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'Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name, Immanuel (which means, God with us).' (Matthew 1:23) 'When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” Now some of the scribes were sitting there, questioning in their hearts, “Why does this man speak like that? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?” ' (Mark 2: 5-7) '[Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created…' (Colossians 1:15)

My youtube comments have been hacked and removed from over a hundred channels, some cannot be posted others appear to post, over a thousand pages of youtube comments each containing important urgent substantial information were mysteriously unanswered for years except for a few weird and meaningless instances, the underground jesuit inquisition, censorship and persecution of true Christianity simply decides what comments will post and for how long---and it does not stop there, I have been tortured for 20 years on account of my faith and I am robotized and drugged with counterfeited groceries bought at regular markets, on 3 different continents--no civil rights or whatsoever anywhere on the planet, all I think say or do is a jesuit retransmission-distortion of my original ideas and actions, mind and body. The entire matter regarding the comments results in such unreliability that I generally gave up and it surprises me now to find a reply. I wish I was allowed to make a channel so I would not have to answer the same things time and again on an individual basis---I am under heavy tortures and incredible sabotages. Without further ado, the original intention of the argument I proposed was to narrow down the debate to those two verses, one could discuss the entire Bible for that matter, but it would be a protracted debate perhaps better reserved for another setting. The two verses I proposed above prove Jesus is not God but the Son of God. Any disagreements? If you cannot answer those verses then I will proceed to answer the verses you proposed instead. Most Biblical Hebrew names involve the word God or the name of God (YHWH) --which is not Jesus, Jesus being YahShua--meaning 'YHWH Saves', many other Jews had the Hellenized Hebrew name of Jesus in the form of Joshua, Elijah's name for example means 'YHWH is my God' Eli-Yah or king Jehoshafat 'YHWH Judges'---that does not mean that Jehoshafat is the Almighty Judge, the Creator and Most High God: that is just his name; many people have Biblical names today and some have the name Immanuel, that does not make them God either, and the name Immanuel is not a literal prophecy, Jesus' name never was Immanuel. No respectable scholar would use the Immanuel case as an argument in favor of a trinitarian doctrine. Secondly, the Pharisees thought Jesus at the most would be a human prophet, or the Messiah himself, but their understanding was the Messiah would be a human being like king David, and in all these cases they could not abrogate themselves the right to forgive sins who were born in sin. In the case of Jesus is different, he had a previous divine nature among the angels and though he seemed like an ordinary Jew, yet he was born without sin by a miracle of the Holy Spirit and received this authority from God because he would give his life to atone for the sins of the world. God, and the only Mediator between man and God, both can forgive human sin. Finally, the text you cite corroborates what I explain, that Jesus is not God, but His Son, His reflection, His closest image, the first creature (Firstborn son, the sons of God are His creatures, to which He is a Father), the only creature that God made directly, and through him God created all other things in the universe. God has no beginning, He cannot be described as firstborn, Jesus had a beginning and also died and changed---he degraded himself taking a human form and God exalted him to an even higher state after resurrecting him, whereas God has no beginning and no end, cannot die and cannot change. (The trinity is absurd, seriously contradicts very important tenets of Christianity from OT and NT alike, and many across the ages have noted the irreconcilable inconsistencies, it stuck just like so many other nonsense of 'holy grail' church of 'holy sepulcher' within the perimeter of ancient Jerusalem when Romans and especially Jews crucified convicts outside the city--especially in the case of Jerusalem and awaiting a Sabbath-Passover as also in the letter to the Hebrews Paul says Jesus was crucified outside the city, scientifically demonstrable nonsense that has endured from the Middle Ages to this day for the sake of reputation and financial interest, major contributors to ecclesiastical corruption in all religious institutions. All world religions are jesuit infiltrated cults and businesses with a fold that is programmed to be exploited for the benefit of an elite of secret societies a system of hierarchies in pyramidal form that culminates in Rome, following the Vatican's catholic template of usurping the obedience due to Christ and selling the truth of His gospel and His grace to gain worldly power, hence the Vatican who engenders these institutions is called 'mother of harlots'. God commands His people to disaffiliate from those organizations of Babylon the Great, in the form of religious institutions, clubs, societies, mafias; those temples accursed, they have contradicted the truth of God, sold it, suppressed it, persecuted the true Christians, raped women and children, performed satanic rituals, all who would join them become partakers with them of their evil deeds and contribute to them and support the otherwise impracticable enterprises of their leadership, it is quite more than been personally scammed it has serious repercussions for all, those dens of satan wear sheepskins, they have the reputation of fraternity and haven but they are only fraternal and havens to thieves rapists homosexuals sorcerers and evildoers and for the rest, they are traps to scam them abuse them and lead them to perdition---those false religions are the punishment of God to those who have not the true faith. Read the Bible daily and pray continually and be careful to keep all of God's commandments, then God will favor you and enlighten your understanding; compliment the Bible with readings of history--do not take for granted all that textbooks say, if you intently seek the truth, you will be able to learn to decipher the truth. The persecution today involves very advanced chemistry and technology but historical precedents can be found in accounts like Foxe's book of martyrs (I do not confirm the veracity of all the accounts, some/many or at least details in the accounts may be incorrect or spurious while others are more accurate but they do conjure a picture of Christian persecution in Europe that serves to reconstruct a more realistic understanding), episodes like the Massacre of St Bartholomew of French Huguenots their final expulsion and/or compulsory conversion back to Catholicism, antisemitism in Europe in the form of ghettoes and recurrent holocausts and expulsions, crusades against Waldenses and Cathars, the tactics of the Vatican--and in modern times its Jesuits--against religious minorities, is the closest we can come to the persecution of saints--the dark history that has never been told, but these martyrdoms, as predicted in the Bible, will go on until the end of the world. The True Church has never had a temple, it has been under relentless persecution for 20 centuries, one of extermination-exploitation-slavery, the most horrible holocaust of the most blameless and greatest human beings thoroughly covered up for 15 centuries everywhere in every form. 'Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, and only a few find it.' The wide road is the mainstream, the narrow path is the ever repudiated by the world, feared by its rulers, envied by the devil, holy truth of Christ.) If you have any more questions I will have the privilege of answering them to the best of my ability.

​@@AnnabelleJARankin (Do not know if this comment ever posted in reality, it appeared it did when I replied as soon as your reply to my original comment posted, now I find my reply to your reply is not in the conversation--though it is in my comment history---so I will try to repost it. Whoever suppresses the truth of God is accursed--no human or angel has that right!) My youtube comments have been hacked and removed from over a hundred channels, some cannot be posted others appear to post, over a thousand pages of youtube comments each containing important urgent substantial information were mysteriously unanswered for years except for a few weird and meaningless instances, the underground jesuit inquisition, censorship and persecution of true Christianity simply decides what comments will post and for how long---and it does not stop there, I have been tortured for 20 years on account of my faith and I am robotized and drugged with counterfeited groceries bought at regular markets, on 3 different continents--no civil rights or whatsoever anywhere on the planet, all I think say or do is a jesuit retransmission-distortion of my original ideas and actions, mind and body. The entire matter regarding the comments results in such unreliability that I generally gave up and it surprises me now to find a reply. I wish I was allowed to make a channel so I would not have to answer the same things time and again on an individual basis---I am under heavy tortures and incredible sabotages. Without further ado, the original intention of the argument I proposed was to narrow down the debate to those two verses, one could discuss the entire Bible for that matter, but it would be a protracted debate perhaps better reserved for another setting. The two verses I proposed above prove Jesus is not God but the Son of God. Any disagreements? If you cannot answer those verses then I will proceed to answer the verses you proposed instead. Most Biblical Hebrew names involve the word God or the name of God (YHWH) --which is not Jesus, Jesus being YahShua--meaning 'YHWH Saves', many other Jews had the Hellenized Hebrew name of Jesus in the form of Joshua, Elijah's name for example means 'YHWH is my God' Eli-Yah or king Jehoshafat 'YHWH Judges'---that does not mean that Jehoshafat is the Almighty Judge, the Creator and Most High God: that is just his name; many people have Biblical names today and some have the name Immanuel, that does not make them God either, and the name Immanuel is not a literal prophecy, Jesus' name never was Immanuel. No respectable scholar would use the Immanuel case as an argument in favor of a trinitarian doctrine. Secondly, the Pharisees thought Jesus at the most would be a human prophet, or the Messiah himself, but their understanding was the Messiah would be a human being like king David, and in all these cases they could not abrogate themselves the right to forgive sins who were born in sin. In the case of Jesus is different, he had a previous divine nature among the angels and though he seemed like an ordinary Jew, yet he was born without sin by a miracle of the Holy Spirit and received this authority from God because he would give his life to atone for the sins of the world. God, and the only Mediator between man and God, both can forgive human sin. Finally, the text you cite corroborates what I explain, that Jesus is not God, but His Son, His reflection, His closest image, the first creature (Firstborn son, the sons of God are His creatures, to which He is a Father), the only creature that God made directly, and through him God created all other things in the universe. God has no beginning, He cannot be described as firstborn, Jesus had a beginning and also died and changed---he degraded himself taking a human form and God exalted him to an even higher state after resurrecting him, whereas God has no beginning and no end, cannot die and cannot change. (The trinity is absurd, seriously contradicts very important tenets of Christianity from OT and NT alike, and many across the ages have noted the irreconcilable inconsistencies, it stuck just like so many other nonsense of 'holy grail' church of 'holy sepulcher' within the perimeter of ancient Jerusalem when Romans and especially Jews crucified convicts outside the city--especially in the case of Jerusalem and awaiting a Sabbath-Passover as also in the letter to the Hebrews Paul says Jesus was crucified outside the city, scientifically demonstrable nonsense that has endured from the Middle Ages to this day for the sake of reputation and financial interest, major contributors to ecclesiastical corruption in all religious institutions. All world religions are jesuit infiltrated cults and businesses with a fold that is programmed to be exploited for the benefit of an elite of secret societies a system of hierarchies in pyramidal form that culminates in Rome, following the Vatican's catholic template of usurping the obedience due to Christ and selling the truth of His gospel and His grace to gain worldly power, hence the Vatican who engenders these institutions is called 'mother of harlots'. God commands His people to disaffiliate from those organizations of Babylon the Great, in the form of religious institutions, clubs, societies, mafias; those temples accursed, they have contradicted the truth of God, sold it, suppressed it, persecuted the true Christians, raped women and children, performed satanic rituals, all who would join them become partakers with them of their evil deeds and contribute to them and support the otherwise impracticable enterprises of their leadership, it is quite more than been personally scammed it has serious repercussions for all, those dens of satan wear sheepskins, they have the reputation of fraternity and haven but they are only fraternal and havens to thieves rapists homosexuals sorcerers and evildoers and for the rest, they are traps to scam them abuse them and lead them to perdition---those false religions are the punishment of God to those who have not the true faith. Read the Bible daily and pray continually and be careful to keep all of God's commandments, then God will favor you and enlighten your understanding; compliment the Bible with readings of history--do not take for granted all that textbooks say, if you intently seek the truth, you will be able to learn to decipher the truth. The persecution today involves very advanced chemistry and technology but historical precedents can be found in accounts like Foxe's book of martyrs (I do not confirm the veracity of all the accounts, some/many or at least details in the accounts may be incorrect or spurious while others are more accurate but they do conjure a picture of Christian persecution in Europe that serves to reconstruct a more realistic understanding), episodes like the Massacre of St Bartholomew of French Huguenots their final expulsion and/or compulsory conversion back to Catholicism, antisemitism in Europe in the form of ghettoes and recurrent holocausts and expulsions, crusades against Waldenses and Cathars, the tactics of the Vatican--and in modern times its Jesuits--against religious minorities, is the closest we can come to the persecution of saints--the dark history that has never been told, but these martyrdoms, as predicted in the Bible, will go on until the end of the world. The True Church has never had a temple, it has been under relentless persecution for 20 centuries, one of extermination-exploitation-slavery, the most horrible holocaust of the most blameless and greatest human beings thoroughly covered up for 15 centuries everywhere in every form. 'Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, and only a few find it.' The wide road is the mainstream, the narrow path is the ever repudiated by the world, feared by its rulers, envied by the devil, holy truth of Christ.) If you have any more questions I will have the privilege of answering them to the best of my ability.

Christ took on human flesh including its ignorance.

@@jacob-de4zi God 's unchanging nature is absolute, perfect, strict, meaning He does not change at all, as He is not a creature. If God is one, then He cannot be divided, if you say He is composed of 3 persons and the person acting as Father knows that Day and the person acting as Son does not, God would have been partly ignorant, not knowing all things, which contradicts the Oneness of God and the perfect, absolute integrity of His omniscience. In other words, how can one person at once know all things and not know all things? Besides you say that the Holy spirit is also God and those 3 persons are coequal and we know the Holy Spirit did not become incarnate. Jesus said no one knows that hour except the Father who alone is God, excluding the Holy Spirit from omniscience as well.

@@MarioHernandez-wd6mp the Bible says Jesus is God. so are you a Christian or not?

We are not ALL employees of the Church though, Members maybe. Where would the money come from if not the members? Trees? I ain't ever seen a money tree sorry. Even Weed is no money plant, I costs far more in the long run with addictions and exhaustive life styles.

The Law hits hard when we ourself are in the wrong. perhaps you need to rethink priorities. It would be great if wee could just all go naked and sing kum-bi-ah all day too. Jesus taught about accountability, Part of that is supporting the Church too. It is a stewardship oriented service too. Over all the Church is operating below budget, simply because the funds are not there for the needs.

Sorry to hear you came on a Stewardship week, there are years of services available for you that prove we are not ALL about money here at St. Paul Ottawa.

Although you can love Pizza, Pizza can not love you. Jesus gave his body that we may be with him. There is no greater love. Now Pizza has more parts, Cheese, Pepperoni, Sauce, Crust, at very least. There are many part of the body too, but pizza too can classified as solid and liquid right? that is basically what Holy Communion is about; we et and drink Jesus. He is our ALL and ALL

Jesus heals us an not medical doctors... at this church. Sure physicalailmints need medical attention... this is a spiritual Hospital though. Reject the Holy Spirit and you are like Judas Iscariot: better off never having been born. You are forgiven,I struggle with this complex too. All I can do is forgive though as Jesus did each of us. We love ( forgive) because he first loved (forgave) us!

@@StPaulOttawa “’We would have healed Babylon, but she cannot be healed; let us leave her and each go to our own land, for her judgment reaches to the skies, it rises as high as the heavens This is what I was quoting and inserting some context for perspective about how the whore/babylon is the apostate church. God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Come out her, and stop re-offering Christ and convincing yourself that the lutherans are different than their mother Rome. Mass is turning Christ into a repeated offering, and back into a levitical sacrifice.

I was reminded of this moment in John 4 19. “Sir,” the woman said, “I see that You are a prophet. 20. Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews say that the place where one must worship is in Jerusalem.” 21.“Believe Me, woman,” Jesus replied, “a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23. But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24. God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”

I am not one of the Pastors but we in Jesus learn that we are often the problem ourself actually, we are so self focused we are un willing to be flexible and forgiving in relationships so they break apart. We are all not perfect and if you spend too much time focusing on the perfect partner you will do with out. We all are sinful and need some allowance and maybe you do too. You may expect others to live up to standards with out first stating your expectation too though which is the idea of dating. We don't live in a Christian world so most people do not live Christian lives. You may trust Jesus and expect other to forgive like you but they do not trust so they throw the book at you. I am no councilor though we have marriage classes, counseling,... for members... here at St. Paul. You should be careful what you share publicly about others too though. Gossip is speaking words behind others back which goes against the 8th commandment which we do still use as a guide in Christianity.

The Song is called “Grant Peace We Pray in Mercy Lord” by Koiné.