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@lenaperkins6215 Yes! We compost it to use as fertilizer in the orchard but some dry the skins and make a tea. I've also hear of coffee cherry flour.

It is also used in making liqueur! You might find more uses for it by looking under the other name for coffee cherries: Cascara www.theliquoristblog.com/cascara-liqueur/

I'm using a "knockoff" version of all of them. And I'm judging the knockoffs, not name brand products. And I'm not hiding this in the video. The main reason is that most people will see a product with a name brand price tag and immediately look for a cheap knockoff. And as long as something is designed with the same principles, it's helpful to see how the designs compare, either the name brand products against each other, or cheap knockoffs against each other. And actually you were to compare name brand to knockoffs but limited to only one design, that would be valid also. The only invalid comparison would be to use one design in a name brand version, and a different design in a knockoff version. Which of course is NOT even close to what this video is. It should also be noted by the viewer that the only noticeable difference between a Tetradrip and the product I used in the video is the price tag.

@@KonaEarthCoffee Absolutely not true. I have tried both the tetradrip and this knockoff side by side. The knockoff is such a hassle to assemble (because of the much harder, thicker metal) that this alone is reason enough to pay the premium of the original. But thank you for being upfront about the authenticity of the product being reviewed. A bit of a tangent, I know, but for what it's worth, I've also tried the others you're comparing with. As with any dripper, each needs to be dialed in differently as the extraction/drawdown mechanics will be different. I don't invalidate your experience and choosing what you went with. Just saying that some might find the other options equally valid (nothing inherently worse in one vs the others). Taste aside though (which is agreed the most important metric) the one that you went with is quite finicky to get used to having the filter in just the right way (and stay put)

Well, there may be an assembly difference, but since they use the same size and shape of filter, they are the exact same size and geometric shape (and they must be the same because both are 3 equal flat sides perfectly holding the same size filter) they are going to brew the same. But a bigger point needs to be addressed. This video was a review for brewing while traveling. People aren't going to want to adjust their grind size from their home dripper to their travel dripper when they use the same filter papers. For that matter, I don't either. And I reject that different V60 filter-using drippers actually need different grind sizes. Maybe you can get better performance out of one or the other if you do fine tune your grind but, that's kind of the point: if there's one that doesn't require that attention to detail - that's the one I want! And I think most people would agree. Honestly, I'm shocked by your last comment because in my experience the spiral one doesn't need fiddling because it has so little friction that the filter paper self centers. And since filming this video I've bought and tested half a dozen more (using them for a Labor Day party) and they all work better than the Tetradrip design. I didn't need to adjust my grind, didn't need to fiddle with the papers. Now I get that you don't agree, but that's ok. Not everyone needs to agree, not everyone needs to like the same things. And not everyone cares about creating the perfect test to get the best out of a given brewer, but instead testing in a way that is accurate to the most common use case for consumers. Cheers!

@@KonaEarthCoffee well there you go then-if you don’t want to adjust grind sizes between drippers even if these have different drawdowns and extraction dynamics, then we’re definitely on different boats. You seem to have found a dripper that just happened to have a similar enough behavior to what you have at home. Good for you then. Others may have different home setups and the advice here won’t apply. And then there are those who again dialing in differently because different drippers do behave differently. For that matter, different coffees also need different recipes (ratios, grind sizes, temperatures, etc). You are right though-most people don’t bother with such details. In the same way that most aren’t into specialty coffee. Or aren’t into manual brewing. Or just don’t care about anything beyond instant. The argument from popularity… anyway, cheers

Maybe you missed this in the video but I specifically said that all of these brewers are meant to use Hario V60 papers and mimic the performance of an actual Hario dripper. If a given brewer requires a different grind size, it has by definition deviated from the gold standard, i.e. the Hario V60. But if a brewer doesn't require changes to grind size or technique, it has by definition more closely adhered to the same gold standard design. Since all 3 of these brewers are intended to mimic a V60, it's more than reasonable to proclaim the one that deviated the least to be the winner. Think about it, you wouldn't need to switch grind size or technique if you went from one glass V60 to an identical glass V60. So if an alternative brewer gives identical performance, doesn't that give it a better score than one which brews differently? Honestly man, I don't understand how all this equates to my perspective on my preferred brewer being equal to pandering to instant coffee drinkers 🤣

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Yup!

Well, I think saying it's the same a Mr Coffee shows why you don't understand why people pay a premium for pour over: you have come to this opinion likely without actually having tasted pour over, especially pour over made with specialty coffee. Mr Coffee and similar inexpensive automatic coffee makers do not taste the same for a few simple reasons. 1. They pour the water in such a way as to over-extract the grounds in the center and under-extract the coffee on the edges. 2. They brew with boiling water which extracts better than even just slightly cooler water, exacerbating the bitterness caused by point one. 3. No one who uses a Mr Coffee uses a scale to measure their coffee grounds measures the proper ratio for great taste or even understands that this is even a thing. And finally, basically no one who uses a Mr Coffee fresh grinds their coffee to the correct grind size or uses properly roasted fresh coffee. The flavor difference between a cheap automatic coffee maker and a proper pour over is like comparing stevia to quality cane sugar. You might be fine with stevia, but literally NOBODY thinks it tastes anywhere close to as good as real cane sugar. Cheers!

Thank you, glad you liked it! Here you go: www.etsy.com/listing/1360577183/coffee-tasters-flavor-wheel-poster?gpla=1&gao=1&&CjwKCAjw_4S3BhAAEiwA_64Yhl--1nk0rkGsKWcppZNZSZwEej1_PRQ2wb2ERKf8vcjKZ2NgkVaLFBoCLyAQAvD_BwE_k_&:pla-293946777986_c__1360577183_5316673255&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw_4S3BhAAEiwA_64Yhl--1nk0rkGsKWcppZNZSZwEej1_PRQ2wb2ERKf8vcjKZ2NgkVaLFBoCLyAQAvD_BwE

A great idea if you want to filter out any of the coffee oils!

I appreciate your passion, but I must disagree with your statement that what I made is cowboy coffee. According to cowboy Kent Rollins, cowboy coffee is made using a pot of boiling water, not merely boiled water in a pitcher. Also, cowboy coffee doesn't typically involve breaking or scooping the crust because a crust can't form in actively boiling water. Therefore, calling what I made cowboy coffee is a disservice to both cupping (which is WAY older than cowboys or the USA!) and cowboy coffee which is fundamentally different from what I made. And if you're going to come at a hipster (scatological or otherwise) make sure you're right or you might get owned again by a hipster

I see your point!

Good idea for a video!

Scoop it into the trash or compost

That's what I do.

Glad you liked it! No, it was fridge chilled.

Me too! It was a gift from my wife.

Glad you enjoyed it!

I agree!

Yes it is!

less sediment, fewer oils and less robust flavor.

Actually, it gives more even extraction by slowing the flow of water out of the puck. When the fines from a high flow area meet the paper it slows down the water and forces it through areas of the coffee puck with lower flow. You end up with a higher extraction because you prevent channeling. Any claimed loss of flavor through filtering is not only made up for but actually massively outweighed by the overall higher flavor production when using a filter paper.

I filled to the valve.

No

If you want the best performance, yes. But you don't have to use it. It helps the water flow very evenly through the coffee and filters out any ultrafine grit from the final cup. Not necessary, but helpful.

Oh really? I am sorry to hear that. We have two little ones and it can be very hard sometimes. I have found that I can make time to brew coffee if I give our two year old a stool so he can stand at the counter and watch me. Sometimes it's not about getting them out from under foot but instead about making them feel included in what we are doing.

I couldn't agree more. The thing is built like a tank, has a tiny footprint, runs as smooth as a Cadillac and just hogs through beans like a beast. The only thing I dislike is the huge power brick. But I guess that's the trade off with the small footprint.

Glad it was helpful!

Thank you!!

We are so happy to hear that!

Working in a kitchen it’s close enough to consider it the same when measuring any water or alcohol based liquid: Milk Vinegar Liquor etc. Any measurement of those kind of liquids can be considered equal with water and measured by weight on a scale. Yes they will be slightly different than exactly 1:1 but they will be so close as not actually matter.

This is a really good piece of advice!

grr math makes me angry

If you mean "making it take less steps and making coffee so good it will give you a smile" then, yes!

Use the ratio 1:16

60 grams of coffee per liter of water.

Sarah is correct here, but if you click through to the linked video you will get a full and easy to understand explanation.

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Not everyone has 30 years of experience making coffee, and not everyone wants to carefully learn the skill of brewing delicious coffee simply by eyeballing it and using their intuition. That takes dedication and LOTS of experience, something that feels a bridge too far for many people, especially just to get a nice cup of coffee every morning. Actually, most people just want coffee without guesswork (or just plain "work" at all, really) or developing the skill you have clearly acquired over many years of experience. And that's where techniques like this come in: no guesswork, hardly any skill using a kitchen tool (a scale) that costs about $10. Far from being "fancy" it's the simplest, fastest, and easiest way to get what you want, which for most of us is insurance that our morning cup of Joe won't taste bad. It takes no extra time, it takes less effort, (especially mental effort!) and gives you great coffee the first time - Every. Single. Time. Remember, not everybody has your skill and intuition. Some of us need tools to help along the way!

That's right! Set the Chemex on a kitchen scale and it's easy to get the amount right. And the "about 36g" is in reference to the rule: bloom your coffee (extract the CO2) with 2X the weight of coffee grounds you are brewing. Simple and easy.

I was with you on the water weight, but then you switched to ml and made me sad. Unless a ml weighs 1 gram? No idea. Thus my sadness.

A ml of water and a gram of water DO weigh the same!

I do too! There seem to be a lot of commenters who view making coffee like this to be an annoying chore. But just like cooking something from scratch, with the right perspective, making it is half of the enjoyment. Plus, what's 3 minutes out of your morning routine? Especially when it means you can drink coffee that tastes 10x better than what a machine can make. . .

@@KonaEarthCoffee I agree with you! It seems there's way too many lazy people. Heck, even in a hurry I was able to brew my morning coffee like that

#notthathard lol

I completely agree! I made a tutorial all about adjusting grind size and temperature to get the best flavor. th-cam.com/video/T__TuWUFOQA/w-d-xo.html

Hey, I will take that compliment. Jeff is great!

I mean... that's a little like comparing a microwave dinner to something you hand made yourself. Efficiency is something, but it isn't everything!

What machine do you use?

@KonaEarthCoffee A Krups EA816170. It does a good job of making what I'd call a long espresso.

@@KonaEarthCoffeeHe‘s also bored of the coffee making

I think you might be right lol

@KonaEarthCoffee I answered, but for some reason, TH-cam decided not to post it.

Instant has its place but, pour over coffee seems way harder than it is when explaining it to someone. But it's basically rinse, dump, pour, pour enjoy. takes 2.5 minutes and tastes incredible. There's a reason why people don't consider it too much of a bother and go through the steps. It's worth it!

That's why I have two types of coffee. Nespresso cups for the morning and beans for when I have more time (like on my boss's time when working from home)

Exactly!

Thank you for the feedback! There are several different formats of videos we produce (each for different platforms) and some have music and some don't. This particular video is a quick mix of clips from those different formats and use cases so, there is a bit less continuity in the audio of each section when compared to the more specialized content. Sorry for the irritation. Cheers!

@@KonaEarthCoffee no worries..just trying to share to enhance your viewership .. continued success 🙏

Thank you!

That's also a great way to think about it!

FTW! ☕

Yes, that's how the real ones are. This one was handmade by somebody on Etsy (for only $10!!) and that's why it doesn't have a plate on the bottom. ☕

Maybe... and this is just a suggestion... try taking up coffee making as a hobby? 😁 Though, some commenters should probably stick to decaf, there's enough energy there already... ☕☕

It works great!

I think you'll find that it's "waste" of life, not "wast" of life. But I guess, considering that it takes 2½ minutes to brew coffee like this, I'm ok with a little wasteful expenditure of a minute here or there if it means having delicious coffee now and again. Cheers! ☕

Guilty! 🤣

you clearly never had coffee brewed like this

@@Hsdias I have and went cold every time

You just have to wait 2 more weeks and we will be releasing a full length episode comparing Japanese style iced coffee to cold brew.

Thank you!

Here you go! th-cam.com/video/5ATqqdZbJ34/w-d-xo.html

@@KonaEarthCoffee please don't talk to me.

​@@ChicagocoffeeukThat's a great advertisement, right here...😐

You ok, bro? I mean that seriously. I've only ever seen somebody with your energy on one of my channels once before and it turned out the guy had just been fired and dumped. I have no idea what's going on in your world but, I mean you no offense, rudeness or disingenuousness. If you have stuff going on I completely understand, I'm not offended and you don't have to like my content. You just seem like you really want to hurt somebody. I saw what you called me (I had to delete it for the brand, they don't want profanity) but all I heard was somebody in pain and bitterness. If you need somebody to talk to I'm happy to get in touch privately. Seriously. No one has ever walked a step in your shoes but that doesn't mean that nobody cares or can understand well enough to be a friend. I hope you're ok. Cheers ☕

You could... but I think it would taste pretty sour unless you grind super fine. And then the paper is going to clog. I'm actually filming tomorrow comparing espresso alternatives, should be good info for you.

@@KonaEarthCoffee Thanks, I’ll keep updated!

Pressure is required for espresso, stupid.

The water will just extract less coffee. Espresso works because it uses crazy high pressures

We will be releasing a video next month (should be Coffee Talk Ep. 6) all about getting espresso taste out of things like a Moka Pot, Cezve etc