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Thank you for the video which was really instructional: the graphics model and the way the 4 course radio system was shown in the cockpit helped make the concept clear to understand.

Nice video. Silly costume though.

Really cool!

Outstanding! Great video! Covering four-course radios in an aviation history course and this video helped to put it all together. Thank you!

Capt Franz (did i spell it right? My 88 year old ears don't always pick up the nuances of the audio on vids.) I flew Adcock (4 course radio range) in USAF pilot training in the mid 1950s. Also flew flight simulator in virtual airline (DC3 Airways). Your video is well done, quite informative and took me back. I'm doing some nostalgic research looking for an actual Adcock range still in service that might be accessible in a flight simulator. I also wrote an extensive article for Computer Pilot magazine years ago including a total range orientation problem-starting from an unknown point to find yourself on the 4-course grid. Any interest?

Sorry to say, Capt. Dildo croaked a few months back. My he Rest In Peace.

They need the A and N tones for people just to get through their day to day lives.. most people are waaaaaaayyyy off course..

Excellent - Thank you!

not enough likes for this video, or comments. I've long been fascinated by the brilliantly simplistic ways we came up with doing things like this.

My grandfather was a radio man in world war II D-Day. my dad was a amateur radio operator and the whole neighborhood knew when it was a radio contest weekend. Great video.

I wonder why it wouldn't be easier to use the ADF needle? If they had that back then.

After watching this video, you'll understand the references in old movies to being "on the beam."

I learned about the 4 coarse radio beacons when I first started getting interested in aviation in the late 50's. I never got the chance to fly one, by the time I started flying, ADF,' were in use and the new VOR's were taking over navigation duties. It didn't matter much to me. I learned in a 1946 Aeronca 7AC Champ and it didn't have an electrical system or radios anyway...LOL. My first flight with a VOR and I was spoiled and just like today's GPS....how did we ever get along without them....LOL

Thanks for the memories. I started flying in 1959 and used the four course range legs. Sure was glad to see the omnis becoming common. Gene White

Great video and information!

Came here from 630 beacon.

What a clown, dressing up in a costume and pretending to be a pilot.

I would never trust a pilot who trashes the 630 meter amateur radio band for no purpose other than to be annoying. It demonstrates very poor judgement, something one tries to avoid when selecting an instructor or pilot.

I see you are being a prick again on 630 meters. What's the point (other than to piss off people)?

I’m really glad I found this. Very interesting and well done presentation! I have a book that covers a little bit about flying the beam and the old-school ways of IMC flying. Like another comment on here I would like to see demonstrated how they actually shot an approach-and more practical application of going from point a to point B. That’s what I can’t seem to figure out is how they actually flew across the country. I think it’s fascinating that someone resurrected a system like this. Thanks a lot!

This is a great presentation, and you seem like a nice, knowledgeable sort of person. So, I have to ask, why are you such a prick on 630 meters? That FSK "beacon" running 24/7 is annoying as hell.

Copied cw on 474.7kc brought me here. ~ N8UX

7:44 The audio in this simulation is not right - it transitions abruptly from A (dit dah) to continuous tone, missing the most interesting and subtle analog transition between "dit dah" and "ooooooooh" (continuous tone) that goes dit dah dit dah nin nah nin nah oooooh nah nin nah nin dah dit dah dit ... I was disappointed not to hear that in the audio. Otherwise great presentation!

Thank you so much. Excellent video. I am working on a video dealing with the Radio Range and beacon system in my area. This is a great help. This video is the area of my research: th-cam.com/video/GZCYebyDsOk/w-d-xo.html

Great video! Thanks for making it

My father who retired as an airline pilot years ago told me about this when he was younger. Thats how he used to navigate when he was first starting out in the airlines he said.. Told me about the A's and N's (the dits and the daws) I always wanted to hear what it sounded like. I thought it would not be possible as the system was decommissioned decades ago. Excellent job. Thank you!

Hey this was great! Thanks!

Where in the heck is there still a working FCRR for this demonstration? Or re they just simulating it with the A and N morse code?

wow that's amazing!

Thanks for this video. I'm restoring to operation the instructor electronics chassis for a 1943 Link Trainer system, and the chassis provides an instructor capability of simulating an A-N range with five different station IDs (sent in Morse).

That's a very well done video Dave. Thanks for all the hard work in making it! Are you using some form or bits of a Four Course transmitter on that 30m beacon? That would explain the non-stop N with the weaker yet continuous tone in the background.

Cool video, well done. I think I'll keep my GPS tho!

Thank you for an excellent video, Dave. And thank you for checking into the RagChewers Net on 7.272 Mhz this morning from your supercharged C-150 while in the clouds at 6K feet and 150 KIAS. I remember this navigation system, having read about it many years ago. I flew from 1974 until 2008 as a private pilot. Ray-N4GYN Amateur Radio

The range station in this video does sound a bit fast. The station would send 12 repetitions of the A-N, then would identify over the N antenna, then the A antenna, then resume the A-N repetitions. I made hundreds of instrument approaches using the OE (239 kc) range here in Nome, Alaska. Not appreciated today is that the LFR was more accurate and less prone to component failures than a VOR. One time I made a VOR approach here, and something went poof in my VOR indicator, and I come out of the clouds just at the base of local Anvil Mountain. I was lucky that day, and the LFR was it for me after that.

I could not find any realistic A-N range sounds... I believe the rate was 24 A or N per minute. Also, when you were "on the beam" you could still hear the clicks of the A-N commutators, tick-tick-tick.......tick...tick-tick-tick.......tick, etc.

Small note, the A and N are way too fast! This does not sound like a real AN range. The other thing is that once per minute, the station ident would be sent out on the N pattern, followed by the A pattern (or vice versa, I can't remember). Apart from that, this is a really great demo of how it works!!

Thank you! I have heard the beacon on 10.126 MHz and now I understand what it's about. Great video.

A nuclear detonation is space just to get satellites is overkill. It is clear that sending out debris can destructively interfere with satellites, like the effect of the Chinese anti-satellite testing in '07. So I mean to say: you don't need a nuclear device to ruin satellites, but I have yet to hear about any being systematically taken out anyway. It kind of ruins the whole satellite concept for a long time if you do that, so any country interested in keeping their satellites better not.

WOW!! Thank you for pointing this out to me. I had no clue of the Starfish Prime project, and if the Wikipedia info is correct, it totally confirms my fears. According to their info, the radiation belt remained for five years ruining a handful of satellites! My thoughts are that ADF and VOR would be easier to repair than the satellite network. What is your take on this Artemis Vandelay? Do you think they will ever use such nukes in action against satellites?

If your concern is an electromagnetic pulse produced by a nuclear device, that could be applied to disable VOR and ADF stations not properly equipped with protection for such. I'm unaware of whether those stations are protected, but I doubt it, as there hasn't been much emphasis on that since the cold war. Interestingly, one could get real bang for their buck if they detonated high enough to also make an artificial radiation belt that ruins satellites, like with Starfish Prime. Good luck!

Great demo, that was very interesting to see and take a trip back in time.

This is very cool! Thanks for your efforts in creating this demonstration and putting up an excellent video!

@kaguyabutterfly1 I agree that there is no need for four course anymore during our GPS era, but as a private pilot hearing them plan to get rid of VOR, I end up wondering what happens if and when any future enemy could use electromagnetic bursts from nukes to knock out our GPS sattelites. And if all our VORs and ADF stations are gone, what then? I know I sound paranoid, but does anyone else worry the GPS system being disabled in some way might send our asses back to the stone age?

@kaguyabutterfly1 Nobody is suggesting that. This is purely a historical presentation.

Part two... So, and in conclusion, I'd like to stress that commercial aviation 'Walked the Walk' by using L/MF ADF navigation long before the A&N ranges became popular. Hope I helped clear up this little bit of aviation history. Best to you all.

Good video, but fails to stress that '30's and '40's (and later) long-range pilots, especially to S. America, Asia, etc used the ADF. The L/MF radio ranges were used extensively, and could be picked up at a grateer distance (much greater) than the VHF A&N ranges, and the latter-day Omni-VOR's. I've navigated across the Caribbean, with good ADF tracking (not homing) skills, staying 'on course' long before the VOR's in Trinidad, or Venezuela were sensed by my instruments. Please see part two..

Excellent explanation of the four course radio range.

David Frantz is the licensed radio amateur in TN who built this. There's a very nice article about this in "AOPA Pilot" June 2010 p. 30 by Barry Schiff. 73

Could we get another video of the transmitter itself and how this navigation beacon is put together? Amateurs radio operators would like to see 'whats inside the box".