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Max Jeganathan - Finding Validation
Imagine there was a place that we could go to get ‘validated’. To be reassured that we are significant, valuable, an approved human being.
Interestingly, most people act as though they think there is. They go to their wardrobes and look for validation in their clothes. They go to work and look for validation in their achievements. They go to their photos and look for validation in their relationships.
The trouble is, those sorts of affirmation are so fleeting. Fashions change. Achievements fade. Photos can only represent the past. They all slowly lose their power to assure us, and in a week’s time we’re likely to wake up and begin the search for validation all over again.
But it’s very human to look for validation. We all want to know that we look ok, that we’re doing ok - in short, that we are ok. We want to know that our experiences and opinions matter. We want to believe we’re an authentic person, living a worthwhile life.
This is much, much more than a pair of shoes can offer. Even Nikes. So where do we go to get the sort of validation that lasts a lifetime?
Some people say lasting assurance lives in a healthy bank account. Others say you find it in healthy children. And still others, in a healthy relationship with God.
In August, come to The Edge with us, and let’s see if we can discover the source of real validation together. We’ve gathered some brilliant minds to help us think through the problem- add yours to the mix! - and discover a source of validation that will not only last the night but will build as the days go by.
Max Jeganathan has an international understanding of the world’s quest for validation. His family came to Australia from Sri Lanka as refugees, and he went on to study law at the Australian National University, and then the University of Oxford. Max became a political and policy analyst, advising the Leader of the Australian Opposition. He is now based in Singapore as the Senior Apologist for the Ravi Zacharias International Ministries where he develops positions on the relationships between faith, politics, public policy, economics and moral reasoning.
Leisa Aitken knows how relationships work. She is a clinical psychologist with a Masters degree from the University of New South Wales. Her post-graduate training includes research into Bowen Family Systems (which explore couple, parent-child and individual relationships), as well as Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (a type of Cognitive Behavioural Therapy). In short, she understands how your relationships impact on you, and what you can do to lessen the shock.
Interestingly, most people act as though they think there is. They go to their wardrobes and look for validation in their clothes. They go to work and look for validation in their achievements. They go to their photos and look for validation in their relationships.
The trouble is, those sorts of affirmation are so fleeting. Fashions change. Achievements fade. Photos can only represent the past. They all slowly lose their power to assure us, and in a week’s time we’re likely to wake up and begin the search for validation all over again.
But it’s very human to look for validation. We all want to know that we look ok, that we’re doing ok - in short, that we are ok. We want to know that our experiences and opinions matter. We want to believe we’re an authentic person, living a worthwhile life.
This is much, much more than a pair of shoes can offer. Even Nikes. So where do we go to get the sort of validation that lasts a lifetime?
Some people say lasting assurance lives in a healthy bank account. Others say you find it in healthy children. And still others, in a healthy relationship with God.
In August, come to The Edge with us, and let’s see if we can discover the source of real validation together. We’ve gathered some brilliant minds to help us think through the problem- add yours to the mix! - and discover a source of validation that will not only last the night but will build as the days go by.
Max Jeganathan has an international understanding of the world’s quest for validation. His family came to Australia from Sri Lanka as refugees, and he went on to study law at the Australian National University, and then the University of Oxford. Max became a political and policy analyst, advising the Leader of the Australian Opposition. He is now based in Singapore as the Senior Apologist for the Ravi Zacharias International Ministries where he develops positions on the relationships between faith, politics, public policy, economics and moral reasoning.
Leisa Aitken knows how relationships work. She is a clinical psychologist with a Masters degree from the University of New South Wales. Her post-graduate training includes research into Bowen Family Systems (which explore couple, parent-child and individual relationships), as well as Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (a type of Cognitive Behavioural Therapy). In short, she understands how your relationships impact on you, and what you can do to lessen the shock.
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I stopped going to church once I found out that it's all false. No amount of doctrinally sound hymns or "proper" worship or "on fire" believers can change the fact that it's all Iron Age nonsense.
Good information. You said that men are more likely to commit DV. Not true. Women are more likely. Men just don't report it. We think it is normal to me yelled at and hit by a woman. Sometimes men have all they can take and strike back. Then they go to jail. My ex-wife was very violent. I was very careful to always walk away. I never went anywhere with her without thinking of a means of escape. It was terrible. Never again.
Man has been in rebellion since the garden, he blamed the woman then and still does today. Notice the spirit of this complaint, the woman you gave me! When God gave the woman she was a gift, she will be the avenue for you to have a family. Just because you are rebellious and resentful and the woman wants to serve the Lord by being obedient to the "go to church" mandate what a hypocrite you make yourself into by saying "I don't go to church and serve the Lord because the family you gave me is there and that offends me!"
I remember going to church regularly in my 20s as a single guy and being treated like I was a loser. Then I got married and went to church regularly, only to be treated like a loser and a fool. Then I stopped going.
HOLY SMOKES! What???
21:00 He is wrong. Because the 2007 Whitaker meta-study using government statistics proves that females are 2.3 times more often the perpetrator of domestic abuse than males. Females know this but won't allow the truth.
Christianity is a music based religion because they sponsored the great music of past generations. They were virtuosos, think the EVH of their generations. Now its the wish version, and about inclusion.
Clearly youtube shadowbanned this man 10 yrs ago 😂😂
The tolerance anarchy, people must accept any kind of twisted abuse or evil, otherwise they discriminante or are hate speakers. Forbiden to reason!🫢🫢🫢🤔🥴
Hmmm... This guy seems to assume that churches are Christian. Been a long time since that was the case. And all those "faithful women". How many of them actually follow the teachings of the bible even in small fundamental issues as OBEYING their husbands...
They're especially allergic to that teaching haha. Love the no sex before marriage part though.
Old church going women are surprisingly randy, if you get my drift!
My greatest regrets in my life are from following the advice of lesser men who were pastors… I own my decisions, I have learned from my mistakes and I have no intention of repeating them… I follow the Lion of Judah, not the sheep of Satan
Female influence in the mainstream churches has resulted in apostacy and heresy being accepted and tolerated. The church has traditionally, until recently, prohibited females from positions of influence for a very good reason, and we are now seeing the disastrous results of allowing them into powerful offices.
I quit going to church because I got tired of being lied to by a devil wearing a suit and tie God has given me a great gift of discernment and has show me you are all liars
The singing part reminds me of SouthPark episode, when Cartman decided to achieve platinum rock album by taking old rock songs about love and s3x and replaced all words "baby" with word "Jesus". Fun times.
Why when I'm just being told I'm bad and all women are good?
This guy is a liar. no one is non-partisan. Whatever he says next is probably b*******
One good way to bring back men would be this: equal weights and measures. Churches coddle women and berate men. Start giving fiery sermons pointed at women and encourage them to be godly. THAT will help bring the men back for sure. Start helping men out by helping them get jobs. I'm not saying give an incompetent man a pity job...I'm saying help them build connections to get real careers. Yes, we need to expect them to put in work too.
This is such a secular, sociological view of church. It is not just men leaving the church, the whole church is dying and has been for decades, and it is because disobedience in the church!
Lies I am dying for a church that has a mission that has a reason for men to exist in something to do I have not been to church in 2 years because everyone I've gone to has been the hubby dubby love bull crap I want Brotherhood I want fraternity I want trustworthiness and honor and respect all of the things I received from God but I'm denied by the church I am a faithful man but I will not go to a church that I feel has been corrupted and deceived by modern ideals and unchristian doctrines ideals of Female Supremacy and personal ineptitude I do not have to be strong Jesus has already won the victory but I have been given Jesus's authority to cast out demons to heal the sick and to work on his behalf baptizing others in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit that is my adopted right as a son of God but if I were to go to a modern church it's about how weak feeble and a nap I am about how incapable and broken about how useless and hopeless about how we can love each other back to life
@@dans864 I actually agree with you that feminism has corrupted the church, my disagreement with the video was more along the lines of men are leaving because we are losing at some sort of imagined competition with the women. I don't think it is disputed (unless you are disputing) that church attendance in America has been dropping for decades. The "unchristian doctrines ideals of Female Supremacy" as you call it, or feminist corruption as I call it, are examples of what I was talking about when I said disobedience in the church. May I ask what I said that you disagree with? Also, some periods in your response would make it easier to read. At that length, stream of consciousness replies are difficult to follow, I had to read it more than once to understand it.
I don't mind worship, but 45 minutes?!!! That's what most non-denominational or apostolic or evangelic churches do.
I am starting to see more single men at catholic mass
I'm just going to throw this out here: I don't like to sing - period. I cant read sheet music so all that is meaningless. I really don't like people telling me what to do, say or think and it comes down to: stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down, say these words, sing these songs which i don't know. Greet your neighbor, give us money. and the money goes to places I don't agree with.
The singing or songs are completely feminine or repetitive. The song leader add libs to the song. So they never sing it the way it was written. Whenever they mention sin, its always the man's fault. So sick of hearing porn, porn, porn, and not accommodating the females, while half the females in the congregation are divorced, cheated on their husband, and took the kids. And of course its all the males fault. Also the vibe all men are sexual pervs. Then they wonder why men don't get involved or help in kids ministry.
The biggest reason men don't go to church is because churches don't want real men to be there. They want money from men and nothing more. Men also know that they don't need a church to know God. Church's have become so gynosentric that there is no reason for us to be there...
I bet this guy hates the Psalms where David said, "As a deer longs for streams of water, so I long for You, God," or when the gospel says, "Jesus wept." His mind must blow when it describes the church as the bride of Christ or David dancing naked in front of the Ark of the Covenant. If your masculinity is so "manly" you can't do what the manliest men have done in the Bible, then your masculinity isn't masculinity. The church doesn't need to change for that, but you need to readdress what manhood is.
People generally dont like being in a place that constantly judges them and tells them theyre toxic. They dont do this to women. They tell women there is nothing wrong with you and are great, sugar and spice and everything nice. They tell men "Your wrong! You need to do this! You need to do that!" Thats not a message attractive to men besides the double standards.
While he makes some good points, I think he is confusing pop-culture characteristics of being a man (energetic & unable to sit still, sports oriented, etc.) as the way men are. Consider Ps. 46:10. The surrounding verses describe scenes of war and battle, yet the command is "Be still." Or consider when Christ was at the Mt. of Olives, he doesn't tell Peter, James, and John to do some workouts when they got bored holding vigil (i.e. praying while holding a posture of prayer during the night). Instead of making the Church more friendly to the pop-culture image of manliness, the Church ought to be challenging men to conform to Christ and a godly way of living that promotes worship. Men have been taught by the culture "This is what is means to be a man" and it doesn't match up with the image God has provided.
I'm a little late to this conversation, but I'll give you my story in a nutshell. My dad was a pastor, and despite that, I was never a true believer. My earliest recollections are of skepticism. There was something about the Bible stories that just never added up. It all just reeked of BS to me. When I was about ten years old, I asked my dad how we can know that the Bible is true. He got this look of death on his face, grabbed me and said, "You don't ever, EVER, question the word of God! Do you understand?" It scared the living shit out of me. I knew right then and there that it was all BS. I also knew to never bring the subject up again, and I never did. That was the first, and last time I ever discussed religion with my dad. When I tell that story to my Christian friends and family, they would say something along the lines of, "Don't let your dad's bad behavior affect your faith, and I would tell them that he wasn't behaving badly, he was doing exactly what his God was telling him to do;. He was following the example given to him by God which is , "I love you, now love me back, and do as I say or I am going to hurt you really, REALLY, bad." That is God's message to all of us, and that is just one of many reasons why I'm not a believer.
I understand why you say these things. I said the same things. What I found is that God wasn't saying that he was going to "hurt me really bad". He was saying that if I deny Him, He would give me my wish and let my spirit exist without anything of God in it. Kinda like saying' "I'm not going to freeze you to death, but if you don't want anything to do with my heat, I will remove all of it from your presence....which leaves nothing but cold.
Wouldn't you also take great great offense at someone calling someone you loved a load of BS? If not may be you don't love them as you say.
@@kiwisaram9373 I never told my dad that Jesus was BS. I simply asked him how we know that the Bible is true. His answer is still to this day as close to a convincing argument that I have heard.
on the one hand you received aggressive and unreasonable behavior from your father whereas Jesus is love, and you can get to him through reason (not only through faith alone) and, on the other hand you received condescending behaviour from your relatives. You have been really unlucky. I hope you open your heart a little bit, and think about it logically. You might be surprised if you embark on this adventure, it's never too late.
@@akimorita My dad's behavior was inspired by the teachings of the Bible. The Bible clearly states that if you don't believe in Jesus and obey his word, there will be hell to pay. That's not love. That is extortion.
This is caused by pastors moving away from the Bible and adopting feminism in its place. Satan's plan working as designed.
"His gifts are largely unwanted and unneeded in the church." Wow !
No joking! The only gift men bring that the church wants is our money! The only gift!
@@inconnu4961 Very often, that is the only gift even traditional wives accept from their husbands also. I am married 40 years and my wife is not like that BUT, she is that rare ruby of Prov 31. FEW women are a Prov 31 wife. If rubies were as common and pebbles, they would not be so precious. Yet almost all Christian wives think they are that kind of wife.
Men don't 'hate' going to church. Most men don't go because they don't believe it. And they don't believe it because they are rational beings. Religion is irrational nonsense suitable only for weak men and emotion-driven women. There is something yucky about a religious man. He lacks the cold, masculine edge that is important for every man to have.
Did you actually listen to the talk or just do a drive by? The speaker addresses those objections you made.
@@hwd71 He says explicitly that all the 'excuses' men have for not going to church boil down to one thing: 'I don't feel needed or wanted in church'. That is not the same thing as unbelief, and most men I know do not think this way. They have nothing but a sneer of contempt for the very idea of a sky daddy who is looking out for us and telling us what to do. He cites Orthodox Judaism and Islam as places where male and female attendance are equal. But he misses the reason. Actually, two reasons. 1. The men in those institutions have power over women, so of course they flock to them. This is no longer true in many Christian denominations. 2. Those two cultures remain pre-scientific. The more respect you have for the methods and mental habits of science, the less religious you are likely to be.
29:52, its not just divorce. Even friendship, Christians are more likely to stick it out with a friend too. One of my best friends in the church is a know-it-all and I was really tempted to stop talking to him after we had an argument but then I realized that's not what Jesus would do. We are to love our brothers no matter what so I let it go and I'm glad to have him as my friend.
Don't wanna hug strangers!!!!!!!!
I hear ya!
Roger that
*“Take a moment to stand and say hi to everyone around you!”* uuuugggghhhhhh
I didn't hate going to church. Thats why i wasnt considered a man. The women in my church love unchurched nihghas. I was sitting there watching them marry, screw, and have babies with the unchurched. I was oblivious to the reality. These women gonna go to church for the both of them for life. While he lay in bed sleepin it off, rinsing it off, or whatever. Plus i could cuss at church functions and finger bang the preachers daughter when we were 13. They love thug life plain and simple. And church confused me about the reality. Yall should rename your churches, 'The House Of The Ever Loving Unchurched Nihghah...
Lots of hypocritical females! this is SO true! When i got married, i didnt find her in church, even though I was a regular attendant. Church women are bad news, if you are trying to be a Good guy!
Because the church thinks women can do no wrong
The church bowed to them like the leftist use them against us.
All of society thinks like this now! they see women as angels & suffering saints!
@@inconnu4961guess you haven't heard the doctrine of women remain silent in the church, can't lead and women can't teach
@@inconnu4961you are flipping blind
47 years a Christian and only once, about 40 years ago, did I see the Church actually formally hold a woman accountable. I have seen MANY men disciplined.
I’m not a man, but this is an obvious and easy problem to solve. Men don’t go to church because there aren’t attractive women who are forced to be there. Part of community is having a bountiful selection of singles to network and mingle, possibly marry. No alcohol or drugs involved, just wholesome gatherings to connect with your local community. Men in 2023 are spending lots of time online, not enough time around women or other men their age. Having events to attract men assumes that churches are feminized, which is case by case. Most pastors are male. Most church leaders are male. Singing silly worship songs doesn’t make the church less male dominant. It’s still men running the entire affair. It’s time to face the music - men don’t see value in going to a place where the women aren’t attractive and plentiful. You get better odds going to a club or concert than a church. The same women go to both churches and clubs these days, so they’re not missing out on much 😂
This is really cute! you dont believe this though, do you? So why do MARRIED MEN not go to church? why do women in relationships STILL go to church by themselves, without their man? LMAO You clearly have never met a man before or you didnt listen to him if he spoke to you! This maybe the reason why YOUNG SINGLE men dont go to church, but doesnt explain why the rest of us dont go! LOL
@@inconnu4961Considering most of America is about to be unmarried and single by 2030, we should care about why singles don’t go. The church has to grow and you can grow the fastest with a pipeline of young people building families. And single men have said this themselves so not sure what’s “cute” about it. Patronizing :/ Married men don’t go to church because they don’t want to. It’s pretty simple to me. If you work 5-6 days a week, maybe going to church on your one day off isn’t appealing. Your wife begging you to go only works on major holidays. Not sure how men leading the family to church and leading in prayer requires a gender analysis. You don’t do it because you don’t want to. You don’t want to because you don’t see the value. You don’t see the value because Christianity is your culture and lifestyle, not your true heart’s belief. As per the Bible. The end.
@@ninagrace-lee8323you’re not a man, so you giving your OPINION on why men don’t go to church isn’t valid whatsoever. The only ones who can say why men aren’t going to church are they actual men who don’t go to church. No disrespect but you’re not in a position to say why men aren’t going.
@@ninagrace-lee8323 this is why u should shit up and not babble
Legalism. No thanks.
Dave Hunt called today's worship songs, "7/11 songs". You sing the same 7 words 11 times. Discarding the old doctrinally sound hymns for today's pop rubbish is part of the problem.
Read the Exodus Theory: Journey into the Spiritual Wilderness.
This is what the church tells women: “Proverbs 31 is an unrealistic and unattainable standard that shouldn’t be taken literally.” This is what the church tells men: “Love your wives the way Christ loved the church. Ephesians 5:25. You should be willing to die for her. Her shortcomings are your responsibility. Your children’s shortcomings are your responsibility.”
It's utterly insane, the dichotomy! The fact is most men ARE willing to die for their wives. Even the insufferable ones. A High School kid at the Aurora Theater shooting, covered his GIRLFRIEND'S body with his. He took all the bullets, he died, she lived. They weren't even married, just dating, and he did that. What's worse, is almost everyone I see completely bastardizes the meaning of that verse to claim that men are to lay down their lives, FIGURATIVELY for their wives. In other words. Whatever YOU want to do, men, forget about it, LAY DOWN YOU LIFE for your wife. Do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING she demands. And OHHHH how the wives LOVE to paraphrase the verse as such. Not actually quote it, but just completely paraphrase it to say, YOU need to lay down your life, live SACRIFICIALLY for ME!!! It's absurd. The command was to LOVE their wives AS Christ loved the church. The part about Him dying for the church was to illustrate what LEVEL of love. The GREATEST, as Jesus said, greater love has no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friend. Jesus LITERALLY died for the Church which proved He had the Greatest love. THAT'S the kind of love men are to have for their wives, the greatest, it is NOT a command for men to be her slave and deny himself daily to serve his wife. Meanwhile completely ignoring the several verses ALL around it, over and over telling wives to submit to their husbands IN ALL THINGS, AS UNTO THE LORD.
Even supposedly pro men pastors like Doug Wilson refuse to hold women accountable but instead dump all the responsibility without any real authority on men. The modern Church is sick, and the sign of the illness is head coverings. Just as the male clergy of the largest denominations wear funny hats and refuse to marry in clear contradiction to Scripture; so does the modern Church attending woman show her rebellion and disregard to Scripure by not putting on a hat, or veil or SOMTHING on their head.
Exactly. Women are never held accountable in the church. Men are constantly being told they are not doing enough. Men are tired of this.
im the opposite i need to hide my true status and background as i prefer to be low profile and have my peace and prefer not to flash my status and only my what i have to say is useful since im not a attention seeking person.
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Men would have never attended the early church because the Apostles Paul told them to greet each other with a "Holy Kiss".
Most churches are set up so that we all go into a big room and listen to one guy (or set of guys) get on stage and talk every week. Quite honestly, I don't find it to be worth my time either. As the Apostle Paul wrote, "The kingdom of God is not a matter of talk, but of power." (1 Cor 4:20). In every ministry I've seen that focuses on EVERYBODY doing ministry: healing the sick, baptizing, casting out demons, there are LOTS of men. Even more men than women in some instances. Nobody, male or female, interested in playing 8th fiddle to some guy and his cronies on a stage. Gen Z is coming through with serious 'main character energy.' Churches need to catch on quickly!
There is one more thing: I'm 30 and I always thought I'm gonna find my wife in Church. The problem is that in Church, single women are not interested in single men. There is no chemistry whatsoever. Lately I learnt that most of these woman have non-christian boyfriends that they don't bring to church. Some of them are cohabitating with them. And no one in Church is telling them this is wrong, there is no accountability for them. I grew up in Christian environment. I was always taught "but only in the Lord" (Cor I 7,39) and I really wanted to marry a girl that is also a Christian. Turns out they are not interested in us. How are young men supposed to win against that?
Some book came out in the mid 90s (I can't remember the name, something "dating"). It completely wrecked any sense of romance, especially with the women. The women have made God their surrogate lover to fill their primary needs of emotional and spiritual. They sing and worship in relationship oriented songs and lectures where Jesus is my perfect lover, Jesus is my boyfriend, walking hand un hand with Jesus, talking to Jesus, etc. It's a very rude, sacrilegious belief system that has left them spiritually widowed from any potential men in their lives. They also believe that "God will give them the perfect man." Tailored specifically for them. There are 780,000+ words in the King James Bible, of all those stories and books, there are only two instances where God acted as a heavenly matchmaker. Adam and Eve, Isaac and Rebecca... that's it. Nowhere else. They don't understand that a man's primary needs are physical (which their lovey-dovey bf jesus can't ever fulfill). They view us as potential threats in the beginning, but even if you get past that, what you're left with is someone who is completely adverse to the idea of intimacy outside of (maybe) producing children. So many married men in the church when they open up about it describe the hell scape that is their sexless marriage once they had children. So the church is completely feminized. The women view young single men as sinners and potential perpetrators. The men feel ostracized. They leave and find partners outside of the faith and never return. The likelihood of them bringing their non-religious partner to the place they felt ostracized at and treated then like that is non existent. And for some reason the church can't wrap their heads around the problem.
Another thing to point out is that this video and these conversations were happening 9+ years ago. Those men who stood up are either in or approaching their 40s. The gender ratio for Christian churches has grown exponentially since then. For every church that "claims" a 50/50 divide, there are churches that are ringing the alarm bell with number 20% and below of male attendance. I put "claim" in parentheses because most churches that were asked to tally their numbers for researchers were also tallying young boys (10<) in Sunday school whose mothers dropped them off. Some churches have noticed the trend, and the women who were not brainwashed into this perverse sense of God have been speaking up about there being "no real men" around. Sunday school and youth group has sieve them all out. The only thing they're left with are wimpy boys who can only curl a dinner plate (also kinda creepy). And the musical, knitted his own beanie, coffee shop culture, guy who doesn't have a real job (or one that can support anyone else but himself).
@@hwd7Dude invited you into a racist church. What a friend. Lol?
@@brandonboi9465 thank you! "The women view young single men as sinners and potential perpetrators." That is exactly how I was treated and how I feel. What is worse, my own family taught me that I'm a filthy sinner for having sexual desires. I'm mentally blocked in finding a wife because I feel like I'm guilty of even wanting to have one. I was even more shunned for wanting a beautiful wife. "What are you providing, what is so special in you that you want to have a beautiful wife?!" - that was their first reaction. I was maybe 14-15 at the time. My sister and father made sure I was feeling bad about this.
@PaulKHeld That's a terrible thing to say to your son or brother. Seriously, I would never say that to my brother... Okay, I definitely would say that to him, but only because it's true! Lol. (His wife would agree. She's awesome) But all jokes aside, if you're seriously offering marriage and commitment, then you are offering more than what 90% of men our age have to offer. But unfortunately, they tend to waste so long until they open their eyes that they can't provide you with children at all.
The reason why men don't go to church is because they're obsessed with masturbation and perfnography even so-called Christian men, and they're always thinking about sex and they like to spend all their time with their hand on their crotch so they don't want to sit in church because they really want to be home masturbating. That's the truth and I wish people would start to speak the truth and stop pretending that men don't have an obsession with pornography and masturbation.
Dude, stopped doing drugs! They have fried your teeny weeny brain into charcoal! this has to be a joke, because their is barely an ounce of truth to it. maybe this describes you?
A lot of these love songs that you hear in these modern-day worship songs are songs written by men.
Probably effeminate men, anyway.
@@TitusCastiglione1503 Say it: GAY men! We had the blokes from Saddleback church doing a conference at a local Big Black Baptist congregation, and these clowns came in wearing their skin tight jeans (while the Black guys were wearing nice suits, and us white guys were wearing office appropriate clothes, though not suits) and we both looked at each other and said "who are these gay boys"? ugh, bad conference, bad bible teaching, silly men teachers! but the baptist church and their men were GREAT hosts! Cant stand Saddle back and their lispy leaders.
Because these men are clever marketers and they know that females will eat it up.
@4:16, well, I put my hand up. Read Paul and the Gospels like the books for continuous reading they were written as and they are full of the language or sentiments of the left hand column. They are strong, uncompromising, and competitive: the competition between God and the World. Revelation: full of the most graphic battles. Can't get more competitive than that. Yeshua telling off the pharisees, deprecating Herod, standing up to Caiaphas...no end to it. Acts, full of violence, bloodshed, honour, sacrifice for a greater cause...amazing stuff. . So, me idea of a church hunting club is not so out of order, then. Helping farmers get rid of vermin, having a good time.
This man is awful. Many people come to him, some not for medical reasons, having made the rational decision to want to die. If someone isn't physically ill and wanting to die, they are mentally or emotionally ill. So he has vulnerable people going to him a trusted professional for information and he's agreeing they should die? He states "I feel uncomfortable exercising my right to prevent them from taking the course of euthanasia". But you're comfortable killing them? What happened to thou shall cause no harm. So the vulnerable are being killed all because said doctors ego's are now wrapped up in euthanasia being 'right'. One giant leap away from civilisation....
I'm sure women do outscore men on finger dexterity, but why wouldn't men just use a Bible app instead?
Awww, poor men. Perhaps we can masculate the church by adding a sporting event and serving beer. Yes, let the church serve men so that the men don't have to serve the church. Now for the truth: men don't attend church because their love for Christ has grown cold.
Your love for men is not exactly shining brightly. Why would I find your attitude attractive? If your church reflects your attitude, it does not value me, it does not value what ai bring to the table, and it is not wanting to help me in the areas that I need help in. In other words, it is a waste of my time.
Do notice these men selling books, and speaking trying to sale their books never tell you "How I Would Organize a Church for Men".
You're right. My comment expresses an ugly attitude and I'm sorry for that. I hope you can accept my apology. My comment was born from frustration but not because I don't care...but because I do care. I would love to see more men attend church and I hope that you too will go. You don't need to bring any special talent, just your presence will speak loudly. I pray you will find a church that meets your needs. We need you in the pew.
@@BeanieUSA that is very true. Problem is that the church sometimes makes that harder than it really needs to be.
@@BeanieUSA Thank you for your apology! its refreshing to hear. Many of us WANT to be in church. Especially as we see Revelations and the End Times unfolding before our VERY eyes! but keep in mind that there is NO safe spaces where men can think and be like men, without nagging women. they have made 'men-only- spaces ILLEGAL! men want to go where we are allowed to be men, and not treated like defective women!
Praise the lord