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Neil & Jane Nellis - the Zapotec NT is completed - part 2
My grandparents ended up having four children, all of whom eventually worked in Bible translation. Their family loved to laugh and sing and tell jokes. This is the second part of their lives in BT, in which we reach the completion of the NT in Zapotec of Sierra Juarez (language code zaa). "God has helped us to translate portions of the Old Testament and the complete New Testament. We have done a literacy program, with primers, a dictionary, grammar and reading books. We have trained and discipled many Zapotecs, done medical work, taught music, helped choirs and programs, participated in community projects, sent Zapotecs to schools of higher education, done group service and public relations, and hospitality, counseling, discipleship and a few other things. We even had a part in beginning a radio program in Zapotec. Now there are many trained Pastors and leaders, churches and Christian workers."
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Neil & Jane Nellis - Pioneer Translators in Mexico - part 1
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My grandma and grandpa Neil and Jane Nellis are no longer with us, but they did leave behind a 60,000 word book that records their story in their own words-their family histories, their conversions, their love story, and the account of their work in Mexico and Bible translation. This is the first part of an abridged version of their story. They lived through the Great Depression, played chess w...
Translation Challenges & Perseverance - with Daniel Case - part 2
มุมมอง 42ปีที่แล้ว
Last episode we began listening to the story of my dad’s life and involvement in Bible translation. In this second and final part we’ll hear about how he broke his neck while in the village, spiritual warfare he and my mom faced, the translation work, and more. Enjoy! Another huge thank you to my dad. I hope this interview proves to be interesting, encouraging, and edifying. Listen to this epis...
Cuba, Vietnam, Medical Missions, and Bible Translation - with Daniel Case - part 1
มุมมอง 67ปีที่แล้ว
In this series on people in my family who have contributed to Bible translation, the next person is my dad, Daniel Case. He’s been through a lot in his 75 years of life, from growing up in Cuba to serving in the Vietnam War to being a medical missionary and working for decades in Bible translation for the Chatino people of El Carrizal in the mountains of Oaxaca, Mexico. I really admire his wisd...
Bible Translation, WWII, and Fidel Castro - an interview with Edward Case
มุมมอง 120ปีที่แล้ว
There are actually a lot of people in my family who are currently involved in Bible translation or were at some point, so I thought it would be fun and interesting to put together a series that tells their stories. Each one is unique, and my hope is that this will give you a window into some of the history of Bible translation and the different experiences and challenges that people have faced,...
An Experiment in Oral Scripture Adaptation - part 5
มุมมอง 68ปีที่แล้ว
Today we finish the series on Oral Scripture Adaptation with a fascinating look at all the parallels between Fang and OT culture we discovered throughout the process. This is one of my favorite things to share with people. Music by Canuto Ngui "Nfumayong" from Equatorial Guinea. Listen to this episode without video here: spotifyanchor-web.app.link/e/7Tcb5YxT7zb Check out the podcast at workingf...
An Experiment in Oral Scripture Adaptation - part 4
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Here are some of the things I reference in the episode: Make It Free: Improving Online Effectiveness by Removing All Barriers to Accessing and Sharing Content and the follow-up article: www.desiringgod.org/articles/make-it-free www.desiringgod.org/articles/objections-to-making-it-free From Orality to Orality: A New Paradigm for Contextual Translation of the Bible: www.amazon.com/Orality-Context...
An Experiment in Oral Scripture Adaptation - part 3
มุมมอง 71ปีที่แล้ว
We continue the story, talk a little about why oral Bible translation matters, and listen to some more cool samples. Here's a video of how we did the sound effects for the recording of the Exodus: th-cam.com/video/R_9PLkgPLiI/w-d-xo.html. If you're curious, you can download and listen to the first part of Genesis that we produced here: onedrive.live.com/?authkey=!AEHWj1BX9FC6TcY&id=BCB2002E8D07...
An Experiment in Oral Scripture Adaptation - part 2
มุมมอง 85ปีที่แล้ว
The story continues, and we listen to some samples. Here's the music video of the Exodus 15 song that we filmed (make sure to activate the English subtitles): th-cam.com/video/kQu9QtjCnT0/w-d-xo.html Music by Canuto Ngui "Nfumayong" from Equatorial Guinea. Listen to this episode without video here: spotifyanchor-web.app.link/e/lWcFjWIm6zb Check out the podcast at workingfortheword.com
An Experiment in Oral Scripture Adaptation - part 1
มุมมอง 89ปีที่แล้ว
The advance of globalization among the minority languages of the world is rapidly changing the landscape of Bible translation. Though a complete written Bible is a worthy goal, in some cases the declining vitality of minority languages and lack of mother-tongue literacy make this approach impractical. By the time the completed Bible is published, there may be few left to read it. Facing this re...
The Use & Misuse of the King James Bible with Dr. Mark Ward - part 2
มุมมอง 117ปีที่แล้ว
“This lightly written and frequently amusing book gently hides the competent scholarship that underlies it. For those who are convinced of the superiority of the KJV, whether for stylistic, cultural, pedagogical, theological, or traditional reasons, this is the book to read. Mercifully, Dr. Ward does not pummel his readers or sneer at those who take another position. Patiently, chapter by chapt...
The Use & Misuse of the King James Bible with Dr. Mark Ward - part 1
มุมมอง 165ปีที่แล้ว
The King James Bible remains the most recognizable piece of literature in the English-speaking world. It stands as a masterful example of translation for its day, involving some of history’s most remarkable scholars. For over three centuries it served as the standard English Bible and has had unparalleled influence on English and American culture in nearly every sphere-including education, law,...
How Broken Is the Bible Translation Industry? A Response to an Article
มุมมอง 4.7Kปีที่แล้ว
Back in 2021 an article entitled "Just How Broken Is the Bible Translation Industry?" came out on MinistryWatch. People keep asking me what I think about it. I've waited a long time to let the organizations critiqued in the article have a chance to speak for themselves and respond to the article, but they never did. This episode is my summary and thoughts on the article, and an encouragement to...
Are We Being Strategic in Ending Bible Poverty? - towards a dorean reformation - part 3
มุมมอง 85ปีที่แล้ว
Does the Bible translation movement need a Dorean reformation? Do our organizations reflect a sense of urgency to eradicate Bible poverty to the point of casting off anything that hinders so that we can all run the race towards helping the Bibleless without friction or obstacles? Do they reflect the radical generosity of the heart of Jesus shown in the very Bible they are trying to get into the...
The Dorean Principle & Bible Translation - with Conley Owens - part 2
มุมมอง 50ปีที่แล้ว
Last episode we introduced the idea of "the dorean principle," which is explained in Conley Owens’ free book. We left the interview wondering how this applies to Bible translations and manuscripts, so we’re back to finish the conversation and apply Jesus’ principle of freely giving to those issues. We’ll also discuss how the concept of intellectual property is unbiblical, goes against natural l...
One of the Most Important Books of the Last Hundred Years: The Dorean Principle - with Conley Owens
มุมมอง 105ปีที่แล้ว
One of the Most Important Books of the Last Hundred Years: The Dorean Principle - with Conley Owens
The Bible in Sign Language - a window into a project in Spain, part 2
มุมมอง 42ปีที่แล้ว
The Bible in Sign Language - a window into a project in Spain, part 2
The Bible in Sign Language - the reality, the need, the challenges, part 1
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The Bible in Sign Language - the reality, the need, the challenges, part 1
Considering Diligently Yahweh's Steadfast Love - Psalm 107 & Lamentations 3:32
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Considering Diligently Yahweh's Steadfast Love - Psalm 107 & Lamentations 3:32
Translation Consultant as Chef, and More - an interview with Drew Maust
มุมมอง 38ปีที่แล้ว
Translation Consultant as Chef, and More - an interview with Drew Maust
Translation Insights and Perspectives - exploring the riches of the world's languages
มุมมอง 35ปีที่แล้ว
Translation Insights and Perspectives - exploring the riches of the world's languages
Poop & Other Discouragements from the Sausage Factory of Bible Translation
มุมมอง 59ปีที่แล้ว
Poop & Other Discouragements from the Sausage Factory of Bible Translation
Introducing FOBAI & Their Standards - The Forum of Bible Agencies International
มุมมอง 68ปีที่แล้ว
Introducing FOBAI & Their Standards - The Forum of Bible Agencies International
Did Job Repent or Was He Comforted? - diving deep into Job 42:6
มุมมอง 158ปีที่แล้ว
Did Job Repent or Was He Comforted? - diving deep into Job 42:6
Where to Start When Checking a New Translation Project
มุมมอง 35ปีที่แล้ว
Where to Start When Checking a New Translation Project
Towards a Better Understanding of "Holy" - part 3
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Towards a Better Understanding of "Holy" - part 3
Towards a Better Understanding of "Holy" - part 4
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Towards a Better Understanding of "Holy" - part 4
Towards a Better Understanding of "Holy" - part 2
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Towards a Better Understanding of "Holy" - part 2
Towards a Better Understanding of "Holy" - Challenging the status quo part 1
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Towards a Better Understanding of "Holy" - Challenging the status quo part 1
How to Translate Hebrew Poetry Step by Step - a basic guide
มุมมอง 185ปีที่แล้ว
How to Translate Hebrew Poetry Step by Step - a basic guide

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  • @Satanisruined
    @Satanisruined 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Praise the Lord they chose sons of Israel, when I listen to people like you speak all I can think of is what Paul said to Timothy "ever learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth"

  • @philtheo
    @philtheo หลายเดือนก่อน

    On the one hand, I think there are relatively few must-buy books for most Christian. Primarily the Bible of course. Otherwise there's plenty of excellent and often free material that can be found online, through libraries, and the like. On the other hand, while I hesitate to say Myths and Mistakes in New Testament Textual Criticism is a must-buy book, I will say that those who, for whatever reason (e.g. teaching, apologetics) have an interest in NT textual criticism should seriously consider buying and owning this book! It is excellent - informative, intelligent, even edifying. For those in NT textual criticism, or NT studies, or related fields, I can't think of a better book to help one sort out these "myths" perpetuated by Ehrman and others. There's Dirk Jongkind's An Introduction to the Greek NT, Peter Gurry and John Meade's Scribes and Scripture, Peter Williams's Can We Trust the Gospels?, all of which are likewise well worth reading but more popular level (though without watering down anything), but I think Myths and Mistakes in NT Textual Criticism is the best of the lot, though also more advanced in terms of scholarship. Perhaps it'd be good to first read one of these books, such as Gurry and Meade's book, then read Myths and Mistakes.

  • @MrAsifAsif-f4z
    @MrAsifAsif-f4z 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ❤❤❤youtube.com/@pastorkhalidjavedbiblemessestv?si=nZfeMo_8qR6WwfK8. ❤❤ good work 🌷👍👍 God bless you 🌺🙏🙏 Amen 💕💕💕

  • @davidbusuttil9086
    @davidbusuttil9086 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The “re” in refried beans functions the same. You only do it one but you do it well

  • @malleluja
    @malleluja 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    An then the great Babylon was born

  • @welcome_home_son
    @welcome_home_son 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, great channel, please upload once more

    • @workingfortheword
      @workingfortheword 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great! I hope you're able to follow for new episodes that I keep publishing on Spotify and other podcast platforms! These videos became too much work to put together after having a baby :) workingfortheword.com

  • @gmac6503
    @gmac6503 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nicely presented. I have 11 Spanish translations on my BibleWorks and 2 have sons of god. Only the CAB (Castilian Bible Version - 2003)) and PER (La Biblia del Peregrino - Alonso translation) versions are correct. English is my native language while I study Spanish, Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, Ugaritic daily and heavily studying the DSS. Loved hearing from the Tigay Commentary and of course Tov on Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible 3rd and 4th Editions are valuable but you had to limit your time and I understand that you can't name all important commentaries/books/etc.

  • @pj_ytmt-123
    @pj_ytmt-123 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2 Tim. 2:15 has been used to justify a *very dangerous* heresy, which is Dualism (god of OT/flesh=bad, god of NT/spirit=good). The verse actually refers to Gen. 4:7 of the Septuagint, and the english translation reads: "Hast thou not sinned if thou hast brought it rightly, but not rightly divided it? be still, to thee shall be his submission, and thou shalt rule over him. (Gen. 4:7 LXX)" This verse, found _only_ in the LXX, indicates that jewish priests exercised favoritism when distributing offerings (ie. respect of persons). Furthermore, it could indicate that the original Book of Genesis was changed between 200BC and 1AD in order to hide their corrupt practices. The KJV is still good for the NT (which even the Greek Orthodox Church borrows heavily from), but when it comes to the OT, virtually _all_ english translations are based upon the corrupted Masoretic Text, so the Septuagint is the authoritative Scripture. P.S. That also means Christians shouldn't get woozy over rabbinic esotericism about jumping letters, gematria, etc. Because the original Scripture had been tampered with, it may all be contrived. P.P.S. The original Hebrew sources for the Septuagint are allegedly lost, funny how that works.

  • @williambrewer
    @williambrewer 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow. It seems to me like she's advocating for something that is foreign to what Jesus himself taught. He said he has come to set a man at variance with his family. I don't see why we would try to create something contrary to the words of Jesus. I doubt such an insider movement would ever take place within Islam anyway. Islam already has the concept of innovation (adding to the religion or changing it) and rightly vilifies it. Neither biblical Christianity nor Islam the favorably on innovation.

  • @williambrewer
    @williambrewer 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great content! Thank you! God bless!

  • @williambrewer
    @williambrewer 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just found your channel. Very glad!!

    • @workingfortheword
      @workingfortheword 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great! I hope you're able to follow for new episodes that I keep publishing on Spotify and other podcast platforms! These videos became too much work to put together after having a baby :) workingfortheword.com

    • @williambrewer
      @williambrewer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@workingfortheword I understand! Thank you and God bless your growing family!

  • @qazyman
    @qazyman 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Isreal didn't exist yet.

    • @slaveofjesus3878
      @slaveofjesus3878 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yet God had ordained that they be His people from eternity past. He's the one that did the dividing... (Yet I strongly lean toward the referenced dead sea, and LXX manuscript readings.)

    • @qazyman
      @qazyman 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@slaveofjesus3878 - God had ordained that all are created in his image, and I don't see how he could have set boundaries by some thing that didn't exist. I don't think it makes sense. It seems more likely to me that it was added latter. But I'm not claiming to be an expert.

    • @slaveofjesus3878
      @slaveofjesus3878 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@qazyman I would say to not limit what God can do...

    • @Satanisruined
      @Satanisruined 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Exactly and that's why this is written that way, because God knew they would exist and he put together the map in regards to them existing that's exactly what this text is stating.

    • @qazyman
      @qazyman 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @Satanisruined That is not what is being said. That's why it's not in the Dead Sea scrolls, and most translations have corrected this. I appreciate your zeal, but no one was thinking about something that didn't exist. I know it's a shock, but scribes don't always get it right. For a variety of reasons. He set boundaries by Isreal but took Jacob as his portion. When you understand what's being said, that makes no sense.

  • @danielboone8256
    @danielboone8256 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What eloquent writers the Church Fathers were

  • @chrislucastheprotestantview
    @chrislucastheprotestantview 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Despite you having a few views and subscribers to your channel it's a really really good Channel that makes much needed content

    • @workingfortheword
      @workingfortheword 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great! I hope you're able to follow for new episodes that I keep publishing on Spotify and other podcast platforms! These videos became too much work to put together after having a baby :) workingfortheword.com

    • @chrislucastheprotestantview
      @chrislucastheprotestantview 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@workingfortheword yes having a baby can really be rough. Especially if you're trying to give your wife a break. And if your wife is working it's extremely rough. My wife tried to insist on working and I about lost my mind because my job was trying to make me work 12 to 14 hours a day. I'm coming home and trying to take care of a child and doing it mostly on one or two hours of sleep a day. And my son was sort of an odd baby because sometimes that kid just would not sleep for like 20 hours and then my wife got in a fight with me cuz she's trying to accuse me of messing up a sleep schedule, but the fact was he never slept. That's why it is best if she can just stay home, take care of the baby, so crazy arguments like that are minimized. Because if she's home all day with the child then she can't accuse you of doing much if she's there. So hopefully it's not that rough for you. But anyway it's understandable that having a baby put a dent in your time because you're probably being a responsible father. And it's important to manage your time wisely

  • @chrislucastheprotestantview
    @chrislucastheprotestantview 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I had no idea about this translation. Much appreciated anyone made such a video exposing this. Great arguments you put forth. The parody was very helpful.

  • @chrislucastheprotestantview
    @chrislucastheprotestantview 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was such a huge help in figuring so much out. It is probably my favorite video I have heard on this subject so far

  • @chrislucastheprotestantview
    @chrislucastheprotestantview 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very interesting, i never heard anything like this.

  • @welcome_home_son
    @welcome_home_son 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Beast

  • @yoshkebenstadapandora1181
    @yoshkebenstadapandora1181 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very interesting. Not sure what to think. What is the most accurate translation? Which version of the Septuagint? Or majority text Bible? I am certain the minority critical texts are garbage.

  • @wildhunt3302
    @wildhunt3302 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jerome was one of the very few, that argued against the deutero-canon. The majority kept and used it. It was even used by the Jews before the time of Christ and referenced several times in the New Testament. The Church has always used it. The DC was not a new thing added by the council of Trent like this video implies. It was affirmed as the canon because the Protestants denied it in the reformation. The Church usually has counsels in reaction to issues rather than developing new doctrine. Look at the counsel of Jerusalem in the book of Acts in response to the issue of circumcision.

    • @Richie_roo
      @Richie_roo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It was affirmed in previous councils but dogmatized at trent

  • @CRoadwarrior
    @CRoadwarrior 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sons of Israel is the best reading based on the immediate context of Deuteronomy 32:8. Prior to that verse, the author of Deuteronomy never used the phrase in Hebrew "sons of God." However, the author did use "sons of Israel" at least 19 times prior. It makes no sense that all of a sudden the author would switch to "sons of God," when he never used those words before in his writing. As a writer myself, I understand that writers generally use a specific style, and they only deviate from that style if there is a compelling reason to do so. There is no such reason in Deut. 32.

    • @endoftheagereality
      @endoftheagereality 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Believe an imperative concept missing in your expository here is the lack of knowledge in "spirit-realm" activity in general. There is more here and throughout the "Old Testament" to be understood than the consensus arrived at from organized intuitional "Christendom."

    • @CRoadwarrior
      @CRoadwarrior 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@endoftheagereality That may be part of the problem. As if everything "institutional" by default must be problematic or wrong. Not so. The facts and the evidence should persuade, not speculation about how an institution must be wrong ipso facto.

    • @Satanisruined
      @Satanisruined 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Agreed and to go with that, Jesus told us in John 10 who the gods were that he was referring to? John 10:34-35 (KJV) 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; did the word of God come unto angels? Was Isaiah a god? ​@@CRoadwarrior

    • @Satanisruined
      @Satanisruined 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​​​​​@@endoftheagerealityThis is exactly the problem that we have these days, Paul references this to the Corinthians and says don't be wise by the world's standards, but become a fool, and become wise in the ways of God. We have become wise in the ways of the world but rejected the ways of God no wonder our society in the world is falling apart even our "Christians" are falling for lies. I hear so many of them speaking of earth that is billions of years old and evolution and saying that somehow this still fits with scripture. Not to mention lgbtqiap affirming. The great falling away has begun and the apostasy has come as expected through the seminary and the clergy

  • @GatheringJacob
    @GatheringJacob 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    All the Sons of Elohim are only the sons of Israel! Weather a person is from Abrahams genetics or from the nations, ALL sons of Elohim are those grafted into the vine of Messiah Yeshua by faith, and if you have the faith of Abraham then you are the sons of Abraham! Obviously “sons of God” in the OT is always angels, the heavenly hosts. I know of zero references in the OT where “sons of God” are ever human mortal men, even in Deut 32:8. Now when the prophecy is made regarding the son of David being a son to YHWH, we know this is referring to the Messiah who was “begotten” at his resurrection according to Acts 13. So we mortal men will be the “sons of God” at our resurrection, when we become heavenly immortal beings like the angels! The true Israel of YHWH, are those who are in Messiah Yeshua now by faith and are called the sons of God, but one day this promise will not be according to faith, it will be reality when we will be like him, actually immortal heavenly beings, sons of Elohim. In the context of the passage it seems like sons of Israel are in view, but considering the info I have presented, sons of God, probably was the original text, looking forward to the Millenial reign when the sons of Elohim will be revealed and govern the world with Messiah Yeshua as King. We sons of Elohim will rule the nations and be given boundaries to govern. Hopefully that is understandable. This is the best way to understand this text in context.

  • @barryjtaft
    @barryjtaft 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In a synagogue in the 1st century, one could only read the Hebrew scrolls or the Targum (a translation of the Hebrew Bible into Aramaic). Greek was forbidden. Recall that Antiochus Epiphanes desecrated the Solomon’s temple circa 170 BC. Thus, the need for Herod to build the 2nd temple. The Jews of the 1st century despised the Greeks, for that and other reasons. The only evidence for a BC Septuagint is the letter of Aristeas, which no one believers but everyone quotes. It is a fantastic tale (read fantasy). There is no reference to a Septuagint prior to 50 AD (+/-). If you trace all the reference to a BC Septuagint, you will find that each and every on them references the Letter of Aristeas in one form or another. So, the only witness to a BC Septuagint is the Letter of Aristeas (LOA). If one believes the LOA, one has to believe also that the 10 northern tribes of Israel were not dispersed to four winds after 721 BC. From this diaspora they never returned. Rather you have to believe that they were still in Israel in 285 BC, since the LOA claims that 6 scribes from each of the 12 tribes of Israel were assembled in Egypt by Ptolemy Philadelphus. Incidentally, a land to which the Jews were forbidden ever to return to. Deuteronomy 28:68. Incidentally, none of the ancient writers who refer to the LOA agree on which Ptolemy is referred to. Only the Levites were allowed to copy the scriptures (with the exception of the King who had to make a copy for himself). So, one has to add to that belief that 72 scribes (not Levites) defiled themselves among the Greeks and defied the scriptures and God’s wishes in order to copy the scriptures as well as going to a land to which they were forbidden ever to return. More so, add to that belief, that 72 scribes, each without a copy of the Hebrew scriptures, translated them from memory into Greek in 72 days and every single word was identical all the while being locked up in 72 chambers on the isle of Pharos without any collaboration between them. And by the way, why is it called LXX "The 70"? And may I say ”Incidentally” again? Incidentally, the Pharos light house was not built until 280 BC, 5 years after the blessed event. A minor point. To sum up, we are to believe that God inspired the work of 72 (not 70) disobedient, non-Levitical scribes who rendered 72 identical copies of the Hebrew scriptures from memory into Greek. Really? Incidentally (one more time), the LOA section 176 says that the whole scroll was written in gold. Really? Where is it? You’d think that someone would have a vested interest in preserving such a priceless document. Where is it? It doesn’t exist! Finally, If you were to get a copy of the Septuagint, you would find that it is nothing more than the Old Testament portions of the codex Alexandrinus, the codex Sinaiticus and the codex Vaticanus, along with the Apocrypha. The Dead Sea scrolls contains only a few scraps of Greek OT words, certainly no Septuagint. Earlier English translations included the apocryphal books as part of the old testament. The KJB translators included the apocryphal books because it was part of their mandate, but they placed them in a separate section called the “Apocrypha” meaning “writings…not considered genuine”. And they headed each page with the title Apocrypha to dispel any doubt of their intention. If you believe that Jesus quoted from the Septuagint, you have to also believe that Jesus endorsed the Apocrypha. Including prayers for the dead! Including praying to angels! Including purgatory! The Septuagint? Really?

    • @kathismatastic
      @kathismatastic 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So many lies there.

    • @barryjtaft
      @barryjtaft 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kathismatastic for example?

  • @larrymoore2571
    @larrymoore2571 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Are 'sons of God' and sons of Israel exclusive? Sons are God are those willing to be led by God. ~ Romans 8:14; "For 'ALL' who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." This is not exclusive to any type of created being, but all that are led by God. ~ Exodus 4:22; “Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says the LORD, “Israel is My son, My firstborn." People that want to interject that God divided the nations at Babel, fail to realize that this time God is dividing the nations according to the number of the 'SONS' of Israel (or 'sons of God'... same thing). ~ Deuteronomy 32:7; “Remember the days of old, Consider the years of all generations. Ask your father, and he will inform you, Your elders, and they will tell you. What people forget to realize is this song that Moses is writing is for 'FUTURE GENERATIONS' to remember God bringing in the 12 tribes to the promised land. So, it is written in past-tense for future generations. ~ Deuteronomy 31:19-21; “Now therefore, write this song for yourselves, and teach it to the sons of Israel; put it on their lips, so that this song may be a witness for Me against the sons of Israel. For when I bring them into the land flowing with milk and honey, which I swore to their fathers, and they have eaten and are satisfied and become prosperous, then they will turn to other gods and serve them and spurn Me and break My covenant. Then it shall come about, when many evils and troubles have come upon them, that this song will testify before them as a witness (for it shall not be forgotten from the lips of their descendants); for I know their intent which they are developing today, before I have brought them into the land which I swore.” We can really get off track when we ignore the overall context and pick apart one verse.

  • @xchanxzenx
    @xchanxzenx 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Obviously, the Masoretic texts are an anti-Christian work, and Jerome made a mistake following the Rabbis in retranslating the OT, he also preached that celibacy was superior to the married life (another obvious error). Also note that the Dead Sea scrolls are fake, and attack the Virgin Mary. Christians need to stop following the "advice" of the Rabbis and return to LLX for their OT readings.

    • @tummelplatz763
      @tummelplatz763 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Celibacy is superior to the married life.

  • @annapennrose1158
    @annapennrose1158 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You need a new source of history...

  • @BeingRefined
    @BeingRefined 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you give any thoughts on why Jeremiah 33:14-26 is missing out of the LXX?

  • @Xargxes
    @Xargxes 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dear Andrew, a great fan here from Amsterdam. Keep up the good work! Would love to know your thoughts on Septuagint vs Masoretic readings, (especially compared with the Dead Sea Scrolls.) Warm regards.

  • @anthonylogiudice9215
    @anthonylogiudice9215 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    32:18 - The Catholic Church relented because of the Reformation and so, Jerome's translation of the MT won out at the Council of Trent.

  • @Tmanaz480
    @Tmanaz480 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just finished "When God Spoke Greek" by Timothy Law. Great deep dive into a this subject.

  • @SibleySteve
    @SibleySteve 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Prov 15 LXX and Vulgate contains a line from a H source now long lost “by almsgiving and faithfulness sins are purged.” Fortunately the MT has a similar idea in Prov 16:6 and ThDan 4. The LXX and original Hebrew sources seem to encourage charity on a redemptive scale not seen again until the Pauline epistles (Eph 4:28, 1 Cor 13, etc).

  • @PuddinMinistries
    @PuddinMinistries ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic. I had no idea there was such controversy

  • @NeuKrofta
    @NeuKrofta ปีที่แล้ว

    So Augustine was right, that it would cause a schism and it was Judaizing scripture... well how about that. The Church and Christians owe no "debt to Jews." They reject Christ of their own volition.

  • @iBishopEsquire
    @iBishopEsquire ปีที่แล้ว

    Why would Naomi Siedman agree with Talmudic Rabbi's opinion on the Bible. They are so hostile to Christ that one should find it obvious they are going to "laugh" at the Septuagint and say its a scam. Yale scholar Peter Schaefer has some youtube content about the Talmud's horrific attitude towards Christ. The Hebrews that founded Christianity carried on the religion of Israel, but another rival religion was created (Judaism) that was almost designed to be anti-Christian.

  • @jamessheffield4173
    @jamessheffield4173 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why some have problems with Reasoned eclecticism. I John 5:7 is found in a majority of the Latin, but not the Greek so out it goes. Good will towards men Doxology in Matthew Without cause God manifest in the flesh Are a majority in the Greek but not in the Latin, so out they go The PA and Mark 16:9-20 are a majority in both the Greek and Latin so out they go. Even the “not yet” found in the two of the earliest(P66.P75) in John 7:8 some throw out. If as an orthodox Christian you don't see a problem, what would you see as a problem?

  • @Shevock
    @Shevock ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you even read Luther's book on the Jews? Both those saints believed firmly in the unity of the church. Not the divisions from the trunk we have today.

  • @brotherbenjamin644
    @brotherbenjamin644 ปีที่แล้ว

    Praised be the Lord for the great wisdom and bravery he has given you, for your gift of thinking and doing things differently. It is a great blessing for all of us, God will create a grand tree out of the seeds you have planted. Thank you so much for your ministry.

  • @chrisswain6702
    @chrisswain6702 ปีที่แล้ว

    Correct me if im wrong but wasn Abraham around 47 years old when the nations were devided. He had not even had a son yet. So sons of israel would be impossible. Also werent the nations already devided between the decendants of noah. Thats what the table of nations were about. Why would they be devide with humans again. God saying his portion is Israel tells me tis is a heavenly realm devision.

    • @slaveofjesus3878
      @slaveofjesus3878 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm of the same opinion of our video host. In response to your question I would point out that God is well able to foresee & for-ordain the number of the children of Israel long before, and thus He COULD divide the nations accordingly. I still think the older dead sea scroll reading is the original however.

  • @Jerônimo_de_Estridão
    @Jerônimo_de_Estridão ปีที่แล้ว

    Both of them were "supersetionists", both of them believe that the Church was the true Israel, the jews were the ones who leave the Church/Congregation of God when they reject the Messiah. Jerome was no lover of Jews, and it is very explicit if we read his letters to Augustine. Jerome did not want to change the text of the church "by his own authority", he explicitly says that his translation should be used as a tool for the Christians to know what was in the hebrew, without having to rely on the jews

  • @g.v.6450
    @g.v.6450 ปีที่แล้ว

    I heard someone say “There is no ambiguity in Ancient Greek”. I had one counter argument off the top of my head: In the Lord’s Prayer you have the phrase “αλλά ρεμας ήμιν εκ του πονηρού”. This phrase has the genitive “του πονερου” which is the genitive of both “ό πονερος” (the evil one) AND “το πονερον” (evil as a general thing). So is it “Deliver us from the evil one” or “Deliver us from evil”? Actually it can be either. Both translations are equally accurate and just based on the passage there is no way to decide between them.

  • @jamessheffield4173
    @jamessheffield4173 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why not cite what the AV scholars actually had to sign, "All the Books of the New Testament, as they are commonly received, we do receive, and account them Canonical". FYI, I equate books with texts.

  • @BradMcFadden
    @BradMcFadden ปีที่แล้ว

    Why does he continue to refuse to discuss the KJVER which answers all his objections while preserving the richness and accuracy of the AV?

  • @Sons_of_Thunder.
    @Sons_of_Thunder. ปีที่แล้ว

    Deuteronomy 32 The text is correct as sons of God in Deuteronomy 32:8. The Hebrew would be >>>>(בני האלהים‎, bənê hāʼĕlōhîm<<<< "Translation" is Correct, But "Application" of the NLT, NIV of angleic beings is Incorrect, because if angelic the text is would not agree with Moses and the thought of Moses. The Greek Septuagint is in ERROR, becasue it put angels in the text, reason why is the Greeks believed that the pagan god Zeus (king of the gods), married and impregnated mortal human woman Alcmene and she gave birht to Heracles. So a person can see instead of Zeus, that angels was the thought in the Greek Septuagint, because of Greek Mythology. Okay looking at Deuteronomy 32 and why Application is Incorrect is because of the Context. A person Cannont just look at verse 8. Let's look at more Context with verse 7 included. Deuteronomy 32 7 Remember the days of old; consider the years of many generations; ask your father, and he will show you, your elders, and they will tell you. 8 When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God. KEY words are "MANY GENERATIONS" in verse 7 this is all in CONTEXT. One Translation may use "sons of God" may another may use "children of Israel". The sons of God are found in Genesis 5 the years of Many Generations. Many people do not NOT recognize " The Years of MANY GENERATIONS" in verse 7. Where you find " The Years of MANY GENERATIONS" is in Genesis 5. The Patriarchs of Genesis 5 are the sons of God, listed from Adam to Noah which is Genesis 5. What is posted is chapter and verse with the years of Many Generations that they lived. Here they are for you, look at the longivity of Life they had and would have saw "Many Generations" (Deuteronomy 32:7), this just makes sense. Also what is list is up to Jacob (Israel). 1) Adam (Genesis 5:3-5) Lived: 930 Years. 12) Arphaxad (Genesis 11: 12-13) Lived 438 Years 2) Seth (Genesis 5:3, 6-8) Lived: 912 Years. 13) Shelah Genesis (11: 14-15) Lived 433 Years 3) Enosh (Genesis 5:6, 9-11) Lived: 905 Years. 14) Eber Genesis (11: 16-17) Lived 464 Years 4) Cainan (Genesis 5:9, 12-14) Lived: 910 Years. 15) Peleg Genesis (11: 18-19) Lived 239 Years 5) Mahalalel (Genesis 5:12, 15-18) Lived 895 Years. 16) Reu Genesis (11: 20-21) Lived 239 Years 6) Jared (Genesis 5:15, 18-20) Lived 962 Years. 17) Serug Genesis (11: 22-23) Lived 230 Years 7) Enoch (Genesis 5:18, 21-24) Lived 365 Years/Translated never saw death. 18) Nahor Genesis (11: 22-23) Lived 148 Years 8) Methuselah (Genesis 5:21, 25-27) Lived 969 Years. 19) Terah Genesis (11: 32) Lived 205 Years 9) Lamech (Genesis 5: 25, 28-31) Lived 777 Years. 20) Abram (Abraham) (Genesis 25: 7) Lived 175 Years 10) Noah (Genesis 5:28-29) Lived 950 Years. 21) Isaac (Genesis 25: 7) Lived 180 Years 11) Shem (Genesis 10:10-11) Lived 600 Years. 22) Jacob (Israel) (Genesis 47: 28) Lived 147 Years Genesis 5 would also be in Context with the sons of God of Genesis 6. When scripture was first written in Hebrew there was NO Chapter Breaks or Verse Breaks. Today with Chapter Breaks and Verse Breaks it is easier to look up passages of scripture. Look at Luke 3 this same genealogy line is listed that leads to Christ, Super Angels DO NOThave a geneology line that leads to Christ. Heiser's Super Angels can not procreate, marry women, and have offspring/genealogy line. This also goes against the creative order that each kind produces after it's own kind. It is no different than what the LGBQT plus community promotes when they redefine marriage. Marriage is between a man and a woman, Not an angelic/nonhuman/spirit being and a woman. Another Point with verse 7 of Dueteronomy 32 is >>>>"Remember the days of old". Getting to the thought of the author Moses, Since Moses wrote Torah, the first 5 books of the Bible, which are Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. These "days of old" that Moses mention in verse 7, what Moses is doing is taking the reader back to the Pre-flood time period. Taking Verse 7 (Remember the Days of Old; consider the years of Many Generations;) Can 100% be applied as "sons of God" in Deuteronomy 32:8 as well as Genesis 5 and sons of God in Genesis 6. All makes sense and fits with the Author of Torah who is Moses. The argument is, is that there No Abrahamic covenant yet, that is 100% true when a person applies verse 7 (Remember the Days of Old; consider the years of Many Generations;) it is more clear and plain to see who the "sons of God" are in both Deuteronomy 32:8 and Genesis 6 Nations are named after a father in scripture. Abraham is considered a father. Jacob (Israel) is the father of the twelve tribes. Explaining sons of Israel. Exodus 4:22 says "Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says the Lord, Israel is my firstborn son". God is speaking to Moses in this passage, also this is another book of Torah. The passage of scripture of the name change for Jacob to Israel Genesis 32:28 "Then he said, “Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel, for you have striven with God and with men, and have prevailed.” Israel (Jacob) had 12 sons which would be 12 tirbes with Many Generations. Getting back to Exodus 4:22 says "Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says the Lord, Israel is my firstborn son". Since Israel was the "firstborn son" to the Lord God, which would means Israel/Jacobs offspring would be "sons of God" or also to say "children of Israel". The twelve tribes are as follows: Reuben, Simeon, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Benjamin, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Ephraim and Manasseh. See how many Generations came from Isreal (Jacob) Even the following verses of how the "Text" allows for "sons of Israel" . Deuteromony 32:9 'But the Lord's portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage. 10 “He found him in a desert land, and in the howling waste of the wilderness; he encircled him, he cared for him" Clearly verses 9 and 10 is talking about the "sons of Israel" which would be Jacob's 12 sons/tribes, key words in the text Jacob alotted heritage (Israel). "The Lord's portion is his people" Israel was the Lord's Chosen people The 12 tribes were the ones wondering in the desert land which verse 10 is talking about. That is WHY there is such a debate in the text, both sons of God and children of Israel had "Many Generations". Some promote is a this divine council of super angels, like the Greek Septuagint says, but "angelic beings" does not fit the Context or the thought of Moses in Deuteronomy 32. The conclusive evidence is that angelic beings Can Not or Do Not have "Many Generations" like it saysin the text of verse 7, this is just common sense and logic. Angelic beings cannot marry, procreate, and start families it goes against the struture of the family and institution of marriage, because God created marriage between a man and a woman. Also it would go against the creative order, each kind produces after its own kind. Even looking at Psalm 82:6 "I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;" The word "sons" is used in the Plurality, which would be referencing that the "sons" are human pretaining to the 12 tribes of Israel (Jacob's sons). The word "gods" Jesus answers that in John 10 also human. Michael Heiser a well know teacher of scripture taught gods/elohim and sons are non human, Psalm 82 is his foundation for his false divine council of super angels. The proper way of interpreting the scripture of Deuteronomy 32:8 whether it should be sons of God or children of Israel? Think chronological order, Well which came first the Patriarchs/sons of God, of Genesis 5 and 6 or 12 tribes of Israel, of course it would be the Patriarchs/sons of God which are listed in Genesis 5 with "Many Generations" the longivity of life spans that they would have seen "Many Generations" and did live old ages. This is ALL in Context, Context Is King!! Have to remember when scripture was first written there were no chapter breaks or verse breaks, that was added later in English Translations of scipture. Small summary, Moses tells us who the sons of God are with Remember the Days of Old; consider the years of Many Generations in verse 7 would be Applied to sons of God. Deuteronomy 32 7 Remember the days of old; consider the years of many generations; ask your father, and he will show you, your elders, and they will tell you. 8 When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God. Clearly this is NOT about a divine council of super angels of anything angelic. The The Greek Septuagint is in ERROR and is misleading just look at verse 7 "Remember the Days of Old; consider the years of Many Generations;" or Context applied with proper Hermeneutics, and what the author Moses was telling the reader.

  • @Sons_of_Thunder.
    @Sons_of_Thunder. ปีที่แล้ว

    Seperating the poeple. Tower of babal seperated the Languages. VERSE 8 When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, (OR "sons of Adam") he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God. How God divided mankind is with animal sacrifices/burnt offerings, this started with Cain and Abel the "sons of Adam" or to say "sons of mankind." When God separates the "sons of Adam" or "divided mankind", this is referring to Cain and Abel, found in Genesis 4. All of mankind comes from the FIRST man "Adam" Gen. 4 2-5 "And again, she bore his brother Abel. Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, and Cain a worker of the ground. 3 In the course of time Cain brought to the Lord an offering of the fruit of the ground, 4 and Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for Abel and his offering, 5 but for Cain and his offering he had no regard. So Cain was very angry, and his face fell." Cain’s offering (Ground offering) to God was displeasing so God reject that offering, while God accepted Abel’s offering, because the offering was the first born of his flock (Sheep or young Lamb). Note Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world, even Abel's sacrifice is foreshadowing Jesus and His sacrifice. Cain then dwelt in the land of Nod>>>>Genesis 4: 16 "Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden". Nod in Hebrew means wandering. Abel was of True Faith, while Cain was NOT. Abel presented his offering by Faith......... Hebrews 11:4 " By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts; and through it he being dead still speaks." 1 John 3:12 "not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous." Simply putting it, the Lord God separated the boundaries with the "Righteous and Unrighteous" Abel was Righteous/Cain Unrighteous. The Lord God has Always used a Sacrifice by Faith to separate the peoples, starts back in Genesis. Notice that Cain was of the "wicked one (1 John 3 12)" and Abel was the righteous one (Hebrews 11:4). The separation of the Wicked and Unrighteous like Cain and the Faithful/Righteous like Abel. This is how the nations are separated and how God set the boundaries of the people. Today God separates the people with the Gospel and the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross, those with Faith and without Faith. VERSE 8 (cont.) Speaking on the boundries of the people we see that Cain went and dwelt in the land of Nod, Since Abel was murdured, Seth was NEXT in line. Reason why Seth is Next is because he called on the name of the Lord. Genesis 4 25-26 "And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and called his name Seth, for she said, “God has appointed for me another offspring instead of Abel, for Cain killed him.” 26 To Seth also a son was born, and he called his name Enosh. At that time people began to call upon the name of the Lord. How we know this is with Abram/Abraham When Abram entered Canaan, he camped between Ai and Bethel. There, “he built an altar to the Lord and called on the name of the Lord” (Genesis 12:8). In other words, Abram publicly thanked God, praised His name, and sought His protection and guidance. Genesis 22 3-6 "So Abraham rose early in the morning, saddled his donkey, and took two of his young men with him, and his son Isaac. And he cut the wood for the burnt offering and arose and went to the place of which God had told him."4 On the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes and saw the place from afar. 5 Then Abraham said to his young men, “Stay here with the donkey; I and the boy[a] will go over there and worship and come again to you.” 6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on Isaac his son. And he took in his hand the fire and the knife. So they went both of them together." Years later, Abraham’s son Isaac built an altar to the Lord in Beersheba and also “called on the name of the Lord” (Genesis 26:25). So we can tell calling on the name of the Lord as to do with an altar, animal sacrifice/burnt offering......This is part of worship and prayer with the Pariarchs or to say the sons of God, because these animal sacrifices established covenants between God and man as well as pointing to the sacrifice of the Son of God on the Cross who is Jesus. God establishes covenants with an innocent life given with shed blood, that is why the Patriarchs are the sons of God in an Adopted sense. VERSE 8 ESV "When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders[a] of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God" When a person looks at VERSE 8 when translated to the NKJV "When the Most High divided their inheritance to the nations, When He separated the sons of Adam, He set the boundaries of the peoples, According to the number of the children of Israel." The NKJV says "children of Israel" Not "sons of God", Okay why children of Israel, have to understand Israel is the "chosen" people they have the Law and the prophets as well as a sacrificial system. God had established an animal sacrificial system for them. Both the "children of Israel" and "sons of God" would have the bloodline that leads to Jesus who is the Son of God. The complete Bloodline and Genealogy of Jesus is in Luke chapter 3, that is why "many generations" mentioned in verse 7 is so important. The nation of Israel/Jews also had a day of Atonement and a Levitical priesthood for animal sacrifices/burnt offerings. The Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:27-28), also known as Yom Kippur, Every one of the Old Testament sacrifices typified Christ. The Passover, or paschal, sacrifice was a type of the Lord Jesus Christ as the Lamb of God. The Passover lamb reminded the nation of Israel of their captivity in Egypt. VERSES 9 & 10 of Deut. 32 9 "But the Lord's portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage. 10 “He found him in a desert land, and in the howling waste of the wilderness; he encircled him, he cared for him, he kept him as the apple of his eye." The nation of Israel is also a "son" of God in an Adopted sense.

    • @larrymoore2571
      @larrymoore2571 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Stellar post as usual. You always give additional insight to these topics where one verse is dissected, and the context is ignored. Great work Brother

  • @tony.biondi
    @tony.biondi ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you.

  • @tony.biondi
    @tony.biondi ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you.

  • @SeanRhoadesChristopher
    @SeanRhoadesChristopher ปีที่แล้ว

    I deleted this translation off my e-sword app, because there where things in it that rubbed me wrong. I’m glad I did.

  • @tony.biondi
    @tony.biondi ปีที่แล้ว

    So good! Thank you.

  • @tony.biondi
    @tony.biondi ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you, brothers!

  • @tony.biondi
    @tony.biondi ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating and wonderful! Thank you.