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ChatGPT vs Cyber Threats: The REAL Role of AI in Cybersecurity | Razorthorn Security
Unlock the truth about using Large Language Models (LLMs) in cybersecurity - are they the next big thing or just another trend?
In this episode of Razorwire, your host, James Rees, brings together cybersecurity expert Richard Cassidy and data scientist Josh Neil to talk about the use of AI and large language models (LLMs) in cybersecurity and their role in threat detection and security. Join us for a discussion on the capabilities and limitations of these technologies, sparked by a controversial LinkedIn post.
We bring you expert insights into AI in security applications and a frank discussion on always being open to learning and correcting misconceptions. Hear about real world examples and practical advice on how to integrate AI tools effectively without falling into common traps. This episode delivers a balanced, in depth look at an often misunderstood but crucial topic in modern cybersecurity.
3 Key Takeaways:
Anomaly Detection Challenges: We break down why traditional time series models are still king when it comes to anomaly detection, highlighting the limitations of LLMs. Learn why these models are better suited for identifying real threats without drowning in false positives.
Role of Critical Thinking in Cybersecurity: Richard Cassidy emphasises the irreplaceable value of human expertise in threat detection. Discover why relying too heavily on AI could stifle critical thinking and skill development, especially for junior analysts, potentially weakening your security team in the long run.
Practical Applications and Misconceptions: Hear a candid conversation about the real strengths and weaknesses of LLMs in cybersecurity. Both guests share practical advice on how LLMs can augment, but not replace, human-driven methods to ensure stronger, more reliable security measures
Tune in to Razorwire for an episode that cuts through the hype and delivers actionable insights for cybersecurity professionals navigating the evolving landscape of AI in security.
The Downside of AI in the Workplace:
"My concern with AI assistants or co-pilots with quick and easy answers, the junior analysts aren't learning the critical thinking required to become senior analysts, and therefore we're losing our bench. And we're going to end up with unskilled senior analysts that don't know when the LLM doesn't know what to do. Neither does the human."
Josh Neil
Listen to this episode on your favourite podcasting platform: razorwire.captivate.fm/listen
In this episode, we covered the following topics:
● Anomaly Detection Challenges: Find out how experts approach the complex task of identifying unusual patterns in cybersecurity data.
● LLMs vs. Traditional Methods: We explore different approaches to anomaly detection, comparing cutting-edge AI with established statistical techniques.
● Organisational Understanding: Listen to insights on the importance of deep knowledge about critical systems for effective threat detection.
● Surgical vs. Brute Force Approaches: Discover the debate surrounding different methodologies in cybersecurity, and the role of human expertise.
● Training and Critical Thinking: We examine how the increasing use of AI tools might impact skill development in the cybersecurity workforce.
● Evolution of Threat Detection: Take the journey from manual processes to advanced automated systems, and learn how to take on the new challenges that have emerged.
● LLMs' Role in Cybersecurity: Find out how we can integrate LLMs within existing security frameworks.
● Misconceptions About LLMs: We explore common misunderstandings about AI capabilities in cybersecurity and their potential consequences.
● AI's Impact on Security Practices: Get recommendations on how organisations can responsibly incorporate AI tools into their security strategies.
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  • @bryanzam1412
    @bryanzam1412 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Its only technology when it serves the entire human race . Otherwise it only serves those who are going to enslave you .

  • @elizabethramonvargas3322
    @elizabethramonvargas3322 หลายเดือนก่อน

    P😢😢😮😅😅😊😂🎉❤❤

  • @gavin1506
    @gavin1506 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think the three word answer has been frowned on. Education teaches you it should be a well rounded answer of atleast a thousand words. Communication is failing.

  • @gavin1506
    @gavin1506 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dora is a name that basically means God's Gift. a little bit OTT to call your act that.

  • @gavin1506
    @gavin1506 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Indeed. It's a game of chess

  • @gavin1506
    @gavin1506 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Subscription model is far more difficult to get out of that than having Hardware onsite. 24:33

  • @gavin1506
    @gavin1506 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's extremely interesting to note threat management by the end user is not a "training" limit. I have found most Security training skirts around the Threat modelling and relies on example. I think if you manage the threat models in your Organisation and lead training and running exercises. This then changes everything in your organisation and you promote team work. I think if you rely on an end user, they will make a mistake. I think if it's an Organisation/Business/Department/Team that is being relied on, you have a much better chance at defending your Systems a lot better.

  • @user-vt5lh6lm3n
    @user-vt5lh6lm3n 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So true. 😢

  • @gavin1506
    @gavin1506 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    YES! I get annoyed when I have to interpret from technical to normal.. it's just frustrating. Modern IT people have to get they are no longer technical sit in the cupboard geeks. They have to be customer focused and understand business needs and work out the technical piece. Techies are employed to be the technologist for the business.

  • @gavin1506
    @gavin1506 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Errors are an opportunity to improve. If you are "perfect|" you just learn arrogance.

  • @mrnobodyfightingirish7376
    @mrnobodyfightingirish7376 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well said 👍

  • @baronbadger1241
    @baronbadger1241 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is a great little video.

  • @gavin1506
    @gavin1506 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Look at Close Quatre protection. They are all ensuring Cyber Security is on their syllabus

  • @gavin1506
    @gavin1506 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Safeguarding by government is "ban". However Safeguarding is explaining why you shouldn't but giving the choice.

  • @gavin1506
    @gavin1506 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    AI fighting AI is the matrix

  • @gavin1506
    @gavin1506 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    NCSC just advises to turn every Security measure on. We need a PROPER INFOSEC Council. It should be a volunteer basis for selection.

  • @gavin1506
    @gavin1506 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think, while people before didn't trust the media it was more a hidden thing. People still watched the news without thinking. Now it's open hostility against the mainstream media. It's a fact checking exercise, or find your trusted sources for viewing.

  • @gavin1506
    @gavin1506 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the main things I think info Sec is missing, When it's government anything, the market for the software required is very very small. Which has an impact on support and responding to security issues. Until development comes back in house, that will never change. Departments simply can't afford to do that.

  • @הדרקומינר
    @הדרקומינר 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Maybe you would see the good side of them if every once in a while you would get up from your chair

    • @zooblok8272
      @zooblok8272 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You should do the same with no credibility you bum

  • @EarthMoneyz
    @EarthMoneyz 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sounds interesting, but what is AGI and LLM mean

    • @RazorthornSecurity
      @RazorthornSecurity 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      AGI - Artificial general intelligence (AGI) is a form of AI that possesses the ability to understand, learn and apply knowledge across a wide range of tasks and domains. LLM - Large language models (LLM) are very large deep learning models that are pre-trained on vast amounts of data. The underlying transformer is a set of neural networks that consist of an encoder and a decoder with self-attention capabilities.

  • @TS-00
    @TS-00 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    standing UART/FW/SW back doors by design. Create Problem. Anticipate Reaction. Provide Gates' funded Hegelian Digital-ID "Solution".

  • @gavin1506
    @gavin1506 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Perhaps it's seen as responsibility lays with Ciso.

  • @gavin1506
    @gavin1506 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    CISO has ultimate responsibility to highlight/Create a task/Write policy. However as an employee, they "MUST" protect themselves.

    • @gavin1506
      @gavin1506 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think you made a huge assumption about Risk management. I think a lot of "security" or IT teams rely on third parties to tell them about risks and assign priority.

  • @TalmageL-pn2pv
    @TalmageL-pn2pv 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the thing about Bank robbers is that very very few get away, the vast majority of people who think they can get away with it, don't last through the first night before they are arrested.. CAMERAS ARE EVERYWHERE, you can't get away from them, even trail cameras are catching people now days..

  • @gavin1506
    @gavin1506 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I found it very good. I found that as it's stated, you need to train it. You need to know your questions, and you need to know the answer it's potentially going to get out of it. It's a tool or the dyslexic. I even ran a table top role play game from it. It started well but then starts including things outside of the perimeters you gave it.

  • @gavin1506
    @gavin1506 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think compliance is always just basic. It's the same with accessibility compliance as well. The biggest issue is compliance is see as the highest standard and that needs to change

  • @thememedaddy9621
    @thememedaddy9621 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tai ai or something like that, days not months and you could force it say what ever you wanted it to say

  • @travelmore9626
    @travelmore9626 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Insightful, thanks!

  • @WeTheLittlePeople
    @WeTheLittlePeople ปีที่แล้ว

    In a Raytheon IRAD, (non-classified), I proposed that Decision Engines would need a human authentication at any critical event. So everyone needs to chill on AI taking on more than a workflow/authorization/RBAC AIM model needs to understand at basic fundamental levels. Anyone doing counter to human authorization should get their ass sued off for being... dumb...

    • @WeTheLittlePeople
      @WeTheLittlePeople ปีที่แล้ว

      40 years ago, system admins and sysops didn't even think to put passwords on TimeShare systems. Lot of same brains are repeating same mistakes with AI...

    • @WeTheLittlePeople
      @WeTheLittlePeople ปีที่แล้ว

      Had to spank the Feds bottom when I was a kid to show them how I got a total list of ARPANET & MILNET Addresses before there were laws against it, they had to use fraud by wire... it didn't stick. :)

  • @MichaelDaOne1
    @MichaelDaOne1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting

    • @ThePlug420-
      @ThePlug420- ปีที่แล้ว

      How is this interesting that’s concerning!

  • @bettylang7894
    @bettylang7894 ปีที่แล้ว

    Promo-SM 🙂

  • @gavin1506
    @gavin1506 ปีที่แล้ว

    You also fund the higher the rates, the more likely breaches will happen as it makes it more fiscally viable

  • @geekytechycool
    @geekytechycool ปีที่แล้ว

    James, you give some great advice here. Thanks again for your guidance along the way!

  • @CavemanTravels
    @CavemanTravels ปีที่แล้ว

    So what do we do? WE GO TO THE FUCKING GYM!

  • @mikfax
    @mikfax ปีที่แล้ว

    This is what I say to women to seduce them. It gets them wet everytime

  • @BobBobOnYouTube
    @BobBobOnYouTube ปีที่แล้ว

    This guy talks too slowly.

  • @saluztaguba1757
    @saluztaguba1757 ปีที่แล้ว

    Babe. Galit. Ka

  • @MrAndrew941
    @MrAndrew941 ปีที่แล้ว

    This isn’t something I really thought of doing for some reason, I’m in the middle of leaving the army and have been thinking of a multitude of careers from being a blade technician in the wind industry to just driving a truck. Haven’t got a clue what I want to do and I will be out by the end of the year, and I’m still in two minds, this is definitely something I could look at, thank for the video.

  • @Guide7300
    @Guide7300 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video bro

  • @michaeltye2359
    @michaeltye2359 ปีที่แล้ว

    Idk man maybe they have some of the best cybersecurity professionals because they're literally surrounded by enemies and have been in perpetual war for decades

    • @RazorthornSecurity
      @RazorthornSecurity ปีที่แล้ว

      I think you are probably right, but then again pretty much every major country and quite a few smaller ones have been actively undertaking low grade probes and attacks on one another for some time now. We are seeing a huge uptick though, due to what's going on in the world at the moment. Now we have cyber combatants actively practising their craft with many more interesting and damaging attacks.

  • @AlexMalbon
    @AlexMalbon ปีที่แล้ว

    Great content and I agree, People need to be at the forefront of a solid cyber practice. It's not easy to find people with the right skills - they often move around together between jobs. This is why it's so important to provide a positive day-to-day experience for cyber teams and try to, as a leader, remove frustrations and build a team and environment where continous improvement and innovation can thrive.

    • @RazorthornSecurity
      @RazorthornSecurity ปีที่แล้ว

      I totally agree, cyber security is a tough area to be in, where the professionals are quite often frustrated and under fire from other departments in the organisation to not hold up projects or to stop meddling with innovation - it can get pretty demoralising. Lots of work needs to be done in hearts and minds around the other departments to realize we are not there to be their enemy; we are there to protect them from the things/people that can be harmful to the organisation. This can do wonders for positive reinforcement to the members of the Security teams… that and buy them beer or a bunch of doughnuts once in a while!

  • @kelcitangri4429
    @kelcitangri4429 ปีที่แล้ว

    👏 ρɾσɱσʂɱ

  • @codyaaron725
    @codyaaron725 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for sharing me, we actually have a lot of lives that we have did catching the demonic to show it's real. Impossible to fake a lot of what we have caught

  • @jamieo8307
    @jamieo8307 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    ρяσмσѕм

  • @lilysarmah9298
    @lilysarmah9298 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Axxyy

  • @altajohnson6453
    @altajohnson6453 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    loved the content u have created

  • @julialopez9312
    @julialopez9312 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I enjoyed the video from start to the end

  • @stephenrogers3078
    @stephenrogers3078 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was so good.

  • @judithgraham4531
    @judithgraham4531 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    May u create more such videos like these

  • @josephgonzales7904
    @josephgonzales7904 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    the video was a quite descriptive one