love hearing how you would use it and your thoughts! Thank you!
When I tried it out at the apple store, there was this black border and it felt like i was looking through binoculars. Me and the employee tried adjusting it a bunch but just couldn't get the black border and the "looking through binoculars" feeling.
Yeah, the field of view is pretty narrow compared to other headsets. I don’t mind it because I use it for mostly for extending my Mac screen, so I’d rather have a narrower field of view with higher resolution, than wider fov. Realize that’s not for everyone though. I hope they have more fov options via different light seals in the future
cool video brother
Thank you! 👍
I've had mine since launch...that's not true. I returned it. It felt unfinished. However I missed it so much after I returned it I bought it again. It's changed my life when it comes to air travel and work while traveling requirements. I don't travel without it.
I totally understand that! It seemed like a nice-to-have but after editing with it while traveling, I can’t go back to the tiny laptop screen with glare. Haha. Thank for your take, love your channel by the way!
@@KeithBoard Keith same man you're doing great work. Really enjoy your DZO reviews. How are you liking the Arles?
@@BrandonTalbot Thanks dude! I've been loving them, I had to send my demo lenses back but want to purchase the set later this year. Absolutely loved using them
Mainly just want... Better field of view...
Fov options with different seals would be nice to have in the future
@@KeithBoard Personally, I'd have put the heavy processing outside the headset, to reduce the weight and also battery requirements. There should ideally be a 180 degree FoV. The higher end PiMax products are somewhat awkward and require an external processor, but at least you can get a more impressive experience.
Why do you mean you come back from the bathroom and your VP is gone?? You take that baby to the bathroom with you.
lol
Can’t get stolen if you’re always wearing it!
Hence the restriction on access to the video of the pass through cameras. 😮
Wow Keith, this video is amazing 🔥🔥
Thank you! 🙌🙌
really cool video! just suscribed and likes, hope you can pass to mine is apple vision but in spanish :)
Frankly, that carry case needs a carry strap as well as a handle.
There is one handle on top, but no strap to wear it like a messenger bag or anything like that
@@KeithBoard yeh, I saw the handle. Just think that given the size and the cost you shouldn’t have to put it in another bag to carry it with no hands.
Silly question but how do you set the memory settings? I can't find any info on fezibo's site about this particular setup (the aurora 3-stage legs w/controller). The white controller you have in this video matches the one I have).
Greta video, what version of Notion are you using, to have the ability to have a large monitor while using your Mac and AVP? You said that it's actually an iPad app.
Thanks! I'm using the iPad version of notion - it might show up in the "compatible apps" folder on the home screen of the AVP. It's ok as a stop-gap until they (hopefully) release a visionOS-optimized version
I’ll wait for the second or even third generation. The weight and the field of view (and of course the price), is holding me back. Another thing is, that I think Apple should consider to extend desktops for Windows as well. That’d be a game changer for Homeoffice. But we use Windows, so can’t choose a Mac, even if I wanted.
Extending windows machines would be awesome. The gamin... I mean, productivity would be awesome.....