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There are some Nanoxia fans of different sizes for sale on ebay...I saw a 140mm but it'll cost you over $35 dollars!

Good question. No, it wasn't a rattling noise. It was a rubbing noise. I hear a variation of rubbing with many fans, especially if they use sleeve, rifle or a really cheap HDB/FDB. DBBs have a different noise that is, to my ears, more electronic as the balls rub together, so it's really the sound of metal on metal.

Yes, the focusing grill, which may have a slightly negative impact on static pressure, does what they claim. Thank you for this info! You're not quite right about the reviews. I've reviewed several SS APs on my channel. ;) I have not done testing of that specifically, although it's crossed my mind. There really are not a lot of people who appreciate side-mounted fans. I have done AIO placement testing and side mounting with the fans exhausting tends to be the best. If I had to guess, one of two things will happen: the stronger fans will have an even better effect, with or without turbulence/dead spots that might negatively impact other parts of the PC. If you try, let me know what you learn, please! Thanks again for sharing!

Yeah, sorry about that. My PC was being grumpy.

TR has about a billion fans, so which ones do you mean? B12s? C12s? Something else? I have several of their fans waiting to be looked at. :) Thanks for sharing!

@@ThePCExpertAmateur Actually I’m using TL-C12C-S and TL-C12W-S.

Those are fine, but the C12 Pro and the B12 Extreme are better. :)

For 13 bucks three ARGB PMW fans it’s a bargain. That’s all I need for my costumers and even myself. They’re very quiet and great quality. 99% of people wouldn’t mind having those. If you’re someone that want something else and you don’t care about the price that’s fine. I don’t know how much difference it’s between these and models you’re mentioning. Price wise and performance wise. I doubt it will be any noticeable difference.

For 13 bucks three ARGB PMW fans it’s a bargain. That’s all I need for my costumers and even myself. They’re very quiet and great quality. 99% of people wouldn’t mind having those. If you’re someone that want something else and you don’t care about the price that’s fine. I don’t know how much difference it’s between these and models you’re mentioning. Price wise and performance wise. I doubt it will be any noticeable difference.

If you think the quality of the non-maintainable one is good enough, or you want to mod it when it needs to be flush n filled, then get the TR. At this point, I have no complaints with it although I know some people will be annoyed by the harmonic resonances I sometimes hear. A 280 would be even better than a 240 and is often the best bang for the buck, so if you want, go for the 2-fan version. I think, 240 or 360, you're going to be satisfied.

Thanks!

Some definitely have. This is actually an old fan, not a new one. Some brands are trying to rack in a lot of money by adding LEDs, like Zeaginal/Yeston, SAMA, Jungle Leopard, Jonsbo and several others, but the performance is not good enough for the price, and some are noisy, too.

:) respect to noctua for sticking to their colours and black, no white no leds nothing that isn’t performance. Have you heard of the cheater duct from the fan showdown? Its great and accentuates any fan you put the splitter and flow guide on

@kingcrackedhen3572 I find the showdown interesting! Cheater definitely helped but wasn't there something more recent that was even better?

Yeah, it's really annoying when the listing doesn't show OR tell WHICH 4-pin connector it has. YW!

Thank you! My son and I feel the same way! Especially now that my landlord has decided not to renew my lease because I'm paying hundreds less than the other tenants, so he wants to get rid of me, renovate, and up the rent.

@@ThePCExpertAmateurSir, just don't give up, be good and look forward, there's always some other solutions!

@gezimlimoni2319 Thank you. Unfortunately, my landlord is giving me until 7/31 to get out because he wants to renovate and increase the rent hundreds of dollars.

Thanks for sharing!

Yeah. It turns out that the noise is probably normal, too, according to bgears. So, on their recommendation, I ordered another one to compare because, although I made two sound recordings, they couldn't hear the noise that I was hearing (not the normal DBB fan noises). They said I could just return whichever.

Amazon doesn't like to give anything in print. I can't even get my medical records of my injuries and treatments from them. In fact, they will either tell you that you cannot have them, or that you have to go through a third party that shouldn't even be allowed (as with my medical records). For the record, I have seen the policy stated on signs posted at KCVG, and I've seen it via computer screen at HR. It is real - not something I came up with to make false complaints about Amazon. If you didn't mean to imply that, please say so. I didn't say "full disability" I said "permanent disability", which is a different process internal to Amazon. I am not sure why you are saying I have to contact JFS - they are not responsible for worker's comp AFAIK. Amazon has hired Sedgwick, an incredibly greedy company, to handle their WC (pun intended). The only thing they could do would be to provide me with food stamps, Medicaid and possibly financial assistance. If you meant something else, please explain. A transfer to another facility, if it is possible given my restrictions, is unlikely to be possible unless there is a role I can fulfill that fits my various restrictions. Even if they transfer me, I will suffer an immediate decrease in pay in many cases because KCVG offers higher pay rates than most other locations. Again, it's not likely that they can place me somewhere else, nor is it likely that they would even make the attempt. Finally, although it is hard for me to walk a lot, there is work there that I can do without walking. They are just not willing to accommodate me. They do this to "useless" people, even if they were once very productive like me, and especially vocal people like me. They certainly aren't going to pay me to work somewhere else, even doing charity work, and definitely not at full pay. Heck, if I can get declared disabled by my doctor and Amazon miraculously accepts that, which they've already demonstrated that they don't want to do repeatedly, and they have to send me home (like now, but they haven't accepted anything) I will only earn 60% of my current pay. That's about $13/hr. You are correct about how they deal with restrictions. I have already submitted documentation for both my shoulder, and my feet have been declared a big enough problem that they sent me home because, again, they refused to accommodate me as per Amazon policy and, as with last month, LIED and said they couldn't by trying to claim that I was requesting unsafe shoes, which I didn't ask for. I agree with the rest of your advice, and I'm trying to limit my interactions to email even though I would feel much more comfortable on the phone. I know their tricks and how they will lie and cheat me. They are scum.

@@ThePCExpertAmateur I will try to explain myself a bit more. In regards to WC company's pay for or into WC insurance (per say). That is to the state they are in and that covers any Workman's Comp claims that they have currently or anytime someone has one. That is why I mentioned JFS. I understand that they have a third party company that deals with WC for Amazon but it still all goes through "Burero of workman's comp" and they are often part of JFS. Lastly that third party company I have no doubt are horrible to deal with!! They are in the business of working for companys to pay out the least amount of money as possible to anyone that has issues related to work place issues such as yours. So thats how they make their money !!! So yes they are greedy!! No I was not saying that you made the work shoes thing up. I was only saying that if it is indeed an actual policy then it would be in the employee handbook. Be that in a physical printed book or a digital one. If you have seen that on the computer then you should be able to print that page off of the computer so you have it and can show that to anyone who may not be aware of there being such a policy. While I said I understand that you have other issues in regards to what you can and can't do for work. Again I am sure you do have the other physical issues. But Amazon is only going to try to consider giving you work place accommodations to documented restrictions that you put on your application when you applied or anything that happens while currently being employed and working for Amazon that causes you to have restrictions. Such as the shoulder issue. That is the only restriction they are going to honor in regards to finding other work or positions for you to do while on the restrictions. They believe legally thats it.. they dont have to take into consideration anything thing else that was pre existing. That is all I was trying to explain about that. The other thing is the medical records and stuff. You might not be able to get that from Amazon or they might give you the run around... But legally you have the right to get all your medical records. You just might have to do that foot work on your own and contacting all the Dr's officers you have been to and seen by. But they Have to supply you with any and all of your medical records!! I know it probably is very difficult if not impossible to get stuff in writing. But you Have to be persistent in that and request for it. Or at least get a lawyer to write up a letter stating to Amazon that you will Only have contact with them via email, mail, or through the lawyer! No other way... Because anything that is said between you and the other person on the phone is nothing in regards to the law!! Because its only hearsay... Your word against theirs. Should it come to something like that. Also make sure you are documenting every time you talk to someone on the phone so that you have the correct date, time, who you talked to and who they work for etc. Because they like nothing more than for you to get the dates mixed up or to not be able to give the name of the person you talked to etc. In regards to what Amazon does or doesn't do for certain types of people and not others etc. You have to only be focused on your actual situation and thats all. Not what you think or know they did or didn't do for someone else. Because the only thing that matters to them and to a court is your situation only. Nothing else will be taken into consideration. As for the disability being full or permanent im not sure its most likely just a word thing or lack or knowing anything else it might actually be called. But I think what that sounds like is long term disability and or Short term which is something you pay for as part of your insurance. And I have only ever known them to be an elective you have to choose to have. And you can choose to have just 1 or the other or both or neither of them!... I hope you do have both , but they are a pain to collect on as well because as mentioned with the other company the insurance company wants to pay out the least amount of money as possible. So you offten have to deal with some whos job and performance is based on how little they have paid out to people like yourself. So they are very offten very uncaring and harsh/direct types of people to have to deal with!! Hope that helps on some of the stuff... The WC stuff I mentioned as far as working for a completely different company while on WC. That does happen because if they can or are able to get some work out of a person doing something totally different is preferred to not getting any work out of someone who is on WC. But again that is paid by the state and is a percentage of what you make working at Amazon. In which Amazon pays into WC insurance with the state.

Thank you for your clarifications. I did understand what you wrote in the first message, and I appreciate your kind intent to help me very much. I will be pursuing this until either they put a bullet in my brain or otherwise assassinate me, or I win.

I cannot speak to what the update does exactly. At minimum, it should negate the LogoFAIL vulnerability. Whether it actively seeks out and destroys any malware hidden on your storage device is something I don't know. If I have to guess, I'll say no, but you should really ask Asus.

@@ThePCExpertAmateur i have been reading online and some say it doesnt, only flashing official firmware. Some People say this kind of viruses are very rare so chances of having it should be low. at least if you dont notice anything not working good. But you keep reading and there is a lot of People saying its bios is now running some malware. You cant feel safe anymore

@@ThePCExpertAmateur last asus update says its a security update, so it should also workon removing previous infections. I will try to ask Asus and will post here to let you know

​@agussx40 A BIOS update is just that and, at least in theory, it will erase any malware in BIOS. LogoFAIL is not malware - it's a vulnerability that allows the adding of malware into storage. If there is an official news source suggesting new exploit possibilities for this vulnerability, please send me the link and I'll take a look. Yes, it is not the easiest to exploit. The truth is that you are never safe online - computer, tablet, or smart phone. There are ways to hack into your devices without interaction from you.

But please do let us know what Asus claims.

How did you connect the ARGB cables?

I'm certain that this fan is from a decade ago, so welcome to the past! ;)

@@ThePCExpertAmateur Ohhhh! That explains a lot yikes haha

@@cannotkazi 😝

Fans like this I bought in-store at Micro Center. I have a large number for which there is no valid link because the company went out of business or the product was taken down from the site it was on (I'm not sure why). What do you hope to learn by using the link?

@@ThePCExpertAmateur understood,,,to learn nothing special,,,lucky you to have Micro Center nearby,,,I would buy on the heartbeat that combo deal with 7800x3d! Thnx for the reply!

@@gezimlimoni2319 You're welcome! I will try to remember to add links but, sadly, some of the fans I've got are no longer available at all, while others are, but only through 3rd party vendors.

You're welcome!

Have you contaced Asus about this?

@@ThePCExpertAmateur I've had a look around but couldn't find out how to contact them with this query such as an e-mail address.

@@jay3onw Call or chat with them on their webpage, or you can email servicecenter_am@asus.com. Let me know what happens, please.

@@ThePCExpertAmateur Hey! ASUS got back to me with a link to a patch for my Prime z590-p mainboard. The link contained an 8.89mb zip folder with 2 files inside; BIOSRenamer(exe) and a .cap file which is dated 23/5/2024.

@@jay3onw Great! I wonder if they ignored all the other motherboards, though. Run BIOSRenamer and select the .cap file. Take that file, put it on a USB drive, reboot and get into BIOS, then go to the BIOS update area and install the update.

I'm glad it helped you!

Thanks - welcome to the fam! :)

That's a great point! Yes, you could ruin a header pulling that much amperage since most headers are designed for 1A. If you run it on high (.75A) and chained, you would definitely want to connect it to a PSU-powered hub or controller. Even at medium (.45A), you'd have to do that if you want them to be synced. However, if you don't need to chain them, 3 headers is fine.

Sata pwr can provide 4.5A. Most modern MB's have 2A headers

@@Mack_Dingo Most mobos I'm aware of have 1A headers and maybe a 2A header. My H670 doesn't have any 2A headers. Then again it's Asus, and they suck.

Apparently, you haven't realized that every one of these reviews is marked "Pt 1". That's not by coincidence. Additionally, if you look at the labels, you'll see it's an "initial review." Now, since that may not clarify things, and I'll have to add this to the playlist's description to avoid further confusion (i.e. it's really my fault for not being clear). These indicators show that, aside from letting you see the product and, where applicable, hear it, it is based on published specifications. At no point in any Pt 1 videos do I state that I have tested and/or used it unless I ACTUALLY have. For example, if you look at my FINAL Review" of the EZDIY-FAB Adjustable Vertical Graphics Card Mount, you'll see that I stated my conclusions about it - good and bad - and made a recommendation that it's really overpriced. This is based on use and learning more about the weaknesses of the product. Or, you could look at my FINAL review of the Thermalright Frozen Notte 360 AIO, in which I show actual test data to support my statements about the product. For the most part, a lot of the fans I've shown SEEM to have static pressure that matches what's published, although the recently reviewed trio of Phanteks did not live up to that. Some of them overstate the dBA, others understate it, and many seem to be pretty accurate. In the future, I will go through every fan with a very long list of tests that I'll perform, including airflow, static pressure, noise, bearings and more. Those reviews will include comparisons with other fans, ranking them based on my test results. I hope that clears things up for you. I would greatly appreciate it if the subtle insults were to be avoided in the future as this is in violation of community rules on my channels. In the future, it would work better if you ask questions instead of jumping to conclusions. I'm sorry if you don't like the format of my multi-stage review system - this was what the majority of viewers who completed the ongoing poll wanted me to do. You're welcome to cast your vote. With close to 400 fans to get through, plus air and water coolers, it's an enormous undertaking on a limited timeframe and limited money, too. And space. I'm running out of space. Send some if you've got extra. XD

Well, it's much like here in the US with some doctors who pander to patients who think that if they haven't been given a prescription then they've not been treated properly, some who are incompetent, some who try to market crap like teeth whiteners and specific drugs, and so on. They still give diagnoses. Honestly, the quality of healthcare has dropped in the USA because the whole system is driven almost entirely by greed these days, while the quality of healthcare in Indonesia has risen some. Still, culture and religion sometimes mess up healthcare there, especially when you're hospitalized. Sterile regulations go out the windows, nurses assigned to nightshift sleep through the night, or part of it, leaving patients to fend for themselves if someone isn't with them (made me fall ill, having to stay up late to protect my wife from their negligence and then get up very early to find her food).

No problem! 👍I hope it helped!

Well, it is for now! I expect more trouble in the future! Thanks for your support!

@@ThePCExpertAmateur It took me over a decade to figure out a business idea that's outside of the system. Keep working on that, as it's the only real long-term solution.

@@jimmim3000 Yeah, I totally agree with you, but that's a really golden fruit to find (difficult). I wasn't raised or educated with the entrepreneur mindset, so I'm trying to develop it.

@@ThePCExpertAmateur Well, you would know what your talents are better than me, regarding using them for independent income. Investing in crypto early worked for me. It's not like you can go back in time and buy ETH at $0.70 in 2015 or BTC at $0.05 in 2010, but there are still plenty of opportunities with that, with the bull cycle about to really get rolling.

Yeah, I've seen how well crypto has done for a lot of investors - until there's a rug pull, a hacker breach, or a long-term scam like SBF pulled. The odds of investing in a company that isn't going to screw you over, or get robbed, just aren't good enough. I'm glad you made out well - I wish I could've done so, too. Let's not even mention NFTs, which is such a scam that it makes other scams look semi-legit.

I volunteer at one. The good news is that my employer let me come back to work today. The bad news is that my lawyer must've been threatened or bribed and won't handle my case.

I was sleepy, so I forgot.

Idk how I got here either. This dude needs to clean his house. Like rn.

Good question. Mine does not, but it's within tolerance. It started out around 1770 and, over the next 10 minutes, it got as high as 1970 RPM but retreated to about 1930 at the 9 minute mark. That is within the stated +/-10% variance. This is likely because of the cheap hydraulic bearing and/or being under-lubricated. The decrease at the 9th minute supports both as being possible, although I think it's more likely crappy bearings because of how long it took to spin up.

At some time later, the fan did exceed 2000.

@@ThePCExpertAmateur well, that confirms my suspicions. thanks

@@hafiszaky1917 Happy to help!

Thank you, I hope so. My lawyer blew me off and then dropped me like a hot rock. :(

LOL

Thank you, I appreciate that. I'll figure a way through to the other end.

I'm so sorry, Lily, I will check to see if your comment got held for review by YT.

Nope. I don't know what happened. Maybe you can do it in a series of short messages instead?

If I had to guess, I'd say someone else was offended and reported your messages. I certainly didn't.

Great question! That depends on the amperage of the fan, the max amperage of the fan headers on your mobo, and what you want to accomplish. Many mobos offer multiple headers to connect fans to, so you can certainly use them. If you want to, you can connect everything by a hub/repeater. These are usually powered by a cable to your power supply. If you want better control, you can look for fan controllers that give you individualized control, and takes power directly from the power supply, too. Or, you can use splitters and then each group gets connected to a different mobo fan header so that you can manage airflow in different parts of your case...as long as you don't exceed the max amperage.

from what I know the manufacturer has not specified this, in my opinion, it is a problem for retailers, only those who have done the tests like you are aware of it

@@luxrum7227 Sorry, what is it that you view as being a problem?

Thanks, Kris. I'm tired of the pointless conversations, so maybe I can refer them to you? ;)

@@ThePCExpertAmateur do it! :P a real banger is: jesus was prob a dude that was drunk very often and said he was the son of god while drunk.

I'm going more for the fraud angle, since some of his disciples were "reformed criminal".

You bet! It is easier, for the most part, unless you're trying to do it in a cramped space, like I showed in my previous video about the Q-Latch.

Brice, that is an excellent request and, honestly, I just keep forgetting! Thanks for the reminder, and don't let me slip, please! BTW, I'm working on a short form of this video with visuals to make it easier for people to understand.

Thanks for the info!

You haven't seen me angry. It looks like I'm spitting lava. XD

That is bizarre. Why don't you just change the plugs and rewire it?

@@ThePCExpertAmateur I’m more of an Amateur Expert than an Expert Amateur so I don’t really know how to do that

@@justinh4299 LOL , "Amateur Expert" would mean you're more expert than me, then. ;) There are lots of tutorials about it - videos and articles. It's not difficult, although you may need a soldering tool. I know you can buy the sockets and plugs at Performance PC's (.com).

Yeah, your front and mine look the same, your top looks the same as my side. My top mesh has triangular holes.

Thanks, you too!

Thanks for explaining.

Shhhh...Don't write 'intel' - the CIA will think we're spies. XD LOL!

What's your point here? All my testing demonstrated that ANY top mount is the worst choice unless you want to do special things like taking barriers off and doing push-pull, upgrading the fans, or getting a water cooler with a great pump.

You'd better explain that to my AIO. Keep in mind that the best sandwich test was only 3 degrees hotter than the best configuration, which was a special one, and 2 degrees hotter than the best standard config, so it's not like sandwich was horrible - merely that inner beat it. Perhaps the AIOs are key, though. What's the flow, RPM and lift for the pump on your AIO? Can you test for the CFM and mmAq of the fans?

Do you know how annoying it is to have you constantly picking at every little thing you don't like?

I told you already - I didn't track watts. I left that to your testing.

Thanks for the info - is that for current VRMs, older ones, or all?

@@ThePCExpertAmateur i got info from GN and derbauer in a 5 year old vid, soo i would guess VRMs are even better now

If you find out for current VRMs, that would be very helpful to know if it's still the same or not. I'm guessing the larger VRM heatsinks are an indicator of greater heat rather than greater tolerances.