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Yes! I knew I wasn't the only one!

You might be better than the average player. Plus he was talking about Elden Ring too. But just because a game is easy to you does not make it an easy game automatically.

@MattackGaming think Asmongolds trolling mostly, acting like a get good guy on purpose. But who knows, wouldnt take everything he says top serious. But who knows. Id say Elden Ring is harder than most games. Elden Ring is not codys vacation im the white house thats for sure! XD

I definitely respect their effort and I hope that they continue and make more. But I think honest opinions are important when you start out so you know where to improve. But I have to disagree about the combat. Some soulslikes are similar to Bleak Faith in jankyness. But many are much better. Thymesia is one that comes to mind. In my opinion, if you are going to make a soulslike start at the combat. Make that smooth as butter and then build around it with the rest of your idea. But Combat is the foundation of every good soulslike.

You might just be better than the average player. Even if Lies of P is harder, that doesn't mean that the Souls games aren't hard. It just means that there are harder games.

You are correct. But Soulsborne games are just the source of soulslikes. They are essentially the same genre. just in a higher place of honor in my opinion.

Any kind of no hit run would be an achievement for me. But Thats cuz I suck at them😂 But yes, for the average gamer it feels very unfair when you first jump into a souls game. I think that means something.

​@@MattackGaming well thats what it looks like " an achievement " but in reality its similar to those basketball trick shots you see , they try it 1000 times but the one you see is where they succeed lol if you really want to measure skill watch those guys first blind playthrough they do . and i'm not going to lie they are better than me BUT nowhere near as good as the no hit run makes them look .. so yeah if you or i or any other average souls player were to practice for 1000 hours for a no hit run i am 100% Sure we would get close to what they do . we don't do it because 1. not enough time 2. lack of interest in getting this kind of run done because i don't want to fight a single boss for numerous hours just to memorise every frame of his moves and not get hit by him ..

@ yeah. That makes a lot of sense. I have been watching no hit run streams lately and don’t get me wrong, they have my respect. But when you think of a no hit run you think of someone perfectly timing everything and being a complete god at the game. But in reality it’s a lot of cheese strats and only using skill at certain keys points where they have no choice.

To you as well!

That's interesting. But Sekiro complies with my definition as well.

Cursed to play a straight banger with no head to bang for eternity 😂

Yeah. I would pass unless you are a Soulslike fanatic that loves exploration and doesn’t mind some jank.

Yeah. but in all fairness, his point is that because he can do those things to make it easy, therefore the game is not hard.

I agree! But at least it looks like we are guaranteed 3!

I think his point is that because he could do that, that means the games aren’t hard.

Got lucky 😂

I think you are failing to make a distinction between very hard games, and hard games. I do not believe that the souls games are the hardest games, or even close. But to say they aren’t hard because you can make build that make it more forgiving is a stretch IMO.

@MattackGaming I don't enjoy hard games, I get frustrated easily, dark souls isn't hard

@@Ytinasniiable well, I believe you. But what you consider to be hard (at least judging by the games you listed before) is what most people would call very hard or impossible.

Many people try most or all of that and still have a hard time.

Sometimes I wonder if people say they aren't hard just so they can give a list of the bosses that were easy to them😂

That’s great and everything. Good for you. But that just means you are a better player than the average gamer.

I agree. Sekiro forces you to fight most bosses and gives much fewer ways to cheese.

Skill is not the only metric for determining a hard game. You can play souls games in a way that does require skill. But even when you don’t, you then have to create a build that negates skill which is essentially a puzzle. Now you can look up the solution to the puzzle. But that doesn’t mean the puzzle isn’t hard. If it did, there would be no such thing as a hard puzzle.

lol it’s not worth his time to react to a no name like me 😂

@@MattackGaming If someone posts a video in his sub reddit and people upvote it, he often will react to it. You might get banned from other subs if you post in asmond's sub so you might want to use a throwaway account if you do post there.

@ I appreciate it. But I’m not trying to view farm Asmon. I just thought I have an interesting perspective and thoughts on this topic. But, if he wants to react to it I’m all for it! I’d love to hear his response.

A hard game is challenging. I’m not sure what you mean.

​@@MattackGaming A hard game feels unbalanced, unfair, or overly punishing just for the sake of being punishing. Miyazaki made sure the games wouldn't feel that way and made you still want to continue and feel like you're getting better and feel a sense of accomplishment, that was the point if you actually listen to what he says. The hitboxes in the games are quite good and the combat is satisfying to play. There's clear rules. A hard game is where it almost feels like it's luck-based rather than winning through strategy or skill and is punishing just for the sake of being punishing. Try Silver Surfer on the NES. I was going to say maybe it's an age thing but there's plenty of indie games now that are considered to be hard now so it's not really an excuse to not know the difference.

@@bgill7475 You are describing what I would call very hard games. Just because there are games that are harder than souls games does not mean the souls games aren't hard. Players that are use to playing very hard games are of course going to see games that are hard to average gamers as easy games. It's a perspective issue. Much of what you described as what a true hard game is, is exactly how many average gamers describe the souls games.

You just described a hard game. You have to learn and practice. You can use some items to make some enemies easier. But in many cases you still have to execute. And in extreme cases where you gather a build that just wrecks a boss, that’s where my point about puzzle games comes in. Essentially I am making a two part argument. If you play the game on the skill route, it’s hard. If you play by builds that cheese, it’s a puzzle game and still hard to figure out.

@MattackGaming if that's 'hard' I don't know what to tell you... Sounds like a fun time to me.. I don't want a game that holds my hand and gives me a checkpoint every 30 seconds.. I'm from the SNES/Super Nintendo day... Games today are designed for mentally incapable individuals that need to be spoon-fed the information and can't think for themselves.. they need the game to show flashing lights and arrows saying 'GO HERE' and having your character and allies say.. hey MC we do this that.. or the answer to the puzzle is such and such... They don't even give you 30 seconds to attempt to figure the puzzle out... Then literally hand you the answer... If we go by that then yea holy hell, Elden ring is the most difficult game in the history of modern games.. is it actually hard? No hell no, I've no hit bosses, first attempt bosses, and no boss in this game has even taken more than 6 attempts.

I actually covered Ainrun not to long ago when he beat the DLC with 1HP, 1FP, and 1 STAM. He a real one

@MattackGaming yea, he also got most damage while in combat ig, approx 105k and on radahn who is has resistance over everything

I agree! It gives you something to work for.

It’s a figure of speech. I didn’t say “not hard at all” in its literal sense. As in it literally has no hard parts. Just that he was stating that it wasn’t a hard game. I will admit, I should have been more clear. Also, non of my edits changed anything he said in the full video (which I also linked in the description so people can hear it from the source). I just cut out long pauses. Now to your point about really hard games. Bringing up examples of harder games, or games that are top 1% in difficulty. Does not make all other games beneath them not hard. It just means that there is an other level above hard. Now you could lump hard and very hard together I guess. In which cases almost all games aren’t hard. But that is a definition that caters to the top 1% of players and isn’t very meaningful considering most player are no where close to that level.

@@MattackGaming I appreciate the reply. I can agree with most of what you say except for the fact that the 1% is not relevant. Maybe in any given game you dont have an incentive of servicing much to the top 1% of your playerbase (even though they are important for the ecosystem aswell) . But when you are talking about the whole market, you can target the top 1% of the most hardcore players as your whole palyerbase. So in that sense a market for the top 1% of players actually exist. There are many insanely hard games that the majority of ppl will never touch, but a lot of hardcore players play and pay for it and the game is profitable. In whatever case , my main point is that its all about relevance. Depending on the context half of the players might not be relevant, while in another context the 1% of the players might be relevant. All im saying is that compared to the hardest games in the market, the majority of games are easier. You say that they cant magically become easy games just because the top 1% hardest games exist, but thats exactly how relevance works. Hard and easy are relative terms, how are you gonna use these words if not compared to the easiest and hardest games on the market? What is your criteria gonna be if we remove the extreme points? Yes this is just semantics . But semantics are important

@@romansidiropoulos7033 I get where you are coming from. But I would say that I am not removing the extremes at all. I am simply putting them in the proper category. Souls games belong in the "hard" category while there is a whole sect of games that belong in the "very hard" category. So when he said the souls games aren't hard, I believe that is a mis-categorization. Because that would put them in the average or easy category. Which I believe is wrong due to all the points I addressed in the video. You are right that there is a market for very hard games. But just because a game doesn't match their difficulty, doesn't make it not hard. It makes it not "very hard".

Souls games don’t have to be the hardest games to be hard games. Also, difficulty fiends usually have an above average skill level.

We don’t know yet. But I bet not.

I’m not sure. I would imagine it took forever though.

i was there and yes it was.

I don’t think so. He seemed pretty serious. The full video in linked in the description.

He tells it like he sees it😂

Exactly! I quit the first time I played Dark Souls 3 and didn’t go back for years. And a lot of people have done the same. I think just from a look around you type of argument you can clearly see they are hard games.

Yeah. I think on a surface level it kinda makes sense. But once you examine it a little deeper it falls apart.

First of all people suck at playing world of warcraft even tho it's the easiet game :D I can tell you cause i easily PUG higher keys in m+ and clear raid on release with no problem..yet there are people progressing HC 6 months Exactly these kinds of people struggle with souls games as any other games.. Gaming is a hobby you gonna become good at it if you like it :D some people just saw it on internet and they are like OMG i need to try this.

I think his personality just naturally starts drama lol

Well isn’t that something😂

I agree. Once you learn the deflect timing Sekiro starts to flow.

@ Yeah I won’t lie the deflection stuff at first was tough but then you realize it becomes the whole game and like you said it’s a flow. That’s kinda why I like regular Souls games because it’s not just one skill you have to work on but a bunch of skills. Elden Ring to this day was the hardest Souls game ever because I refused to use Spirit Ashes at all. I was arrogant enough to try and fight Malenia with melee only, level 150 or 160 and it took me MONTHS to beat her. In Sekiro Isshin to me was the hardest boss in the game and it only took me like an hour to beat him.

I think he is saying that because you can do that, that means the game is easy. Problem is that that doesn’t follow logically

@MattackGaming true

I just saw his build he used. At least it looked cool lol

You proved his point, you had a bad build. He didn't.

Yes. That's the point. Skill is not a requirement.

I think his point is that because you can cheese the game is easy. Which is ridiculous IMO.

Exactly. That is what most players remember when they think of the Souls games

I never watched his playthroughs. Did he die a lot?

so he looks up how to cheese bosses then says its easy?

It’s my cross to bear😂

Well, you might be a better than average player

Did he really??

I was gonna say this exact thing...

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Was it shield poke? I thought it was Guard Counter with a hammer weapon + thumbprint shield

@@MattackGaming yeah he is honestly pretty bad at the souls games and he relies on cheese builds to get through them, which is why he's never beaten Sekiro.