As an englishman who has a welsh nephew and niece and i tried to learn the welsh language. I got a book from my library. Its beautiful to hear my welsh rugby heros speaking about the game in their own language. I understand a little..an englishman. Dioch xx
They got stuffed in the second test. A backlash. Carwyn felt that the British and Irish lions had not played well in the second test and could play much better. Conversly he felt the all blacks had played as well as they could and wouldn't play better. And so it proved. Sorry for my Welsh. Englishman here. Welsh sister in law and Welsh nephew and niece. JPR fan. Tried to learn the language. Dioch xx .
interesting "Dabo" is similar to a Nigerian word "odabo" meaning..Goodbye - Reference to Jonathan Davies skinning Skinner on hi way to set up a try for Hadley against Eglans in 1988
The destruction of Welsh rugby in the eighties was a tragedy for the world game. So many talented boys brought up on their seventies heros. Shocking. The wru have a lot to answer for. An englishman
@troyocarroll they were just not fated to beat them playing as Wales. Had victories for the lions and barbarians and club sides. A great group of players that Welsh side.
As a young kiwi lad I'll always remember the 88 tour. It as utter destruction, but I'll never forget the grit of Jonathan Davies in that second test. He was outstanding. The whole of Eden Park was cheering for him when he got that runaway try. Huge respect to Paul, Thorburn too - he was right about Stephen Jones.
The eighties were a disaster for Wales. So many young boys growing up with the stars of the seventies to emulate. Jonathan Davies was amazing. The intransigence of the wru. Industrial decline in Wales. Rugby league came calling..
I remember going to watch the ‘77 Lions in Christchurch twice, against Canterbury and the All Blacks (2nd test). I became a big Phil Bennett fan. It must have been a tough tour for him and I thought they were a better side than the results ultimately showed. RIP Sir 🇳🇿 🏴
1987..wales v Tonga .. I so love Glenn Webbe….. and yet…..look at the welsh team…just a bunch of thugs, no class, no real ability on display, just absolutely focused on cheating in order to win. Imagine just how much they could have achieved playing honourably and honestly. Wales, you shame untold many thousands of decent hardworking class Welsh people.
Okay…. I Openly admit my intense dislike for welsh rugby and the dishonest way in which they play it. But I am a working class man. Proud and strong in arm and in head. As a child I remember watching an old black and white film…How Green was my Valley… Those Valley Folk reflect my values…. Hard grafting families just being decent, honourable, trying to survive. No cheating, no underhanded behaviour as we now see so often in welsh rugby….but proud, honourable, hardworking men and their wives and families. I have always been drawn towards Wales… My Granfer….one of 8 boys who all worked underground in the valleys. A proud man…a very proud working class family who will hang their heads in deep shame for what welsh people have now become. Your sense of self entitlement is a huge insult to all those Welsh families who struggled so hard to provide you with what you take for granted and as self entitlement nowadays.
I fully understand the heartbreak of the all black victory in 78.. but the honest truth, the honest facts and reality is that the welsh has always cheated and behaved as nothing but a bunch of cheats….. As we so often see and hear. The cheaters always cry the loudest and make the most noise when they get beat by a better bunch of cheaters. It is now 2024..46 years on from the cheating welsh getting cheated by a bigger, better bunch of cheaters…..Go take a look at all those welsh games since 1978….. there has never been one single game in all those years that you can honestly say that Wales didn’t cheat. It’s in their dna….just a bunch of cheating s**m…. The facts don’t lie…..only the welsh cheats do that 🤣🤣
I fully understand the heartbreak of the all black victory in 78.. but the honest truth, the honest facts and reality is that the welsh has always cheated and behaved as nothing but a bunch of cheats….. As we so often see and hear. The cheaters always cry the loudest and make the most noise when they get beat by a better bunch of cheaters. It is now 2024..46 years on from the cheating welsh getting cheated by a bigger, better bunch of cheaters…..Go take a look at all those welsh games since 1978….. there has never been one single game in all those years that you can honestly say that Wales didn’t cheat. It’s in their dna….just a bunch of cheating s**m…. The facts don’t lie…..only the welsh cheats do that 🤣🤣
I remember the 1988 series Wales played against New Zealand. It was a massacre. The All Blacks were so far ahead of the Welsh that it wasn't even funny. Being Triple Crown winners and co-holders of the 5 Nations meant nothing. It was not a good look for NH rugby either.
It was horrible. I felt sorry for the Welsh boys who were good rugby players but miles off in fitness and preparation. Wales were rag tag working jobs here and there. New Zealand were better supported to concentrate on preparing for the matches. Good players too
Thanks you for those comments about New Zealand at the end Gerald Davies. The 1971 Lions had an enormous effect on New Zealand rugby; they changed it for the better in so many ways. Barry John will always be the King here in NZ. It's also a pity we could never lure Carwyn James out here to live and coach; that would have been quite amazing.
To give an insight into what rugby was like at that time - when I turned up for pre season in my 2nd year at University - The WHOLE week was taken by Carwyn James! He told me I wasn't ambitious enough - I don't know. For me it was always no more than recreation on the weekend.
The 'squad training sessions' on a Sunday would require Dawes, Taylor, Davies, JPR travelling down the M4 on a Saturday night together. It was revolutionary - now we have 'team time' during a professional's weekly prep for the weekend game.
Alistair Hignall (who became quite a good Sports Journalist) and who had been a pretty good International Full Back (for England) described the saturday morning of the Wales v France game in Cardiff during 1988 as "a scene of religious fervour". My new (English) wife, who has a faith couldn't believe how My parents and I (also Christians) just nodded with ascent at the description given. She's gotten used to the regular pilgrimages back to THE Stadium (Millenium) over the past 40 years. My daughter (born in 'Home Counties - NORTH') is more Welsh than me - she has CHOSEN to support Welsh rugby. I went to school with Rob Norster, I couldn't believe that he had no more 'conditioning' sessions regularly than I did playing 2nd XV rugby her in England. I enjoyed refereeing my time in English rugby, but I had huge problems being given more 'expenses' on my first RFU appointed game than I had been paying match fees a few weeks before.
It misses out the one blot on the story - the 1977 Lions in New Zealand. A tour Mervyn had already been lined up to captain the year before - and then his issue happened. I remember listening to Gareth over the easter of 78 and he had had enough - as had Phil Bennett. The capers in Australia in 78 told them they were slipping down the other side and then......... Wales were always the side to beat though in the 70s;and occasionally it was so. -- But only occasionally. My boyhood ended that March of 78. Adult life came to the fore and there was only occasional moral lifts for the next 30 years until the first Gatland era.
As a NZer I can say that Haden's dive in 1978 was absolutely shameful. He never really lived it down. Years later I actually played with him and asked why he did it, and his response was to say that Wales had been getting away with murder in the line-outs and that was the only way the ref would see it. Not convinced.
Phil Bennett defied all logic He seemed to become invisible . His unique running lines and swerving changes of direction. Never seen a back get anywhere near his level
That was a weak and inexperienced All Blacks team, and the Welsh could not put them away. I believe the welsh were already on the down hill slide at that stage, a improving Wallabies had beaten them 2-0 in Australia that year. And a more Astute ref would have resulted in a bigger winning margin to the All Blacks that day, for a start Fenwick would have been sent off for breaking Clive Curries jaw, with that high Late and deliberate elbow to Curries face, plus a few of the Welsh dives would have been picked up, plus the sly leg trip on Brian Mckechnie.
It is a shame that they showed the defeat in Ireland in 1970 before the England game at Twickenham famous now for Chico Hopkins's rare appearance in a Wales shirt. The England game was played first and Wales only got their noses in front in the last ten minutes. The Ireland game took place two weeks later and Ireland were pretty sore after the 1969 game and Price's punch on Noel Murphy early on. Even the soon to be invested Prince of Wales must have seen it! Having been at the Twickenham match, I had a feeling that Wales could come unstuck in Dublin. I can confirm that it was a significant defeat. Thanks for putting it on TH-cam. It was great to see it all again.
Unfortunately there is an inaccuracy about 1989. England had already drawn with Scotland so when they came to the Wales game, which was the last game of that season, they will still on for the championship but not the grand slam.
I hate it when the media can’t wait to slam a side if they lose a few games on the bounce, they were amateur those days, with jobs, imagine being smashed to bits on a Saturday afternoon and expecting to limp into work on a Monday morning, these guys were only human, and they eclipsing the word human, the 70’s were a great time for British rugby, especially the welsh. The only trouble being, they were held back by stuffy men in suits, who knew nothing of what the players had to go through
What sheer joy. Brilliantly put together as well. Lived up to the story it had to tell. BBC Cymru. You can tell the Welsh love their rugby. And a fantastic screenrecorder!!! This is my English childhood. Adds that extra dimension. I think any Englishman - or anyone - of my age is pretty much rooting for Wales when they're playing another country.
I lived in gcg in 1971 when the Welsh players played an exhibition match at cwmgors club pitch and I didn't have a clue 😂
This was the greatest lions tour. In 1974 the south africans were all over the place...1971 the best for me. Bevan. Duckham. Davies.
As an englishman who has a welsh nephew and niece and i tried to learn the welsh language. I got a book from my library. Its beautiful to hear my welsh rugby heros speaking about the game in their own language. I understand a little..an englishman. Dioch xx
They got stuffed in the second test. A backlash. Carwyn felt that the British and Irish lions had not played well in the second test and could play much better. Conversly he felt the all blacks had played as well as they could and wouldn't play better. And so it proved. Sorry for my Welsh. Englishman here. Welsh sister in law and Welsh nephew and niece. JPR fan. Tried to learn the language. Dioch xx .
interesting "Dabo" is similar to a Nigerian word "odabo" meaning..Goodbye - Reference to Jonathan Davies skinning Skinner on hi way to set up a try for Hadley against Eglans in 1988
We've sadly lost even more of that splendid team since this was recorded. Let's enjoy and admire the ones we have left.
Great player Glenn ...Loved watching him back in the day
The destruction of Welsh rugby in the eighties was a tragedy for the world game. So many talented boys brought up on their seventies heros. Shocking. The wru have a lot to answer for. An englishman
The loss of players to rugby league was a big blow for Wales.
The welsh team in the 1970s was amazing. Their failing was to never beat new Zealand
So they couldn't have been amazing then huh?
@troyocarroll they were just not fated to beat them playing as Wales. Had victories for the lions and barbarians and club sides. A great group of players that Welsh side.
As a young kiwi lad I'll always remember the 88 tour. It as utter destruction, but I'll never forget the grit of Jonathan Davies in that second test. He was outstanding. The whole of Eden Park was cheering for him when he got that runaway try. Huge respect to Paul, Thorburn too - he was right about Stephen Jones.
The eighties were a disaster for Wales. So many young boys growing up with the stars of the seventies to emulate. Jonathan Davies was amazing. The intransigence of the wru. Industrial decline in Wales. Rugby league came calling..
I remember going to watch the ‘77 Lions in Christchurch twice, against Canterbury and the All Blacks (2nd test). I became a big Phil Bennett fan. It must have been a tough tour for him and I thought they were a better side than the results ultimately showed. RIP Sir 🇳🇿 🏴
Phil had to follow in king Barry's footsteps. He did well
I'm nearly sure there was a 'Slammed' 90's and 00's versions as well. Are they online folks?
Loved watching Glenn play at the brewery field as a teenager.
Welsh rugby was a mess in the 80s. It was an embarrassment.
Brilliant. My uncle played youth rugby with JPR.
Try not to play the victim Glenn.. think of all those who your welsh teammates harmed, abused, fouled, and abused so unprofessionally.
1987..wales v Tonga .. I so love Glenn Webbe….. and yet…..look at the welsh team…just a bunch of thugs, no class, no real ability on display, just absolutely focused on cheating in order to win. Imagine just how much they could have achieved playing honourably and honestly. Wales, you shame untold many thousands of decent hardworking class Welsh people.
Okay…. I Openly admit my intense dislike for welsh rugby and the dishonest way in which they play it. But I am a working class man. Proud and strong in arm and in head. As a child I remember watching an old black and white film…How Green was my Valley… Those Valley Folk reflect my values…. Hard grafting families just being decent, honourable, trying to survive. No cheating, no underhanded behaviour as we now see so often in welsh rugby….but proud, honourable, hardworking men and their wives and families. I have always been drawn towards Wales… My Granfer….one of 8 boys who all worked underground in the valleys. A proud man…a very proud working class family who will hang their heads in deep shame for what welsh people have now become. Your sense of self entitlement is a huge insult to all those Welsh families who struggled so hard to provide you with what you take for granted and as self entitlement nowadays.
I fully understand the heartbreak of the all black victory in 78.. but the honest truth, the honest facts and reality is that the welsh has always cheated and behaved as nothing but a bunch of cheats….. As we so often see and hear. The cheaters always cry the loudest and make the most noise when they get beat by a better bunch of cheaters. It is now 2024..46 years on from the cheating welsh getting cheated by a bigger, better bunch of cheaters…..Go take a look at all those welsh games since 1978….. there has never been one single game in all those years that you can honestly say that Wales didn’t cheat. It’s in their dna….just a bunch of cheating s**m…. The facts don’t lie…..only the welsh cheats do that 🤣🤣
I fully understand the heartbreak of the all black victory in 78.. but the honest truth, the honest facts and reality is that the welsh has always cheated and behaved as nothing but a bunch of cheats….. As we so often see and hear. The cheaters always cry the loudest and make the most noise when they get beat by a better bunch of cheaters. It is now 2024..46 years on from the cheating welsh getting cheated by a bigger, better bunch of cheaters…..Go take a look at all those welsh games since 1978….. there has never been one single game in all those years that you can honestly say that Wales didn’t cheat. It’s in their dna….just a bunch of cheating s**m…. The facts don’t lie…..only the welsh cheats do that 🤣🤣
I remember the 1988 series Wales played against New Zealand. It was a massacre. The All Blacks were so far ahead of the Welsh that it wasn't even funny. Being Triple Crown winners and co-holders of the 5 Nations meant nothing. It was not a good look for NH rugby either.
It was horrible. I felt sorry for the Welsh boys who were good rugby players but miles off in fitness and preparation. Wales were rag tag working jobs here and there. New Zealand were better supported to concentrate on preparing for the matches. Good players too
This really is the best sports docu of recent years.
Don't ever let anyone tell you Barry John didn't tackle. He did.
18:50 doggo makes the match and series winning tackle 👍🏼👍🏼
Top man
Ive learnd alot mirL of the story persistence pays off
The language of my parents; I hope it is never lost. As for this era of rugby, simply wonderful!
Thanks you for those comments about New Zealand at the end Gerald Davies. The 1971 Lions had an enormous effect on New Zealand rugby; they changed it for the better in so many ways. Barry John will always be the King here in NZ. It's also a pity we could never lure Carwyn James out here to live and coach; that would have been quite amazing.
I think carwyn Barry John and Gerald Davies will always be very respectfully held in new Zealand. Mike Gibson Jpr John Bevan and David duckham too
editing at 53.39 ...? wtf
Love it
Terrific
Geez. JJ scores try after try and barely gets a mention.
Imagine
It's the first time in 53? years I'd heard that King John had taken the whole two weeks to be persuaded to tour.
To give an insight into what rugby was like at that time - when I turned up for pre season in my 2nd year at University - The WHOLE week was taken by Carwyn James! He told me I wasn't ambitious enough - I don't know. For me it was always no more than recreation on the weekend.
The 'squad training sessions' on a Sunday would require Dawes, Taylor, Davies, JPR travelling down the M4 on a Saturday night together. It was revolutionary - now we have 'team time' during a professional's weekly prep for the weekend game.
Alistair Hignall (who became quite a good Sports Journalist) and who had been a pretty good International Full Back (for England) described the saturday morning of the Wales v France game in Cardiff during 1988 as "a scene of religious fervour". My new (English) wife, who has a faith couldn't believe how My parents and I (also Christians) just nodded with ascent at the description given. She's gotten used to the regular pilgrimages back to THE Stadium (Millenium) over the past 40 years. My daughter (born in 'Home Counties - NORTH') is more Welsh than me - she has CHOSEN to support Welsh rugby. I went to school with Rob Norster, I couldn't believe that he had no more 'conditioning' sessions regularly than I did playing 2nd XV rugby her in England. I enjoyed refereeing my time in English rugby, but I had huge problems being given more 'expenses' on my first RFU appointed game than I had been paying match fees a few weeks before.
what a shame Wales is now up the swanny, filled with muslims and just a visit down St. Mary's street is sad as it's filled with homeless people.
It misses out the one blot on the story - the 1977 Lions in New Zealand. A tour Mervyn had already been lined up to captain the year before - and then his issue happened. I remember listening to Gareth over the easter of 78 and he had had enough - as had Phil Bennett. The capers in Australia in 78 told them they were slipping down the other side and then......... Wales were always the side to beat though in the 70s;and occasionally it was so. -- But only occasionally. My boyhood ended that March of 78. Adult life came to the fore and there was only occasional moral lifts for the next 30 years until the first Gatland era.
As a NZer I can say that Haden's dive in 1978 was absolutely shameful. He never really lived it down. Years later I actually played with him and asked why he did it, and his response was to say that Wales had been getting away with murder in the line-outs and that was the only way the ref would see it. Not convinced.
Very scummy behaviour , 2 in the lineout flopped like turds
Marvelous! Many thanks!
Phil Bennett defied all logic He seemed to become invisible . His unique running lines and swerving changes of direction. Never seen a back get anywhere near his level
Pity Edwards and Phil Bennett didn’t hang around for the 1978 All Blacks game. I reckon they would have won that had they been playing still
A more astute referee and Wales would have won that game.
That was a weak and inexperienced All Blacks team, and the Welsh could not put them away. I believe the welsh were already on the down hill slide at that stage, a improving Wallabies had beaten them 2-0 in Australia that year. And a more Astute ref would have resulted in a bigger winning margin to the All Blacks that day, for a start Fenwick would have been sent off for breaking Clive Curries jaw, with that high Late and deliberate elbow to Curries face, plus a few of the Welsh dives would have been picked up, plus the sly leg trip on Brian Mckechnie.
It is a shame that they showed the defeat in Ireland in 1970 before the England game at Twickenham famous now for Chico Hopkins's rare appearance in a Wales shirt. The England game was played first and Wales only got their noses in front in the last ten minutes. The Ireland game took place two weeks later and Ireland were pretty sore after the 1969 game and Price's punch on Noel Murphy early on. Even the soon to be invested Prince of Wales must have seen it! Having been at the Twickenham match, I had a feeling that Wales could come unstuck in Dublin. I can confirm that it was a significant defeat. Thanks for putting it on TH-cam. It was great to see it all again.
Unfortunately there is an inaccuracy about 1989. England had already drawn with Scotland so when they came to the Wales game, which was the last game of that season, they will still on for the championship but not the grand slam.
So glad I watched this vid ..now I know what an amazing human being Glenn Webbe is …what a guy
You wouldn’t treat a dog like the WRU treated this man. Tremendous bloke
I hate it when the media can’t wait to slam a side if they lose a few games on the bounce, they were amateur those days, with jobs, imagine being smashed to bits on a Saturday afternoon and expecting to limp into work on a Monday morning, these guys were only human, and they eclipsing the word human, the 70’s were a great time for British rugby, especially the welsh. The only trouble being, they were held back by stuffy men in suits, who knew nothing of what the players had to go through
Spectacular! Thanks for the upload
What sheer joy. Brilliantly put together as well. Lived up to the story it had to tell. BBC Cymru. You can tell the Welsh love their rugby. And a fantastic screenrecorder!!! This is my English childhood. Adds that extra dimension. I think any Englishman - or anyone - of my age is pretty much rooting for Wales when they're playing another country.
Certainly if that country is NZ or SA!
What a bore Peter Jackson is.
One of the most astute scribes since Clem Thomas.