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I had a friend tell me the further in the future u go the less accurate your going to be

Drama always likes to pretend that something like this is actually calculable, when it clearly isn’t or they’d be trillionaire stock traders right now. The future is fundamentally unknowable, black swan events, etc. Even with perfect knowledge of the sector, the error bars are larger than the signal.

Same, but for me it also applies to Quark and Odo

Yup Odo, Kira, or Quark

I think it was more that his verbal sparring partner had been "cheating."

Nope. Changeling Bashir did his best to get along with everyone. And that happened before the secret was out. This is just Julian.

I know, right? Also, I don't know where you're from, but if you've recently driven in Georgia/Florida, then you would have phrased your comment "Can they like kiss already? ...Jesus" Just putting that there for anyone who might get it.

@@RoseETempest hahaha I'm from the Netherlands :P

@@richa16x then just take a moment to feel my jealousy. It's stronger than Garashir subtext.

@@RoseETempest wait what I don't get it? :o

@@richa16x There's a stretch of road in the US South where someone is paid to have tacky religious billboards put up. They're meant to be messages from "Jesus." But they're written, for example, like: "I'm still in control ...Jesus" instead of: "I'm still in control -Jesus." A dash would mean "from" or "by" or something. But they use an ellipses, which means the billboards read like your original comment with "Jesus" just tacked on at the end.

i say this with utmost respect and as an autistic person myself: have you ever been evaluated for autism

@@narutoluvr9977 no, I know it sounds like it but I have had about 3 of these moments in my life where I fixated on 1 small minor detail in a book/movie/TV show where I needed to work it out. It's not so much autism but a small grain of sand in your shoe that is just annoying you when you think of it. Either that's extremely mild autism or the more likely possibility it was just a person wondering if it's possible to do that, then working it out

So the writers didn't make it up? It actually follows the show's own shown info and logic? That's awesome.

@@chillinchumhe’s just pulling your chain.

@@TH-camhandlesaresilly Well, even if he was, I thought it through quickly and thought, though there would be assumptions involved, we can take real world physics plus examples of rules laid down by the show plus some reasonable assumptions to get something, surely? I don't have time, but now I want to rewatch the whole show, and then see what I could work out, myself. That's why it sounded so reasonable, I could do it myself, so why not someone else? XP played myself, perhaps.

Vic...who also is a holosuite character who is part of the holodeck

@@Chris-fy8rk Yeah a holosuite character who wasn't apart of that particular program yet they invited him into their "personal experience". Here they made it seem like nothing and no one could join in when it's obvious they just didn't consider this guy a close enough friend. I would've respected that more than being smug about it.

They're not.

@@essaboselin5252 but Garak and Bashir probably could've been lol

@@essaboselin5252 Miles isn't. Bashir kind of gives hints of a certain sexual fluidity at times. He also has some effiminate qualities though that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

@@kdemetter The writers have said they originally intended for Bashir and Garak to become an item, but the producers shot them down. The only explicit LGBTQ representation they allowed on the show was that one episode with Jadzia and Dax's ex. Basically, Bashir is canonically not straight.

never saw any gay moments with bashir and garak, meanwhile bashir and o'brien had lots of gay undertones.

He's a special flavour of Bisexual. I think it's also those big doe like eyes.

I don't think he's flirting- I think he's pissed. I don't think he likes " the new Bashir ". Sorry, Garak, but being a friend/boyfriend of a real life agent " ages " you. Deal with it, cry baby.

stop trying to ruin garak with your gay j wish worldview

Arguing is a form of courtship with Cardassians ;)

RNG in a nutshell. Playing FGO, many times I got my characters with a 80% chance of criting *and they don't crit.* >:x So yeah, Bashir was on to something there.

Roll a nat 20 and watch the wormhole aliens put their prophetic foot up the founders' wet backsides.

They really should have pushed the implied gay angle for both of them. Or Bi in Bashir's case.

@@mmjahink I agree!!

If it makes you feel any better, Andrew Robinson has straight-up said that he played Garak as attracted to Bashir from the get-go.

@@wanderkind0 Thats an understatement. upon seeing him for the first time during the scene. His first thought was: Hes te most beautiful man I have ever seen His second thought was: I want to fuck that guy

He's just angry that Bashir was able to keep it secret. Or that he couldn't figure it out before the thing became public knowledge.

It could be he figured it out and felt special, and is more mad that the secret got out so sloppily. Partly from his life as a spy, partly for no longer having that dirt on Bashir, and partly because he likely had this great setup to reveal he knows, all ruined. Garak loved that Cardassian book that talked about trials that explain the guilt of criminals perfectly, he probably had some Danganronpa style full explanation thing ready to spring, and then in stumbles a couple old farts to poop al over it.

Garak wants to feel special. LOL

pumpkinofdoom is this the first episode where Garak knows? Or is there one before this where he references Bashir’s augmentations?

I think it's kinda funny in a way. Bashir acted all altruistic and principled, while all along being more like Garak than he would let on. Perhaps Garak had discovered that secret and *that* is what initially drew him to the doctor. Though, I suspect Garak would really be more upset about not realizing when Bashir had been replaced by a Changeling for however long it'd been since they last used the older uniforms.

Garak deep down admires this deception.

A klingon kiss is a fist to the jaw. im concerned a cardassian one is a knife in the back. Not hitting anything vital, but close enough to tickle them.

+Crimson SP Horned rimmed glasses, its a nickname for Noah Bennet

0syren OHH, ok thx for clarification

That doesn't explain Dukat and Kira.

Actually it kind of does. Kira constantly reminds Dukat she hates him, which Dukat being a Cardassian probably finds attractive. He also would know better than to respond in kind with, since Kira is not a cardassian.

@@DragblackerI raise you one: that scene between Dukat and Garak during the Klingon attack.

They're adorable together.

I think you mean "interpret".

Umm ... Because it's *not* flirting? It's two friends bickering. Good grief! You'd probably think they were flirting if they were discussing mold.

@@Chocobear555 Andrew Robinson specifically acted their scenes together as Garak being sexually interested in Bashir.

@@thegreenmanofnorwich the scene takes place way after Robinson was told to tone it down. Way after Garak had forced half-cardassian women for love interest. You can't use "actor played character gay" argument post Season 2.

Yeah, he is kind of sexy with his uniform like that.

You are. He might as well just take the jacket off and wear short sleeves like McCoy sometimes did if it's hindering his work so.

And I'm a lesbian and I also think Bashir is attractive. Especially with his uniform open like that, and his coyness and cute smile in the end of this scene.

He could wear a black garbage bag and still look sexy!

And that's why Garak is frustrated. He never saw war from such perspective before.

Plus being a friend/boyfriend of a real life spy.

I understand that reference... Guy Love start playing in the background...