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singingmatters
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I help people understand their voice, so they can use it, better. This channel is for singers who know there is something they can do differently with their voice. Vocal coaching to fix strain and tension issues in singing technique. Understand your instrument. Use it, better.
You may have already heard a lot of singing advice. How much have you taken in?
A lot of what happens when we sing, is in our minds. The vulnerability of daring to sing, the feeling of being exposed. The confidence to sing, regardless of the fear of singing. The expression of oneself and the giving of emotion. All of this is huge when singing, especially when others are listening.
But learning how to sing, is far away from the emotions of songs and delivery. It is in the physiology of your instrument. It is in the mechanics of the voice. It is in getting out of the way. It's using your instrument how it is intended, so you can rely on it night after night.
Stop listening and start feeling!
You may have already heard a lot of singing advice. How much have you taken in?
A lot of what happens when we sing, is in our minds. The vulnerability of daring to sing, the feeling of being exposed. The confidence to sing, regardless of the fear of singing. The expression of oneself and the giving of emotion. All of this is huge when singing, especially when others are listening.
But learning how to sing, is far away from the emotions of songs and delivery. It is in the physiology of your instrument. It is in the mechanics of the voice. It is in getting out of the way. It's using your instrument how it is intended, so you can rely on it night after night.
Stop listening and start feeling!
How to Sing and Play At The Same Time
A few tips on how to sing and play guitar at the same time. Splitting your brain in all these different directions can be hard. Here are some ways to maybe dig down into detail a bit better than you currently are.
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singing lessons online available from singingmatters.co.uk
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Singers - Your Ears Are Deceiving You
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Often singers hear the recorded voice all wrong. They are misled by what they hear on record. There are a number of ways in which our ears deceive us. This is a break down of how to listen more closely and be aware of how the recorded voice gives a false impression of what the singer was actually doing. It’s crucial to question what you think you are hearing on record. Support this channel or g...
Hi, I’m Calder and this is my channel, Singing Matters
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This is an introduction to my channel Singing Matters
How to Sing Better - Lift Up Create a Shape Inside and Cry
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This video explores more singing advice, from someone who learned the hard way and required an operation, after years of vocal abuse. Looking into the soft palate, lifting inside the roof of the mouth, using cry, using a yawn set up in the voice, and other ways of manipulating the vocal tract inside. All of this will help in allowing the vibrations created by the voice to go where they want to ...
How to Sing with More Emotion and Feel
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This video is all about how to sing with more emotion. That question is being asked by a lot of people and I'm going to look at some ways you can start to experiment with your voice to dramatise the words a little. These are some great tips that help also with general technique. For lessons with me please visit singingmatters.co.uk To support this channel AND get 1-1 feedback from videos and au...
Mix Voice - Are You Taking the Advice?
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A bunch of ways to understand your mix voice, how to sing in your higher registers, exercises for vocal balance and ease. Are you taking the advice? Coaches everywhere say all the same things but singers still struggle to believe it . I know. I’ve been there. This video gives some ways to approach mix voice and some exercises to help those high notes feel easier. #howtosingbetter #vocalcoach #s...
When You’re Not Feeling It as a Singer
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Today’s discussion looks at wider issues around being a professional singer compared to being an artist and how important it is to be connected to the material we are singing. Moving away from vocal technique this time to talk about the pitfalls of earning a living in this game ! #singinglessons #howtosingbetter #diyartist #songwriter #giggingmusician singingmatters.co.uk My new patreon: www.pa...
3 Common Voice Issues
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This is a quick conversation about common voice issues and the comments I often repeat to students - and myself, a lot. singingmatters.co.uk #howtosingbetter #singinglessonsonline #vocalcoach #singingtips My new Patreon link: Get 1-1 Feedback to video clips and singing guidance , extra lessons, live videos patreon.com/SingingMatterswithCalder?Link
How to Control Your Voice - try this !
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This is a very commonly used exercise for singers and coaches which aims to really get control of your voice, by using the “G” sound as a way of feeling the stop of air flow and then trying to maintain that set up in the voice as you move to a vowel. Please persevere with this and see if it helps you or changes something for you. Could be a game changer ! #howtosingbetter #singinglessons #vocal...
How to Sing Better - Breath and Cord Closure Exercises
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This video is a conversation about breath control, breath support and breath flow, for singers. There are some really interesting discoveries when you try some of this stuff out. Give it a go! Lessons available online via singingmatters.co.uk #vocaltraining #vocalcoach #howtosingbetter #singinglessons
How to Sing Better - Use Your Head Voice More!
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How to Sing Better When Singing Covers - it’s hard!
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Mixed Voice - What’s Going on - Removing Tension in Singing
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Mixed Voice - What’s Going on - Removing Tension in Singing
Hi, I’m Calder, and this is a quick intro to my channel, Singing Matters.
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Hi, I’m Calder, and this is a quick intro to my channel, Singing Matters.
Listen to live recordings, but be aware that most "official" live recordings are just as procesed as any studio recording.
For a video could you talk about how to be consistent on stage? I had a gig a couple days back, and monitors weren’t working properly etc. and I wondered if you’d have any tricks up your sleeve for dealing with things like this
I have hours of fun playing guitar and singing…. It’s just those in the household don’t enjoy it.
Let me know your thoughts on this topic. I hope these ideas give you some good for thought. 🎤 🎸
Great advice. I’m actually using different colors pencils and make marks on the chord change with the lyrics or word in the song. With this Adele song ( when we were young) I’m playing it exactly how it was written. He has me landing that chord right on the lyric/ word in the song. I’m pretty good at that except for this song. It’s driving me NUTS. !!! I think because it’s sounds and the way I’m playing it like a piano. . A strum for each chord. . Like no rhythm So hard to explain. If I get this right I can do anything. Thank you for this video. The timing was perfect 🎸🎹🎵❤️🙏.
@@marinemomma62 fantastic , colour coding ! Yeah. I’m glad it was good timing. 😊
Pragmatic usable advice, no bullshit, no sales pitch. I hope this channel takes off like it deserves to buddy.
@@SaladDays83 Thanks so much. I try to just be my usual rambling self !
Excited to watch this. I play lead guitar and sing in a band 😭
@@sugar172 OOF !! I can’t even play lead guitar …
Absolutely MAKES SENSE. I love how you start off with I’m here to teach you “ WHAT NOT TO DO”. 😄. Your channel will grow big. See most people are here because we are having. Trouble Less is more!!!!!!!. I have been applying a lot of your advice and yesterday I actually sounded okay. It’s really that breath support and controlling the air. I definitely practiced too much because I am a bit hoarse. Mostly due to my Hashimoto’s. I Sounds like I smoked a pack of cigarettes and I don’t smoke So to the smart …. That said your talking voice sounds shitty well it has nothing to do with singing. Once I get that song down to the best I can do it. …then I will share. ( Adele When we were young). I honestly never thought I get any tone back. Hey if you practice and apply exactly what your saying slowly you will get it. It seemed like yesterday it just Clicked!!!! . So I’m working hard and then I’m going to need lots of help😃. Here I took opera lessons when I was very young. I did good back then but life happened. I really just want to enjoy singing and playing my guitar. Having fun. I would be ecstatic.if I could get 40% of what I had back. Just keep being you. A few guys/ singing coaches are going to ruin peoples voices. That’s one thing I know when they are teaching it wrong. I guess those opera lessons paid off. Thank you for keeping it real. 🎵❤️🎹🎸🎼
I watch a lot of stuff like Tiny Desk Concerts because I love that live "intimate" sound, but I wonder how much effects/processing most singers have on their voice even on a live performance like that? I'd love to see more performers actually sing live in person.
@@anxylum well that’s got to be one of the most honest kinds of performances out there . It’s dry and natural sounding. Such a great set up . I looked up the mics they use once. I don’t even know if there’s much reverb on those recordings . Yeah I’d say there’s something to be learned from tiny desk . I’m gonna try demonstrate some stuff around this
@ oh… I would love to see a video on this, that would be awesome. ❤️
Super helpful 👏
Great insights, but would be good to have a little less talking and more demonstrating. In fact I would say the same to most of your videos
@@fentonwinmill this is a fair comment. ! No worries .
That's just your learning style/ preference and not much of a critique
He's providing fantastic content and resources for free, tell him that when you're paying for lessons haha
TH-cam recommended your content to me yesterday, and I've already watched this video (and all your Shorts) a couple of times. Good luck on your channel!
@@davidribeiro5254 thanks so much David ! I appreciate the comment and I really hope it helps
@@davidribeiro5254 thank you and I hope it helped you yesterday morning, I mean afternoon
Music producer/audio engineer here. Yes every single track you hear the vocals are HEAVILY Processed. Everything from dynamocs to pitch to timing. We do what we must to keep up with the standards of today. But trust me when i say the finished product sounds NOTHING like the raw vocal we recieve
I feel old and snooty, but this makes me extremely sad. I come from the operatic world and have a knee jerk reaction to any audio-tech enhancement. Now I'm old and relearning a whole lot, and working with mics, trying to at least, i am meeting and using sounds for the first time. Music is enough for one life, but one lifetime is not enough for music. Great share!
@dorefromDetroit thanks! And i get it, im a purist when it comes to some things also! I wish we didn't have to do so much but if we don't the singer will be like "it doesn't sound very professional" I guess we live in the future when I wish we lived in the past
Isolated vocals of artist like David Bowie and Sinatra really help me to understand what it is I’m hearing
What I'm always looking for is a "direct off the mic" isolated vocal track of famous songs... not just isolated from a mix with AI or whatever... but a true... "exactly what the mic heard" track... that way one can try to tell just how much is the vocalist... and how much is processing. Such tracks seem really rare and hard to find though. At least outside the original tapes.
@@flmason I may attempt to make a video with an A-B of no processing and with , even in just a basic way
I hear ya- I grew up around a lot of metal music, so that's what I tried to replicate, and I kept losing my voice. But now that I'm older and decided that I don't really care what others think, I started singing a lot differently- I sound more like a cowboy opera singer now- no idea if others like it or not, but again, I decided I don't care... it's much easier on my voice.
Fantastic advise, I'm a huge fan of the ABC voice model which clearly shows you can't achieve the higest notes in your range at your maximum volume, it took me a while to get myself to back off from my maximal volume but it was so worth it - makes singing higher parts effortless. And you're right, so much of what we hear in recordings isn't a real voice, multitracking, compression, production effects, EQ, etc.
Had a similar situation except my cyst was HPV. Had long road back. 3 months therapy and it’s been 7 years. Building a new tribute project now. You better believe I’m going at it totally different these days. Love the content.
@@MichaelRayBirchfield ah man. I feel ya . And yeah you know what I mean about how you have to approach differently. I went back to singing after 7 weeks and I was not ready, it was too soon and I did a four hour gig first one back. And then just carried on with a crazy schedule like before . It was too much too soon and I think it suffered from that still now. Although with a mic in my face I’m fine. It’s when I have to try be loud in a room , just can’t do it now. Have to be careful when teaching a bunch of noisy teenagers!
2:00 in the morning and I've just discovered this channel. Ill get some rest and check this out in detain in the morning (pronounced afternoon).
Thank you !
One of my favorite singers is Chris Cornell. I struggled with a lot of his stuff, and I'm not really sure how I learned it, but yes, I agree that much of the really intense stuff, I'm actually not pushing very hard at all with my voice. I am with my body, my face, my emotions, but my vocal chords are actually dialed down a bit, but I'm using mic technique to make it keep it's intensity.
That's what I thought until yesterday with Chester Bennington, I was just trying to hit the notes as intense as I could instead of going back to basics and getting rid of all tension possible, now I'm really building something beautiful.
Usually when I listen to music I try and compare the vocals to how someone singing in real life would sound, it made me realised how insanely processed modern vocals are! Especially the compression
Great video, I’m working on this, I’m a beginner, my ears are not good, I hear things and think I’m reproducing it, then listen to the recording and I’m missing the notes or out of tune, my ears deceive me big time, but I’m improving with ear training
This is something I've also been learning the hard way when I've been gigging. I put a lot into my performance, especially as I'm on my own in a noisy pub, and I do a lot of older rock stuff. I'll often fall into the trap of pushing too hard, and tiring out my voice, sometimes almost losing some it at the end of the gig. I've got a bit better after working on my technique (I was mainly just a guitar player before), and this vid is really useful.
I think the first basic thing everyone needs to understand when trying to compare themselves to studio recordings is that today virtually nothing comes out of the studio without pitch-correction (auto-tune/melodyne). This is an obvious step in the mixing process in almost every recording. The majority of YT "stars" rely heavily on auto-tune and their audience do not even realize that they are being cheated. You'd be surprised (in a negative way) what your favorite artists really sound like on a raw tracks without pitch-correction.
@@radosawszmid7822 yeah !! And I didn’t even mention the autotune
Awesome stuff man, thanks for the lesson
I’m really struggle with a new track of ours at the moment to try and get emotion into it without my voice breaking up on the high points but also the very quiet parts. It’s about grief and I’m playing with the idea of “time heals” so that as the song progresses so the negative emotion get accompanied by optimism. It’s a tough one for sure with plenty of subtlety and nuance
@@Theactivepsychos sounds interesting ! It can take some real refinement to get across such emotions in a vocal take, I hope it’s going well. Good luck
@ have you ever thought about doing related content to your main videos where you practically critique and analyse one of or more of your audiences vocal takes and apply what’s in your video?
John Lennon, Ray Davies, Eric Burdon all wouldn’t have their excellent vocal style without misinterpreting what they were hearing.
@@Theactivepsychos how could you ever know? And what do you mean? It’s fine to disagree. I know my experience and I know what I see in dozens of students but you know, whatever you think ✌️
You’re probably proving my point: because what you hear makes you think it’s being done a certain way, and it’s probably not.
@@singingmatterscalderwell I’m not necessarily disagreeing but if you listen to the artists thy listened to the three guys I mentioned all have a hyper version of that style, especially Ray. A lot of the grit in those old R&B and blues singers was in the microphone and tape saturation but Ray took that noise and created it with his own voice that then got processed with even more saturation and those beautifully crunchy mics. If you then listen to the next generation you get noddy holder ad Johnny rotten taking it further and then Liam Gallagher taking it even further! We’re not agreeing I’m just saying there are rare cases when those misinterpretations create a new vocal icon!
@ have a listen to the story about John Lennon and twist and shout and how he knew he’d crush his vocal chords so left it until the end. Then Ray Davies when he sings live. There’s 100% the thing you’re talking about that they do. Probably more towards the beginning off their careers but then they mastered the effect so they could do it with longevity.
@ brilliant ! That doesn’t mean they are hurting their voice in the process !! Maybe we can meet in the middle here. I like this idea that they heard the recorded sound and tried to recreate it. Almost inventing the wheel at that time. But they also may have done so within safe and healthy range in terms of how much they put their voice through to get there. This is an interesting story of how raspy singing became a thing. Thanks
This is very true. I noticed playing the guitar and singing into the microphone over and over and over again with song after song causes me to train my voice... I mean to adjust because I'm hearing the sound back coming out of the amplification. My God I can definitely hear when it's off when it's overpowering when it's too soft coming into the voicings.. I love when you say stop singing so loud. I recently wrote a song called Maple Moon. And just recently I recorded myself singing it in the very same key but bringing the loudness in my voice down. In return what I got was a song that stayed in step with the timing and is enjoyable to listen to... This guy knows what he's talking about and I just learned this by singing into that microphone for The last 5 years
I'm so glad I saw this video because I'm going into the recording studio I've been practicing my song with a lighter approach not pushing it and it's so much better. Thank you again
thanks for making a video explaining this further!
Honestly, this is such a simple message but why wasn’t that explained to me from my teacher whom I payed for?? Thank you so much!
I appreciate everything you’re doing brotha Do you ever listen to bands like Dance Gavin Dance? I’m curious what you think is going on with how he’s doing what he’s doing Even live, he doesn’t sound “not intense” if they makes sense
I can have a listen and see what I make of it !
High notes are small, low larynx, 'discovered' and not pushed - it all needed said to me 100 times to absorb and believe it and every time it's told to me it hits different as I get closer but also forget how far I can go with those concepts. I think as a teacher you have to be aware of how the same message can hit differently and is valuable to repeat. Super solid advice and help from you again! Sitting working on very quiet oooooo sounds this evening :) If there was a basic support option on Patreon I would do it to support you just for the videos, like a couple bucks but no interaction. I have a singing teacher! Or Ko-Fi which I think has better terms for creators.
Ah thank you so much ! This is awesome and I massively appreciate the support. My two tiers are $7 and $17 currently . But they both involve some form of 1-1 and support etc. I’m having a look at the whole patreon tomorrow , maybe I’ll make a tier just for you! 😂✌️🙏 I forgot to put the link in. All done a bit last minute tonight. Thanks again
((I did what I said with a $4 dollar tier on patreon, prob gonna change the other one and remove. Obviously no obligation but you got me thinking, thanks ))
@@singingmatterscalder Sweet, I'm in! :) Thank you!
@ amazing thank so much for the support
Could you talk in the future about developing the skill of singing and playing guitar simultaneously?
I have added this to my list of videos , I may even do a quick thing about this topic over the weekend ! Cheers 😊
Thanks! I’m a visual learner and just listening to you describe the placement visually with the yawn feeling immediately got me to the right sweet spot.
@@RichardRubendra1963 this is great to hear! Thanks and good luck
Wow...loved this! I've been learning to sing by myself for just three months and I've watched several teachers here on youtube. Your way however, really works for me. I don't like most teachers methods as I'm just into playing around with my voice and learning how to change its tone and where I feel the vibrations. I think I'm learning a lot about my own voice just feeling it out. This type of video and advice however is priceless. Thanks so much! Subscribed 👍
@@pianissimo369 thanks so much for the encouraging comment! It means a lot ! Really . Best of luck with your singing development .
Nice to meet you Calder. I have had a passion for singing for many years now, but I have never done anything serious with it. Do you know when I improved the most? When I finally accepted myself, my voice timbre and actually started singing live instead of doing millions of lip rolls over and over again. Evolve 30M + E935 each day for several months taught me more about what it really means to be a good singer than any other exercise I've been doing in the past. After sitting on that damn stool in front of the speaker for hundred of hours now, hearing my every mistake, every breath, bad intonation, tension, I'm finally starting to understand it. It looks like it will be an interesting channel to follow. Be genuine, keep it like that and don't turn it into another colorful reaction videos bs...😀
@@radosawszmid7822 Thanks and yeah there’s no substitute for being out there playing live, if that’s where you want to end up. I was always one for just getting out and doing it in real life too. That said, if you know why you are doing certain exercises then you can gain a lot from them as well. Often people don’t know why they are doing a particular exercise. But yeah, the real world experience is invaluable Thanks for the comment , I may do some reaction videos tho 😬 😂
I tried an intense “ehhhhhh” with just lifting the soft palate. Something in the back of the mouth is blocking me. I tried “backwards”. It lifted the soft palate and it was completely free. 😊
@@DenisMorissetteJFK ooh this sounds promising for you !!
Maybe explain: How to compress / and relax .. I think people that are new will go wreck their chops immitating you?
@@PapaGinseng_ you’re right ! And when I listen back it sounds soooooooo much more powerful than it feels!! I do mention this sort of thing a lot. It’s so deceiving what we hear on record. Good idea and I may well address this !
Let me know your thoughts on some of this stuff and, as always, I hope it helps.
You're totally contradicting Ken Tamplin. I wonder who's right? JK.
@@gtrdoc911 in which bit? I mean god the amount of controversy around him right now. Strange times. I’ve watched tonnes of his content over the years, There are always contradicting sounding things in the world of vocal technique. It’s something I found really confusing at first and actually still now ! Sometimes not as contradictory as it sounds, though. But I’ve heard another coach say KT’s course didn’t work for him, which I was surprised at. What did I say that contradicted him?
Lifting? Is there some confusion here around lifting the soft palate? This is completely different to lifting the larynx. ….. I’d love to know what you meant. Thanks.
@singingmatterscalder Actually I was just commenting a bit tongue in cheek cos I have seen a few Tamplin videos over the years but never took him very seriously. And I know what you present is much better than what Ken pushes. I sing at a lot of open mics. What I've come to realize over the years is singing thru a mic is much different than without using one. Also even when screaming out a line like from e.g. Dizzy Mizz Lizzy or Heartache Tonight it's much better to hold back a bit and use more head voice as opposed to pushing your chest voice to max to reach those high A notes. Nothing more annoying than someone really struggling to reach a high note with chest voice set at 11. Kinda like how Tamplin sings.
@ Aha ! Looks like I nearly took the bait then. Well, in truth I sang like that for years. I was definitely that guy. At 11. It took years to work it out, less is so much more. We are fooled by what we think we hear on record. I agree either way you. As for singing in a mic, yeah, I think the truck is to really know your voice well so it feels right and also to know what the mic will do, especially in the low end. It’s gonna carry much better than it does in a room unplugged. Takes a lot of mic use to really know how it will translate. It does the work for you, so you then have to practice knowing that it will work well on a mic and not over do it. Anyway, seems crazy how someone like him has so much shit round him right now.!
@@singingmatterscalder As u probably well know, it stems from Fil at Wings of Pegasus calling him out for lip syncing on some of his performance videos.Nothing the world despises more than a fraud. Someone who shouldn't go all Milli Vanilli is a vocal coach.
please never delete your channel
@@Radior_ that’s such a nice comment thanks! I nearly didn’t even release this video. I’m glad it’s helping . Cheers
Very relatable as always. I’ve got a gig tonight, but I drank too much last night and got a lot of acid reflux. My voice does not feel ready for the gig lol 😭
@@sugar172 Ah shit ! Have you any Gaviscon? Liquid anti acid type stuff, has to be the liquid. I would recommend that. Hydrate as much as possible. You could gargle some salt water … do some nice easy light warm ups too and just try to persevere until the voice feels a little better connected . Maybe use an ‘ee’ sound on every chromatic note in your whole chest voice range ish………
@@sugar172 also…. Thanks for the comment. Hope the advice helps.
@@singingmatterscalder thank you very much, I’ll try this immediately 👍
@@singingmatterscalderI fucking love how much you care about this stuff brother, that advice was so kind of you, we're all in it together
@ cheers man!
You and my singing teacher are the only two people I have found who can properly teach singing. That might just be what works for me but your teaching is extremely relatable and feels very practical.
Thank you so much! This genuinely means a lot as I wasn’t sure about even sharing this video. You are the first person to use the Super Thanks and I am very grateful! Thank YOU
Very helpful, Calder. Many thanks for this and all of your excellent videos!
@@JeremiahJacques thanks !! It’s nice to see you pop up again, I hope you are well.
I so get this! It's incredibly helpful. I find that I fall into the habit of going too deep/chesty when I'm signing with louder music because I keep thinking I have to sing over it instead of letting the mic do its job.
When going up into the head voice area, I have to use a lot of support to prevent the tone from cracking (doesn't have to sing loud, but a lot of support). Is this how it should be, or should I be able to do go up without support when doing the door squeek exercise?
@@eldeberryhamster well I’d have to see what you were doing to really tell, but things should be able to stay pretty relaxed and easy feeling ideally, generally. You may be over squeezing and over using the support but I’d have to see…