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As a Celestial player I think it's best to focus on building a stronger economy Vs a vanguard player, so you can produce more units compared to them to overwhelm the Exo ball, as the vanguard should always be able to trade more efficiently with their units. In the early game Kri perform well when the Exo ball is small, especially if mixing in Cabals to slow enemy units so they can't run away with their spell, and in the mid game Animancers are better than Sabers as they deal more aoe damage to multiple units, but in the late game the general consensus is Vanguard is stronger as Atlas's and Helicarriers hard counter units that counter exo balls. So if you get into a late game, your best bet is to have more bases and a stronger economy, so you can take less efficient fights and keep remaxing afterwards, in much the same way a zerg would play against a terran in sc2. Hopefully that's helpful! A dedicated Celestial player might be able to offer more specific advice.

Thanks @nilius90 ❤️ I've been on a bit of a hiatus waiting to see what this new patch would bring, but now that it's out hopefully I'll get back to releasing a more regular schedule of content.

@@Dansible I like to hear it, even as a RTS veteran and very active Stormgate player its always nice to hear small details that you didnt already know about :)

I definitely feel like the Sc2 Armor values felt more impactful, at least on a psychological basis. Such as when a Zerg Ultralisk would have 6 Armor, and a Marine in your army only deals 6 damage, you get the feeling that the Ultralist is basically invincible and how that's crazy, when in reality all units will also deal a minimum amount of damage, even when a units armor is greater than actual attack. Having a higher armor value somehow seems less cool and abstract within Stormgate, but that may be my own personal bias from playing Sc2 for 14 years, and someone coming from a game such a League of Legends may have a difference opinion as they are more used to that sort of armor system and it's relative value.

@@Dansible I completely agree a supply cap of 5v5 or 10 does make it a very relative value versus; SG having a supply cap of 300v300 or 600 😄.

Thank you so much! Stay tuned for more soon 😁

I think Exo's in general are quite difficult for Infernal players to deal with, and could very well be on the nerf list in next week's content patch. Definitely Hellborn are great against Exo's when you are able to get to them, as they can't dodge their shots like they can do when against Atlas's, and severally outrange them. In the early/mid game though, as a general principle, Exo's are strongest when there is only one attack path for enemy units to approach them, as they can easily stutter step away from a single army and Micro to their fullest. However, if you could step up flanks and surrounds, either from behind or from multiple attack paths, this can be a good way to catch the Exo's out, which are very weak units when pounced on and aren't able to avoid damage all together. But that is not the easiest thing to do depending on where your getting attacked, and works best when you have more units in general than the Vanguard player to set up a big surround. I'm thinking I might do a separate video on Terrain in the near future, to show how it can impact engagements and give the advantage to composition that would otherwise lose on equal ground, so if you'd be interested in that let me know. 😀

@@Dansible yeah personally I would love a video on terrain or more generally unit positioning since it seems to play a big role in stormgate since all the units are so unique and require different positioning

Atlas's can work quite well at focusing them down if you manually target them, as they outrange the Animancers by quite a lot. Most players will use an Evac to help reposition the Atlas's more easily without having to un siege them each time, which you can use to drop the Atlas's in front of your army to take pot shots at a Celestial player, before picking them back up and retreating. Or alternatively Helicarries can work well if you can get to them, as their Bombing run ability will also allow you to take pot shots at a Celestial army while safely out of range of it.

I know, its not very intuitive at all. Maybe one day they could have the % damage reduction stated alone with a units armor value when hoovering your mouse over it during a game, so people wouldn't have to work that out themselves

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To be frank, I would expect changes to be made to the Vanguard vs Celestial match up with the next major content patch coming out on the 17th of September, as the Celestials seems quite overturned against Vanguard generally, especially with things like Kri. If you are facing people just spamming nothing but Kri, investing heavily into Hornets can work, and have been used in quite a few pro games recently, as they also seem decent against Scythe's if on an equal economy. But if your opponent is mixing in lots of Argents as well, the Hornets will likely underperform if you're both on equal economies, as the Argents will be more cost efficient. Other than that, you can try to stay equal in expansions and just try to turtle at home with mainly Exo's and Medtechs behind walls and structure to limit their exposure to melee units, and try to survive until you can start producing Helicarrier, as they can be incredible strong vs Celestials and hard to counter if you also have an army of Exo's and Mechtech to protect them. But turtling will likely result in your opponent taking all the camps on the map and expanding their economy as much as they like, which is why the match seems rather impossible for the Vanguard at the moment.

Best counter I've found is vulcans but only in a defensive stance, since the bulkiness and the AOE works wonders vs Kri as long as the kri HAVE to fight the vulcans. And in case lots of kri die on top of the vulcans, the exploding kri have no collision so its always an option to rocket jump out of the explosions

Indeed, the main reason to wall off currently in the game is amplify the range advantage of your units, but if your opponent has units with equal or greater range it wont help much, other than to delay your opponent getting into your base. The Stormgate Dev's have talked about adding high ground advantage to the game, in which they plan to use a similar system seen in Sc1, where you can shoot back at units firing at you, but there is a 47% chance your shot will completely miss your target, which would arguably give an even greater high ground advantage compared to Sc2. Why this system isn't already in the game though is a bit bizarre, as I'm not sure how complicated it would be too add, but I believe they said it would be coming with early access, so we'll have to see when it arrives.

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Thanks! I think the reason stated as to why they went with this Armor system was mainly for co-op as they could never get sc2 Armor to scale well in high level mutations

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To my knowledge there isn't currently a way to find that out within the game, which is frustrating. You might be able to look up each unit online, but the damage bonuses for each unit will always be unique and different and usually not double. For example the scout's base attack is 8 damage, but it's bonus attack is another +16 to light.

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Definitely, especially when you're in the middle of fighting or multitasking and you don't have time to find a specific worker

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It would ultimately depend on what level the person is playing at and how much they want to optimize their build order. If a player is not consistently building workers, or frequently getting supply blocked early into the game, these would be much bigger issues to fix before considering spending any multitasking on these kind of worker tricks. For me personally, I've made the most out of these tricks when the game has been very aggressive and both sides have been stuck on one base, and I am desperately trying to save enough to afford my next expansion. In these sorts of games, I think placing 14 workers on a mine (using these tricks) is worthwhile, but outside of that I would stick to 12 on a mine and just keep expanding when I get oversaturated.

Thanks! The 3rd worker when added to a center node, will contribute an additional 40 Luminite per minute compared to 2 workers, for a total of 80 on both nodes. The 3rd worker on an outside node, will contribute an additional 56 luminite per minute on average compared to 2, for a total of 112 on both nodes. I would note that 40 luminite per minute it not bad for a worker, and I would say it is definitely worth adding an additional 11th and 12th worker later on (even when initially using the tricks in the video), as the average worker mines around 50 luminite a minute, between all the different nodes.

Hi @msrm55! Thanks for the video idea 😀 The faction that this would effect most is the Infernal, as they are the only ones currently that can't make a cheaper dedicated Therium collection structure. To do some quick math just for fun, assuming your mining with 12 workers on a luminite mine, they will collect on average 616 Luminite per minute at the normal 90 degree angle, If you were to place your base on the corner of a mine instead, they would gather an average 552 per minute (from what I've just tested), which will earn you 64 less Luminite per minute. For the vanguard, since a scrap yard is only 100 Luminite, it would be better in the long run to place your command post as close as possible and build a separate scrapyard next to the Therium, as you will be in profit in about 1 minute and 30 seconds, and after that you will still be able to gather Luminite more efficiently for the rest of that mines life span, which is about 13 minutes if mining with 12 workers the whole time. I haven't really talked about this during this or my Enriched Therium video, but placing a structure directly next to the Therium also makes quite a big difference in their efficiency as well, as it takes about 7 workers to mine 187.5 Therium per minute (which is the rate it spawns new lumps) where as you only need 4 workers if you place a scrapyard or Shrine touching the deposit. But as you say, there are probably others who want to know these trades off so maybe it would be good to do a video on this in the near future!

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Certainly in the future, but the meta is so volatile at the moment that it would be difficult to create a build order that would be relevant for more than just a few days, especially while they're doing weekly patches. I am planning to start a longer form fundamentals series soon though, alongside these short videos, that will be aimed at how to improve proper core mechanics, such as Macro, Scouting, Decisions making, Unit Counters, etc, which will start probably by next week!

@@Dansible Awesome, thank you!

Hi Sergio! I've just gone to double check this and you're right. Brutes don't seem to be able to pass through trees .They also seem to be no longer a small unit at all and cannot pass through the same gaps other small units once could. Which is strange because I specifically remember testing if the Brute could fit through a 1 square gap, and it did at the time of recording this video. At least in the Februrary 2024 Open play test, Brutes originally counted as large units and couldn't pass through trees etc, so maybe when they pre released the game on July 30, Brutes being able to squeeze through a 1 square gap was potentially a bug, which they've now fixed with the lasted patch they had on Thursday. Or potentially I've just made a silly mistake and they never counted as a small unit :D. Thanks for correction regardless, I'll pin your comment and this reply so others can see it in the future for clarification.

@@Dansible They changed some things related to pathing on the last patch (8th of august?) could be that too, who knows :P

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