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Right, some of the instruments are sounds I’ve paid for through a third party. Just swap the whole instrument out and you’ll hear the MIDI processing through your own instruments

Ableton 12 is like a modular in itself...how you can route signals/midi freely between tracks. And the scale awareness and scale quantisers get everything to gel together.

this is a great little hack!

Lol

i just changed the link, try again? thanks for the heads up!

@@MasonLynass thank you it worked. i expect a 1000 viruses :P

hey thanks!

Unfortunately I don't think there are any precise solutions to your problem... Live needs some input to un-arm a track, and if you want it to be handled with automation (instead of something you do manually), the only place you can write automation for a track is with a clip inside the track (you can't automate track parameters with a clip in a separate track). So you'll need to have a clip launch, which will stop the recorded loop. There are more than a few work-around, creative solutions that I've used to handle this though. Depending on your set up and your specific use case, you might try: - automating the volume of the first FX track to -inf immediately after you're done recording the A loop - MIDI mapping the track record-arm button of an empty track to some button or key you can press, so that you can un-arm all actively armed tracks by arming the empty track by pressing the button - setting up a "monitor track" - you can make a group of loop & fx track pairs that share the same input (they could even be routed to the same output track with a MIDI instrument on it), and one monitor track at the end. all of the track pairs that contain loops have their volume automated off while you're recording loops, but the monitor track has its volume up and you hear whatever you're playing through the monitor track while you're recording. Then later, when everything is recorded, hopefully you can un-arm tracks if you want and automate the volumes of loop track pairs to hear those loops at the appropriate time. I've been working with a client recently and I've had to invent new ways of getting around this issue depending on the song and the part, but the possibilities seem sort of endless! Hopefully that's a decent consolation for not actually being able to give you the perfect solution.

​@@MasonLynass Hi Mason, the other workaround is to use the arrangement view. After some test I found this is the efficient way to have true scripted looping without touching any button. What I do is I use the binklooper to make "arm/unarmed track" automation. (It could be any other max device that allow to arm track actually) And I automate the regular Ableton looper to actually record loops. It works nice. You need to have as much looper than your different part, each looper can give you two different level with automation of the unde/redo. Exemple 4 tracks DRUMS / BASS / PIANO / GUITAR each have binkloopper and 2 regular loopper on them Lets say you do a simple arrangement : Piano part A 4bars ; drums A 8bars ; drums stop playing when you record the bass 4bars ; drums A back rec overdub for 8bars to have Drum B ; everything stop while you record Piano part B for 8bars ; then whole A section comes back while you guitar solo for 24bars , than B part for 8 bars and so on. You can do that without touching anything. It goes like this for the automation : piano arm track / looper 1 rec / 4bars / play - unarm, arm drums / looper 2 rec / 8bars / Stop - unarm ; arm bass / looper 3 rec / 4bars / play - unarm ; arm drum / play - overdub looper 2 / 8 bars / stop - undo - unarm ; arm piano / rec looper 4 / 8bars / looper 4 stop - unarm ; arm guitar - play looper 1, 2 and 3 for 24 bars ; drum looper redo - stop piano looper 1 - play piano looper 4 / 8bars. It's hard to explain with text so I hope in understandable haha Globally you have, arm/unarmed, looper control, and duration to set for each track. It's important to understand to use several looper on a same track to have different part, but if the song is only 4 chords looping no need to. We could also loop bass and keys together with a splitted keyboard, automate changing preset with a chain, fx automation and other stuff.

@@MasonLynass There is also this method but I didn't tried it. th-cam.com/video/ewuyLdz8Vg4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=tei5bunDXZNC0In4

@@MasonLynass the other workaround is that th-cam.com/video/ewuyLdz8Vg4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=tei5bunDXZNC0In4

@@monsterandmaster hey yeah that makes sense! I actually feel kind of silly for never thinking of using Arrangement View until this comment, so thanks for blowing my mind. I guess the one drawback I could see about using BINKlooper in Arrangement View is that you're stuck to one very specific timeline. If you want to have any amount of time to vamp, take an open solo, or just allow yourself some breathing room, you can do it with scenes, but you can't really do it in Arrangement View without a lot of clicking around the timeline. But for a lot of songs that I do I don't need any open time, so Arrangement View would probably work better!

can't say that I've ever tried to use BINKlooper with a project that large! might have to reach out to Bink himself about that one

my bad! I stopped paying for the cloud hosting I was using. I'll update the link in the video description but here's a new link: www.masonlynass.com/to-the-music-for-TH-cam-Project.zip

the way that I figured out a solution to this problem was to map a Launchpad / computer keyboard button to a record arm button on an empty track, or some track that won't affect anything if you mess with the record arm button. I don't remember if this is a stock setting, but when you arm a track, it un-arms all of the other tracks... so if you quickly press this button twice (once to arm one & un-arm the rest, once to unarm it again), you'll end up with a clean slate.

Hey there! That's how mine works too, so I guess that's normal. I know from watching the video where BinkBeats talks about his looping set up, he mentioned that he stores all of his loops in scenes at the top of the project - who knows if he decided to do this because the Max device was programmed that way, or if he wanted the scenes to be there, so they built the Max device that way.

Hey there! I don't know that I totally get what your dilemma is, but: if I'm understanding your question correctly, I don't think it's possible to start recording as a response to incoming MIDI data, unless you're explicitly sending a signal to start a loop. Whether you program it to start recording in advance with automation (with clips, etc.), or you press a button / tell it to start recording in real time, the looper is waiting for a signal to start listening - it's not just always listening, it needs to know the definite starting point (and ending point) in musical time. The way I have my tracks organized, where I'm never deleting any loops that I record in the process of playing the song, I end up with clips like stems that I can mix afterwards. Unless you're recording actively looping MIDI signals & player input MIDI signals into the same loop, I don't think you would end up with one giant clip containing all of the MIDI you recorded for a whole song. Hope this was trying to answer the right questions! Keep the music extremely simple if you're just trying to get the hang of BinkLooper, I wasted a lot of time trying to play the loops correctly when I was trying to figure out automation.

Hey! I haven't run into this problem myself because I don't play this stuff live. I don't think there's a "right approach" but I can think of a couple possible solutions... I am pretty sure that Binkbeats makes unique tracks for each instrument of each song, instead of using the same track for multiple songs. Then he only has one or two "sample scenes" and programs the whole set in one project file... which seems crazy to me! I would think that takes a lot of computing power and would get difficult to keep track of where everything is. If I wanted to try this I would probably stick with stock plug-ins / devices as much as possible to keep my CPU down. To address the issue of tempo, I'm pretty sure that you can assign tempo to a scene outside your sample scenes - like you can not assign a tempo to the sample scene, and it will use whatever tempo is assigned through other scenes. If you assign tempo in the first scene of each song, whatever samples you have in your sample scenes will switch tempos whenever you start that first song scene. So as long as you are stopping between songs, you wouldn't run into any tempo issues. Just program something in the first song scene to delete the previous song's clips in the sample scene. I think. Haven't messed with this stuff in a bit! Hope this helps good luck!