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Thank you!

Thank you! Great to know you love this reel :)

Hi, thank you for your comment :) Basically it'll depend on all your feelings, but if I were you, I would use TP SW as your targets are to go down to the bottom and structures straight after hooking, therefore you need to lock the drag and pull them up as soon as possible. I felt TP has slightly more power of reeling, so I would use that.

Hi, I am really afraid I don't get what you mean?

Hi, it again depends on your preference and what you are after. I would personally use TP SW for most of type as I feel that's stronger than Certate SW, but Certate rotor is absolutely lighter than TP's, so real easy to stop n go type of reeling action. So, Certate is easier to make action on vertical jigging to me, than TP. I would select TP just because I won't only use this for jigging but for variety of fishing. However, if you compare to the smaller size like #4000-#6000, there may be the case to select Certate SW.

@@jpfishingtacklenews195 I’m mainly planning to use 5000 size for shore jigging use but the noise of the rotor and that cheap drag look inside the Certate spool makes me think twice.

Hmm I see. I think it's really important that you love your reel while using, so if you think that way then I think TP can be better choice to you :)

Hi, hmm that sounds odd, at least it's not happening with my reel and rod as you can see in this video. If you could compare to other SHIMANO reels and see if it's much closer than others, then probably should take it to the shop where you bought one and ask them to check or repair if possible.

Thank you for your comment! If I say about the product quality, definity 23 Vanquish is better. For personal preferences, if you don't mind about Infinity Loop, 23 Vanquish is better on all section, that's the highest product of the MGL series and it has more variety of model range as it is the general purpose reel against 23 EXSENCE XR is set to be used for Seabass fishing. If you don't like Infinity Loop and like the models of 23 EXS, then 23 EXS will be coming up on your choice, as I felt the Infinity Loop can be a bit tricky on specific cases.

Hi, thank you for your comment! If you are referring to the SF models then SF1000 and SF2000 are the same body size but spool size is different. Both are slightly bigger on SF2500. Normal Airity does not have #1000 size but you can use SPLW LT1000 spool on LT2000. 2500 and bigger, all has their own sizes so there are no spool matching cross over the different sizes. You can use the same spool on normal and PC models, such as LT2500S and PC-LT2500.

@@jpfishingtacklenews195 oh OK thanks got it.. I thought thr 2500 SF just had a bigger rotor so it can fit the bigger spool.. so the 2500 SF also has a bigger body a bit.. so the gears and some other internals are bigger ? 🤔

@@thatonebeone I assume so. I am sorry but I can't just make sure of it as we are not able to supply overhaul services so can't compare the actual gear size but the body size looks slightly bigger than 2000.

Thank you for your comment! Hmm that really depends on personal preferences. Here are just my preferences: Body: 24 Certate (pretty similar), just because I love Monocoque body. Gear: 21 TPXD, smoother reeling than 24 Certate, not sure about durability but this reel does not have any issues on gears still. Rotor: 21 TPXD is lighter, 24 Certate is slightly heavier but lighter Feeling: 21 TPXD is lighter and smoother, 24 Certate is opposite but slightly stronger I would use 24 Certate mainly from now on as this is to be used for tougher, stronger type of fishing which 24 Certate can be suitable more.

Thank you for your comment, haha of course if you can reach the EXIST then it'll be better!

Thank you for your comment :) I see, maybe shape? I think previous DAIWA spools are more like sharp n solid shape and the new ones are more like round shape.

Thank you for your comment :) It is interesting as the lines I spooled in the past did not happen that. I only experienced your situation when I spooled really cheap one, not from Japanese major brands, as the line was much thicker than others against its display. At least, SHIMANO Grappler 8, Ocea 8, YGK-XBraid, DAIWA Dura Sensor, VARIVAS AVANI series, Sunline Sigron, Gosen Answer / Roots, those are fit perfectly as of the catalogue spec.

Thank you very much 😊 Basically it depends on your preference and the rod you are planning to match up, but I would personally select 24 TwinPower for light rock fishing, as I would prefer to have reeling power with metal rotor than sensitivity of this Vanquish, because rock fish can go into the structures once they bite straight away, and you'd need to hold up tight and pull them up harder before too late. Moreover you can have chance to hook bigger fish than you target all in sudden on rock fishing. But if you would need more sensitivity for using light soft plastic and you need clearer information from under the water like touching bottom, catch small bites etc etc.. then Vanquish might be your choice.

Thank you very much 😄 And really good to know you liked the voice over, we'll keep doing this!

Thank you for your comment, I understand your feeling. They are quite similar though they have differences, Twinpower is a bit less bearings, the body cover is Ci4+ instead of STELLA's metal, and one more thing the quality of each parts and clearance adjustment could be, possibly, very slightly, lower than STELLA to reduce the cost, which actually makes STELLA as very special flag-ship. Obviously, TwinPower is one level downgraded spinning reel of STELLA. This is really your choice, I am pretty sure you can do everything with 24TP what you can do with STELLA. They are absolutely different, but very close :)

@@yukikimura9501 The Stella is indeed a nice reel with all you mentioned and since the price is attractive now due to the conversion rate. Its very tempting to be honest..so I dont know I also have the Vanquish and the Airity and both of those are solid reels as well

Hi! Well I can't find the exact rod Exsence S86M, but assuming it'd be around 130-150g, so I would use Stella C3000 or Vanquish 4000 depends on your target. If your target is like seabass in Japan then I would use Vanquish as that type of fishing won't really need hard and rigid reels but sensitivity would be needed more, but if you use your tackles for tougher condition and/or target that you don't need such sensitivity, then STELLA will be better for sure.

@@jpfishingtacklenews195 The rod has a test of 6-40 grams, and weighs 123 grams. I plan to use baits weighing up to 32 grams somewhere. It is very difficult to choose, but under such conditions will your opinion change? 🤔🙃

@@jpfishingtacklenews195 I plan to fish in reservoirs and rivers, not sea fishing. The fish are diverse, maybe perch, walleye, asp, pike

I see.. If you could think of both Stella and Vanquish and from your details, I might pick Stella to be honest, because you don't really keep flicking lures hundred times, don't even need such sensitivity from Vanquish. Stella has full metal body + metal rotor which has great power to reel and also it could last longer. Next is the size of the body and really depends on how much line capacity you wish to have, but from your information, I would go with C3000XG + braid line PE#1.2-1.5, 250-300m approx.

Thank you :) I can actually see your point, I think those are a bit different and some people absolutely like 19 over 23 for sure. Speaking about 'inertia' it's the power to keep spinning as you know, and I still feel 23 V's is definitely lower than 19's as 19 rotor keeps spinning a bit longer than 23. But yes 19 is definitely lighter to start spinning, which I am assuming because of Infinity Loop - that requires more gears than cross wrapping. To me those are different reels, and therefore there should be tons of peoples' likes and dislikes.

@@jpfishingtacklenews195 I agree. They're different reels but both are excellent options. The start-up inertia on the 23' is still lower than the 22' Stella or the 20' Vanford; at least with the reels I own.

Thank you!

Thank you very much for your feedback, may I know especially what sound did you miss by the music so that I can make better movie next time please?

@@yukikimura9501 There was nothing wrong with the sound. Everything was very clear and easy to hear. Great video!

They both have strength and weakness so I can't say which is better I am afraid, but Airity is abslutely "easier" to be used to me.

Well I can't be sure of it as I'm not a SHIMANO staff, but am expecting it could be out at 2024 Autumn / Winter Selection, based on 23 Stradic, so new MGL rotor from Vanquish, Ci4+ body, anti-twist fin, infinity drive, infinity cross, but infinity loop.

That make sense , thank you

I recommend this very good video on comparison between Vanquish and Stella: th-cam.com/video/jEr_ptccV-M/w-d-xo.html

As SHIMANO says both Stella and Vanquish are the flagship models, which means they are the top of each categories - Coresolid and MGL. To those are really different, where as STELLA can be used more for tough, strong or larger fishing types as the weight is heavier but the roter is rigid due to metal material. More durable, tougher and rigid, is the STELLA's characteristic. Vanquish is more for lighter and sensitive fishing types such you need to concentrate into catching more information from under the water, like native trouts, blackbass fishing with soft plastics, eging, etc. You can even catch 1m over spanish mackerel or jewfish with STELLA but if you use Vanquish, I would imagine the rotor could have some issues from 2-3 fights, just from my past experience :)

Very solid answer and thorough, thank you so much.👍

Hi, thank you for watching! Surely that's the big point of where people like or don't like. I can't say this is a good reel or not good only from this point but as of this video, I had the issues couple of times for certain conditions, so I would just say if you don't like it, leave it and get others. If you like, go for it :)

Thank you :) Hmm.. To me, STELLA is tough, strong and rigid reel but heavy, Vanquish is for lighter and sensitive, Exist is in between. If you don't mind about Infinity Loop parallel wrapping then depends how light and sensitive you want from the reel. If you use it for delicate fishing like super light saltwater game, light trout etc that needs to catch more information from under the water, I'd go with Vanquish. But if you don't need to have that much sensitivity (but better to have it), need a bit more strength but not as much as full metal STELLA, then Exist. If you don't really want to care about parallel wrapping line trouble, Exist would be better I reckon :) SHIMANO's Infinity Loop is much less trouble than previous super slow oscillating, but not as safe as cross-wrapping to me.

Hi! I'd go with 4000 or C5000, depends on what line capacity you would like. 3000 could be a bit too small and light against your rod. 4000 for PE1.5-320m, 5000 for PE2-300m, and you can even spool lighter line with pre-spooling by mono line first, if you want :)

@@jpfishingtacklenews195 thank you.

I bought this from local store in Japan :)

@@jpfishingtacklenews195 do you know about digitaka? And if they are legit?

Thank you! If your Stradic Ci4+ model is "2500HG" then the body size is pretty similar, but has deeper spool than 2500SHG. It's a bit tricky though JDM only has 2500 size shallow spool which only has capacity of braid PE#1-120, and overseas model has full 2500 size spool with capacity of #1-320. C3000MHG can also be a good choice as the weight is only 170g comparing to Stradic Ci4+ 185g, with line capacity of #1-190m. If this is too short then you can select C3000XG as well, the same weight but capacity is #1-400m. So the point is: 1. How long you need to spool? -> the longer the bigger, or other way around. 2. Do you need sensitivity or strength? -> sensitivity: Vanquish, strength: Stella Vanquish body has great strength, power and reeling torque for sure by Infinity Drive, but the spool is not as strong as Stella of course. Hope it helps :)

I understand what you mean and felt the same way at 19 Vanquish. To be honest I am quite not sure how much you could be satisfied from this reel but in my personal feeling, 23 Vanquish feeling is much closer to Stella, of course it should still be a little plasticky than Stella, but absolutely less.

I am sorry but we only supply tackles from Japan and Japanese companies, so can't really tell about Penn...

@@jpfishingtacklenews195 ahhh that’s interesting to know i didn’t know that well thank you how is the certate holding up

@@eternalabyzz9386 No worries at all! I've been using this for deep sea jigging and since then, fought with around 10-15 kingfish at moment and still light and smooth so far :)

@@jpfishingtacklenews195 awesome to hear thank you

@@eternalabyzz9386 No worries anytime :)

I think this is not there because those are not really used for lure fishing often or not really common, at least in Japan? I'd be a bit interested for rear drag personally though :)

Of course you can definitely use Stradic or something else to fish if you don't want to spend that much money :)

Picked unlucky lottery ticket. Quality control issues not only low or mid tier but also top. Don’t worry- its normal now days😢

Thank you very much for your comment, we've checked some and didn't have one but if that's bad, are you able to talk to the shop you bought from and ask them to check or send it back to Shimano through the shop and fix?

Do not expect the handle to be fixed to the body. Some play is totally normal in order to have smooth rotation. I got plenty of stellas and exists in different sizes and year of manufacture and they all have some play in the handle.

Personally I would select C3000 as Lunamis is such light weight rods.

Thank you!

Of course both can be used. The biggest difference is to have Infinity Loop or not from me, so if you can manage line well and wish to have 2-5m of extra cast distance then Vanquish, but if you don't want to worry about it, then maybe Exsence.

I own both the 19' Vanquish C3000MHG and 2 of the 17' Exsence c3000MHG and I'd definitely go with the Exsence. It has stronger gears, saltwater sealed and a really strong/responsive drag. I can't speak for the 21' Exsence. I don't have one but the 17' model is bullet proof if you can still find one.

@@philipfalco7304 Thank you for your comment. As 17 Exsence is based on 16 Vanquish, which is full MG metal, therefore the body is absolutely stronger than 19 Van. I am not quite sure what you mean by "Saltwater sealed" and "Stronger gear" only for 17 Exs, as 17 Exs / 19 Van / 21 Exs / 23 Van all have X-Protect, 17 Exs has previous Micromodule Gears but all others have MG2, which maker official says more durable than MG1. Not quite sure yet for Infinity Cross' durability just yet but at least, 22 STELLA's gear does not have any issues since the end of 2022, which 23 Van also has. 14 Stella, 16 Vanquish, 17 Exsence all are not quite difference in between (comparing to the latest models), those were built on the quite similar designs. But from 18 Stella / 19 Vanquish / 21 Exsence, SHIMANO separated those models even more obvious, such as Core Solid - Tough, Strong and Durable, MGL - Light and Sensitive (21 Exs is a "custom version" of 19 Van to me). So, 17 Exs is much heavier than 19 Van / 21 Exs. Of course, if you think 17 Exs is the best choice for you then yes that's great reel, and maybe you can get one for cheaper price for used. However only one thing, I would not think older models' gears would be stronger than the latest model, as gear's durability is one of the biggest theme for all reel makers, and obviously, newer models' gear lasts longer than old ones in my experience. Conclusion for me, comparing to 17 Exs / 19 Van / 21 Exs, if you don't care the body weight and want full-metal body, surely 17 Exs. If you wanted lighter reel - lighter spinning, lighter weight, 19Van / 21 Exs can be better. Those reels are not for fighting with monster fish, but for small - medium size and those have good enough strength to fight with :)

@@jpfishingtacklenews195 Thank's for the explanation. First off, I have 7 Vanquish's and 2 of the 17' Exsence and 3 Stella;s. They're all game-changers for me. I use the 17' Exsence c3000mhg or the 19' Vanquish C2500SHG, 2500S (With a C3000MHG spool for extra drag power) or just use the C3000MHG for all my soft plastic applications (Texas rigs, tubes, and on and on) but for me the Exsence just feels more solid and balances well with most of my rods and at 7oz even, it's not heavy by no means and I just feel more power when winding and the drag feels stronger and more responsive than any of my other reels and it weigh's 1/2oz. less than my 2500 Stella. I use my 19' and 23' Vanquish in the c2000s and c2000shg along with my 19' Stella 1000 and 22' Stella C2000SHG for Trout/Panfish and smaller Bass on my UL or Light rods. So, in closing, I just prefer the 17' Exsence when I really want a strong hook set on bigger fish. I can just flip a 5LB. in the boat with NO problem or worry with that reel. And remember, the 17' Exsence was originally branded Sea Bass for a reason.

Well 24 TwinPower will be out 99% in my opinion. Stella SW can be couple of years later as some says Shimano takes 6 years of span to renew for heavy duty spinnings.

Hi Massai, thank you very much! Yeah I agree, as of the review I have one and love so much, I am pretty sure that STELLA is the one you can even enjoy reeling at home :)

Hi, thank you very much :) Yes I think that's good, 160g rod with 255g (or 260g) is a good match.

Hi, thank you very much for letting us know your feeling! I see and assuming it could be because 2022 has extra gear and functions to achieve Infinity Loop gimmick, therefore you might feel 18 is smoother. I can still feel '18 is slightly lighter than 22 :)

Hi! It really depends on what rod especially how weigh rods are but around 10ft still ok for the size, the rod I used in this movie is Nessa XR 11'2". This rod is incredibly great, the weight is only 180g with jig max 56g, great match up with STELLA C5000XG.

It depends on the size but approx about US$620 - $680 or around.

I am really sorry but I can only read English or Japanese.

I am really sorry but I can only read English or Japanese.

I am really sorry but I can only read English or Japanese.

Yes absolutely, the reel has no problem for casting and jerking. But I think you'll need to think more for what you target. If your target is something that you'd need to tighten the drag pretty much like amberjack, kingfish, grouper then normal TwinPower might be better as it has metal rotor. If you need lighter rotor for some reason, this will definitely be better. Good luck!!

Wow 200lbs! I did not really try that hard but I understand this is such a tough reel :)

Here you can see the spec list in this page : www.jpfishingtacklenews.com/shop/daiwa-21-certate-sw/

Haha I know that feeling.. :)

That's good that you love this reel :) We just post this as "our" review so if you love it it's definitely the one for you.

Hi, yes I user this to jig sometimes :) It really depends the case, when I think it's better to jerk wider, or lower by half pitch jerk than normal one pitch jerk then use this, otherwise use Certate SW 10000-H for one pitch jerking.