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yeah, I forgot to make sure that stuff is stocked. I like the idea of producing repair kits on board, it's a good way to use some copper. I pitch a lot overboard. also, I ended up having to abort my attempt, and the one after that. I did a partial platform rebuild and I'm attempting again and am currently at about 350K and still going. Interesting factoid, though... Something you have to consider if you decide to turn back. Your speed will be 20 k/s faster on the way back because the "sun's" gravity is working with you instead of against you. So on the way back, my speed on one engine went from 30 k/s (which in the dense asteroids was barely slow enough) on the way out to 50 k/s on the way back in. I had to turn the engine on and off to avoid damage.

@@JoMomma1973 Huh, interesting. I never considered gravity,

@@BoredBob I first noticed it when I paused on the trip out, that my speed did not go to zero. It settled at -10 k/s... I presume it's gravity, like when you go between planets... you initially go one speed, but about halfway, you get a speed boost. I guess because you're exiting the origin planet's gravity well and entering that of your destination planet. Its a guess, I have not found any documentation to verify that.

@@MassiveDynamic9 i totally didn't think of that! Lol that might help a lot!

@@MassiveDynamic9 thanks! Lol almost bought it on the return trip!

@@JoMomma1973 I died at the edge of the galaxy on my first trip out there. I'm truing to get an automatic prometheum ship running now. Been working on it all weekend, almost have it working.

@MassiveDynamic9 cool. I'm just trying to get any ship that can make the trip safely. The biter egg supply chain is also a bit of a crap storm... I just know I'm going to end up with biters in space...

@@JoMomma1973 Yeah biters in space is a thing, but a couple of tesla towers with a few lasers makes quick soup of them

@@BoredBob thanks man! Seriously, I can't believe what a close shave it was, and I thought I had brought so much extra ammo! And yeah, quality management needs to be my next goal. I've totally ripped up the front of Odysseus and am redesigning the internals. Belts got plugged from having too much of one byproduct when I needed the other, so Asteriod processing stopped. Need to keep that from happening. And better use of combinators and other circuits would help too. I gotta figure that out before I can quit lol

@@BoredBob and yeah, heat from power! One of the most basic things human do with electricity, there's no capability in the game! Odd.

So far it's working!

@@AnotherNullUser yeah! I did not think that through!

yup, totally looking into this... I didn't realize rockets wouldn't get the big ones!

@@BoredBob oh good point! They do have a power limit. I'd forgotten that!

@@JoMomma1973 Yeah, me too. Crashed the whole factory when I installed a Cryogenic plant and the power draw kicked on all the turbines and then they all shut down and wouldn't restart for love nor money from too much demand. Ripped it all out and rebuilt it on the fly.

All of the finite researches are complete! Now I have to design and build a big edge of the system ship. Fission reactors connections are an interesting Tetris puzzle.

@BoredBob ah cool! I know I'm close, but not sure how close. Haven't made any Promethium science yet.

@@JoMomma1973 Me either but I unlocked the tech so now it's just time to get there and do it. I'm currently building railgun turrets to build a ship with.

@@BoredBob lol

@@BoredBob oh cool! Yeah, I do have one train, bringing solid fuel out and Florine brine in. Not sure how much remote heat i could support

@@JoMomma1973 Look at rocket fuel. You can make it on planet and it's more bang per unit so you can carry more out to your outposts. I'm running a single double headed 5 car train. 2 tankers and 2 cargo. It cycles through each fluid and when I have enough at home the pickup and drop off stations turn off so it takes them out of the cycle until needed. I'm also running 30 steam turbines off the heat but don't have much of a load so it's not eating fuel for them.

@BoredBob ah! I will!

@@JoMomma1973 I had to reset the heat on the tower feeding the turbines to 600c. 500c is right at the turbine operating limit so when the tower falls under that I was having power losses. 600 seems to let the inserters get fuel in before it goes too low. For the outposts that are just there for heating 500 is working well and with 2 epic level chem plants I'm making enough rocket fuel to run everything including the outposts and the train. So looks like rocket fuel is the way to go but it helps to have some on hand as a buffer until you build up a supply.

@@BoredBob sweet! Bring long inserters, concrete, a ton of solar cells just to get you started, then classic boilers and steam engines to make power once you have thawed water. The hardest part was figuring out how to melt ice without power. Solar cells made it happen.

Oh, and of course, heat pipes. Then later you can use heat exchangers and turbines. It took a while, but I'm finally there. Saves on solid fuel usage

@@JoMomma1973 I still need to set up my explosives chain on Fulgora but until then I can ship it in. Because of the free concrete and all the materials for making things it's going to be my gateway port. The plan fo explosives is to convert one of the ice space platforms over to a coal synthesis/ explosives operation with advanced carbonic asteroid crushing. Then I'll just have to ship in reactor fuel.

@@BoredBob Yeah, I only just realized that was a possibility. The next platform will have those features, I think.

@@JoMomma1973 I recently saw someone fly an entire mini factory into Aquilo that basically makes all the basics in orbit on site. LOL

I cant dump it into the ocean, but I might be able to recycle it! good call. Plus, I can turn it into ice shelf which seems to be working. The killer now is trying to arrange the base so that heat pipes can hit everything without impeding inserters. And yup, missed the pipe, but I'm about to rearrange it all anyway... oi... it's fun, but it sure is a puzzle. And each planet is a different sort of puzzle. They really outdid themselves with this DLC!

you know, I think this is a fantastic excuse to break out some graph paper! on a sort of related but unrelated note, when you DnD, do you use any of those apps that can generate dungeon settings for your games? I know they make some cool ones. I have isometric graph paper so it reminded me...

@@JoMomma1973 Send it to space and dump it there? 1000 per rocket.

@@JoMomma1973 We're pretty old school pen and paper for the most part, mini's and dry erase grid mats for the table. I've been playing around with ChatGPT a bit to help with creating mass filler stuff for my Cyberpunk world like generic nightclubs or gangs or NPCs and that sort of thing and for that it's really quick and handy.

The recycling thing is working very well, actually! Now I'm just trying to balance everything.

I set up ammo production on the deck of my ship so I cant be entirely sure how many it took, but the assemblers state a total of about 1800 produced. I think I need to find a way to make room for more storage on board, and use like 20 slots as a buffer.

@@JoMomma1973 A different alternative is making the explosives on board. You can get sulfur from asteroids. If you use stack (not bulk) inserters for dropping rockets on the belts, you get more storage there too. I think explosive rockets do less single-target damage, but have splash damage. I'm not sure if that's useful for asteroids or not. Consider using normal rockets instead.

Good question! Man, it sure looked like those rocks didn't stop for anything! For the biter thing, yeah, farming them within the base sounds easier. Did you manage to make a spawner in your base somehow?

@@JoMomma1973 I have an island located inside my base that is full of spawners and worms but because it's an island and they can't get me I've left it alone. Now I can use it as my isolated egg area and they can't escape to wreck everything else.

ahh! that! forgot about that!

Oh yeah... totally missed that disconnected heat exchanger! corrected now. And you're right about the spoilage being too little. I vectored some extra fruit up there and it seems to be ok. Thanks for the info! lots of good info here to parse out and play with.

yeah, the spawner egg thing! I researched something, and they starting showing up on my ghost inventory as a thing I can make. I'll need to research that a bit and see what thats all about...

@@JoMomma1973 Looks like they give you biolabs, productivity 3 modules, and access to fusion reactors and rail guns (both turret and personal).

Good call on the labs! I actually ended up setting up spoilage drains on all of them in advance, and it ended up paying off. Protection for the farms is one of my next steps actually....importing some flame ammo as I type this!

@@JoMomma1973 I sent some flamer turrets and some crude oil to add to the laser turrets and projectile turrets.

@@BoredBob ah! Haven't tried fire yet. Haven't run into a medium stomper yet either. I found out this morning that rocket fuel can be made on Gleba, but can you make flamethrower ammo from that? I'll have to look...

@@JoMomma1973 I haven't found a path to flammables on Gleba, so it's an import.

@@BoredBob it didn't degrade a lot. Maybe 10-20%... that should drop if I can speed up the overall process. I'm also considering the same idea... moving every other science. I tested the Moebius and it's spacious and fast, so I might use that. Saves me from having to locally produce rockets on Gleba as well.

@@JoMomma1973 Yeah I can see making rockets getting hard quick.

That's not recommended because of the biolab... you can always just ship more agricultural science packs

@@googoogaagaayt Regardless of where you are doing science you have to ship some portion of the science somewhere. Shipping from Gleba means less effective packs when they get there as well as the issue of resources to build rockets on Gleba to ship from. Shipping to Gleba means you are shipping science that doesn't degrade regardless of travel time and the science stays freshest right from the source on Gleba and additionally it's WAY easier to come up with the resources to make rockets on all the other planets. So I'm not sure why you would say that shipping science to Gleba isn't recommended vs shipping science from Gleba. I'm curious why that's your view.

@@BoredBob @googoogaagaayt I was wondering what you meant as well, so did a little googling and found a thread on steam forums about decaying agri packs and there someone mentioned the biolabs (which can only be placed on Nauvis). So they replace science labs and they have "Science pack drain: 50%" so you get more from each pack, makes sense then to ship them to Nauvis even with the decay, especially I guess if you can create higher quality agri packs. - This is what you meant @googoogaagaayt?

@@BoredBob oh man, glad I brought lasers then! I might have to get nuke power working there. If I ship all my sciences there, maybe I can bring nuke fuel at the same time....hmmmm....

Nice!! That's actually the first science fiction movie I remember seeing, even before Star Wars. I was imagining some kind of sewage belt that would pull spoilage, so I can totally see that belt working. Now I just need to get the rest of the process sorted! lol I could also see spoilage being used to fuel the heat towers. Heat towers seem to be the "sink" for Gleba...

@@JoMomma1973 Yes it seems to me that the towers are your void after you have too much spoilage to turn into nutrients but because that isn't always going to be the case I think as far as power goes they are more supplementary than primary. I placed a filtered splitter (spoilage priority X) on the end of all my belts as well as the inserters to take from out of my machines that way anything that goes bad waiting on the belt doesn't stop up the system flow. The nutrient machines won't use their own product to power them but I put them in pairs side by side with dual inserters so that they feed each other. It seems like you are going to have to have 2 belts (a garbage belt and a nutrient belt) or maybe a split belt running throughout the whole factory to make things run. Good practice for when you get to the ice planet I guess and have to run heat pipes to everything to prevent them from freezing.

@@JoMomma1973 Oh and quick reminder. Once you actually get your nutrient production up and running well, bio chambers come with an automatic 50% production bonus so you'll get better than even seed production etc if you use them where you can in place of assemblers.

@BoredBob ahh, awesome. Only just now did i get seed production going. Parity is tough but I think I'm doing it with biochambers. I'm using a ton of bots.

I keep forgetting that search option! But for the ship, I think I need to break out some graph paper and do some designing to make it as compact as possible

@@andutei ah! I must do this!

@@IIMatt_DII yeah, there seems to be a definite advantage to a head shot. Now if I can just control my itchy trigger finger from always firing that extra nuke!

​@@JoMomma1973Sure feels like they take bonus damage to the head, nukes are cool and all but nuclear reactor mines is my personal favourite way to go

@@Frozen_Hope I wanna try that one of these days!

@@BoredBob oh! Is that i tech i need to research, or can I just try it?

@ pretty sure just do it I think. Might be once you have the “do this” techs. It’s done in a chem plant. First step to getting water there. Ore and acid give you steam and then steam gives you water in a second chem plant. But the steam will also run the steam engines.

@@BoredBob Ah! yup, got it. that IS helpful!

@@JoMomma1973 So if I've done my math correctly 1 Calcite makes 10k steam in 5 seconds or 2k steam in 1 second. Each steam engine consumes 30 steam per second. So 1 piece of Calcite and 1k of acid will run 66.67 steam engines from 1 chemical plant. The tech is acid neutralization which you get in the Calcite Processing "do it" research.

@@BoredBob i don't suppose you found a way to bust a medium demolisher? Just recorded an episode climaxing with failing again and again lol

@@JoMomma1973 I did in fact. My first hunting trip I managed to bag like 8. One of them was a medium. Grab em by the tail before they can turn around. I have a blueprint with 5x5 turrets and I've got a pretty high projectile damage research. The inner 6 are filled with uranium rounds and the rest are filled with ap rounds (I figure if they take some out it will be the ones with the ap rounds first that way). I get up beside them at the rear and drop the blueprint down next to them about 1/4-1/3 of the way down their body. It does enough damage to kill them before they get turned around and come back. The smalls are easy that way. The medium might take 2 applications of the blueprint side by side.

@@JoMomma1973 I just un "unlisted" a short hunting clip.

@BoredBob you, caught it! Two with one! Nice pair of kills!

@@BoredBob so checking the steam temp, it's 500 C! Which means you can replace the steam engines with the nuclear power turbines. Same footprint, double the steam consumption, but 6+ times the power output.

@@BoredBob yeah, I gotta mess around some with the quality modules. I hadn't considered that possibility. Also, platforms is another avenue to overcome the gap, but they are a ways off for me yet, science wise.

@@JoMomma1973 I was initially reluctant to go down that rabbit hole until I had the recycler to get rid of stuff but in retrospect it would have been well worth it to start on them as soon as I got them and just crate the unused stuff up until I could dispose of them.

@@IIMatt_DII he did, but thank you! Ima need to check that out!

@@BoredBob hey, so i discovered something helpful. The hardest part of running ops on Fulgora and letting it go autonomous has been managing the recycler output. There's always one or more products that I can't use fast enough and eventually plugs my filter/sorter setup. Like concrete, or even solid fuel! I found that if you break an item down to its base components, then try to recycle those base components, it'll eat a good percentage of those components. If you daisy chain the recyclers, you can make chain of items disappear. It takes about 6 to 8 on a line of solid fuel to eat it away to nothing. So I'm still evaluating the effectiveness of this idea on various components, but so far it has promise. So in my final design, I'm thinking I'll make lots of storage for stuff, but each line will have overflow splitters that lead to daisy chained recyclers. Fingers crossed it'll work! I've got electromagnetic science being made, but the excess crap is killing me.

@@JoMomma1973 Yup you have to recycle it into nothing or send it off planet. In Seablock you get a ton of feedback items that until you need them for another process just keep building up and building up. They have void buildings that automatically poof what's sent to them and I used to make storage to save some for the future and then void the rest. It seems that is the situation here as well. I'm in the process of setting up the sorting and storage thing myself. If I was using mods I'd add the warehouse mod for certain. Instead I've ended up making a tone of steel chests and bulk inserters in a row with a provider chest as the last chest in the chain to send stuff to production. From there I'm probably going to set up some sort of void. So far I've sent back about 1750 in science to get the better lightning poles and mkII roboport. Oh and I mailed a car and a tank with a build grid to Fulgora.....

@BoredBob ah nice! I had forgotten transportation and had to build a tank locally. I haven't introduced bots yet, save for 10 in my personal roboport, but they would help. With all the extra crap I could do that I think! I'm getting a train running that will hopelly reach several scrap islands and keep supply moving even after the first patches thin out. We shall see!

@@JoMomma1973 I hit a 14M patch right next door. I've set up assembler/requestor/provider builders for stuff instead of belts and I'm running around 100 logistic bots at the moment (that's all I brought). I'll be setting up oil stuff soon and then producing them on site.

@@BoredBob you know, bots might be the answer to these loaded islands that are almost too little for train stops and ramps! I like this idea. I see myself hanging out on Fulgora for a while playing around with ideas like that. I'm working on a big round robin train network, and I can totally see bots handling the hard to reach (with trains) islands.

yup! the answers to almost all challenges on Fulgora seem to come though the recycler. The thing spits out tons of gear wheels, so you can turn them into iron. You can turn red chips into plastic bars and copper coils. Copper coils into copper plates. Now I just need to put all these solutions into an efficient system. And I am now convinced that system revolves around trains on elevated rails going island to island.

yeah, I fubared the provider chest thing. forgot to capture copper when I went around and set up providers. It's fixed now, but even then, with recyclers, i need very little from orbit.

@ I just finished up shopping for Fulgora. 50 rocket loads later ship is packed to go.

oh yes! I can totally see the path to self-sustainment here. Also, the recycler gives you ice and solid fuel, so right away, you can get steam power going. And yes, I'm actually now back at Nauvis getting chem plants and fixing holes in my logistic network.

@@JoMomma1973 With accumulators and lightning rods you won't need steam just plenty of accumulators.

I forgot freaking bricks!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! A single solar panel build, an accumulator, and an electric furnace later I can build lightning rods (they come with the initial Fulgora planet research BTW) and the planet is giving me free power.

@BoredBob lol nice save!