@@janneliimatainen6186 All factory presets except for three of them: the two heavy-sounding patches, and the split patch with a slow-moving filter sweep on the bottom, and a melodic, ambient sound on the top.
I just tried one of these yesterday and while it is a good choice for low weight and low profile 88 key stage piano, I found that because of the compact size the action isn’t the greatest and particularly the keybed can’t handle pianissimo at all. You can kind of get around this by using the felt pianos if you want a really subdued sound, and maybe by playing around with velocity curves. But I have to say a basic requirement of a stage piano out of the box should be the ability to play the full range from soft to loud. Was considering purchasing to use primarily as a midi controller for live and stage but while it certainly isn’t bad I agree with many of your criticisms.
I’ve watched some videos said the sound of this kb is not so good, what do you think ? I really like this kb cause it has more controllable knobs, sliders for switching tones and adjust effects in real-time than another one in this price range.
@@raytsao In my opinion, Yamaha has some of the best acoustic piano sounds on the market today. I really like the CFX samples they've been using for the last decade. Very expressive and playable. That said, the sound of any instrument is purely subjective. Some people like the Yamaha sounds, some don't. To me, Yamaha makes some of the best sounding instruments in this day and age. They have been for many years.
Hi Justin, Look into the Piezowave II by Richard Wolf Germany. Acoustic compression. Turn the clock back 30 years on your wrists. Find the new linear wand. Shockwave powerhouse. Western med will wreck your wrists. My 2 cents and 20 years experience with the tech. Hope you can find this exact version. This thing is a miracle.
This particular setup would probably take 10-15 minutes to set up. However, my normal live rig, which I'll be doing a video about soon, takes about 25 minutes.
Dear Justin. All your points and impressions are very well demonstrated.. Such fun for me, cause I've got it, and I like it. (so I feel ridiculous, but in a good way) I really hope the Yamaha CK suits you more. You were also right about the hard action, I like it because I'm too dynamic, because I learnt on very hard action piano called Piano d'étude.. Keep pianoing, you are a fantastic player. Thanks, Cheers.
Hi Justin. Thank you very much for your time in putting these CK88 videos together - I found the info about control from and to another keyboard very useful. You mention that you'd like a quicker way to transpose/octave shift a particular layer. It's actually easy: hold down the Part button (A B or C) while pressing the up/down octave shift button - done.
Believe it or not, it's just running through a Behringer XR-18 mixer, which doubles as a multi-channel USB audio interface. Then, it's just two channels into StreamYard.
Thanks for the kind words! Most of what I played in the stream is improvised, made up on the spot. There are some snippets of Bruce Hornsby's "Spider Fingers" thrown in around the 1:51:00 mark, to test the key repetition on the GHS action. There is also a snippet of one of my original pieces, "Spring Forth" (has a slow bossa nova feel), when checking out the bass sound.
You are comparing apples and oranges to compare to the yamaha you need an RD2000 of Fantom...and theare more velocity adjustments such as velocity key follow and release velocity
@@watcher9987 The piano is going to be for my own personal needs, and the Fantom and RD-2000 have way more features than I'll ever use. My hands can't handle the PHA-4 keybed, and the PHA-50 is far worse. I'll never need the Mainstage integration since I'm moving away from using computers/MIDI live. Also, the SuperNATURAL engine just sounds too artificial to my ears, and so does the V-Piano engine. I have a CK88 on the way. As soon as I get it, there'll be a review coming shortly.
Pointing out the flaws and blemishes is extremely important and helpful when it comes to a purchasing decision…PLEASE test the NUMA x and maybe some DEXIBELL pianos in another future splendid video! 👍
I don’t know about the Numa X 88 but the 73 uses the keybed that’s in my Nord Electro 5 HP and while it’s totally useable the keys aren’t graded which is something you need to get used to. On top of that I had mine 3 years and playing it most days and gigging most weekends in that time and the keybed wore out and I’m not a heavy handed player. I just replaced it and it feels new again but cost me £250 so worth keeping in mind.
I have the original RD88 … for me personally, about the piano sounds , they have a short decay… to short in my opinion … it’s like you play forte piano whole the time …
I own a 1st gen RD88 and also noticed the out of tune D6 (occurs around 8:27 in your video) on the Grand Piano patch (I'm not certain which piano voice you were playing in your video). I was interested if the expanded piano voices were any better than the original RD88 piano voices.
@@mr.tmusicteacher4466 Honestly, I can't tell the difference between the three SuperNATURAL pianos. The real difference is in the normal, bright, and mellow variants of each piano.
Like the retro sound, Im also a keys player and always think these days, why do we have hardware synths etc with in built sounds when we just use in th box stuff anyway, and often its better or very close. Is it a mental thing, or a feel good factor to play with the hardware. OR could we drop laptops (except for midi sequencing), and just use hardware , as surely the Montage M etc are pretty damn good at producing sounds?
For me, I'll use whatever I have on hand, as I don't really have a permanent place to have all my hardware set up. I'll use plugins if I'm up in my apartment, and incorporate some hardware when I'm down here in the church area. For me, no matter the situation, it's about making music and getting to that zone as quickly and efficiently as possible.
why us such a mic for this? Just use a Lavier/lapel or a basic SM58... I know they give the impression of 'cool wow it's like a radio studio' but really unessesary in many of these types of video. when the sound of an SM58 and this one for 99% of people is the same.
@@tristanmichael2051 I don't own a lapel mic, and it probably won't be happening soon as I don't record videos on a regular basis -- only when my schedule allows. Not worth the investment right now considering how little I actually use it. Right now, I'm quite happy with the condenser, and the shockmount further isolates the mic. Also, don't get me started on my complete hatred for the SM58. Lol
@@vcr210 Autism spectrum disorder/anxiety. One way for me to ease sensory overload is to dress as light as I'm comfortable with. That's the complicated version. The simple version: You wear what you like, I'll wear what I like.
@@sailordude61 Autism spectrum disorder/anxiety. One way for me to ease sensory overload is to dress as light as I'm comfortable with. That's the complicated version. The simple version: You wear what you like, I'll wear what I like.
Yeah true, churches everywhere seem to have a lot of money for audio gear. Our church randomly bought a keyboard worth $1200, but can't get a new drum set.
This is the ultimate modern synth but unfortunately is out of market in Europe right now. Not even in Thomann. They say they are still in negotiations with Yamaha. This situation sucks. I enjoyed your review and playing. Subscribed. Kind regards.
Thanks for these in-depth instructions on how to configure external controllers with the Montage. I'm planning to purchase Montage and I'm glad it can be used with additional keyboards/controllers. Also, I could swear that near the end of your video when you perform (demo), that I heard Yanni playing ;)
@@ericnataf9206 The Stage 4 is a completely different instrument than the Montage M. Honestly, I’ve never liked Nord. Overhyped and overpriced for what they are. I understand that a lot of people love them, and that’s totally fine. They’re just not for me.
@@neol07707 It does, but to me the main focus for the M8x is sound design and live performance. It just has the pattern sequencer from the Motif, but other than basic real-time recording, there's not much in the way of multi tracking or editing like on the Motifs.
@@shehzadamurthy1983 I did a review and demo video on the M8x, in which I talk about the action. The GEX keybed, while a weighted action, is quite light to the touch, and VERY pleasing to play. I still prefer a fast waterfall or synth action for organs, but the M8x will more than get the job done.
@@pianomikeoct Every speaker is different, so no matter what system you use to listen to the M8x, it will sound a bit different from speaker to speaker, even if there's no external EQ. It's best to listen through a setup that you are really familiar with. That will give you the most accurate sound of the M8x. Also, if there's a shop in your area that has one in stock, bring your own headphones, again, ones that you're really familiar with, then test it out.
@@pianomikeoct I'd say then, to find a shop that has one in stock, and try it with your own headphones. I have to go through an interface in order to get quality sound to TH-cam. Unfortunately, the preamps and A/D converters in any interface will color the sound in some way, even if it's subtle.
As far as I know, the problem is when you record a speaker using a mic, you won't get the sound that the people sitting in audience would hear. So if you want to hear how it sounds through a speaker system, why not just play this video through a system you are familiar with.
Beautiful imaginative music! Great arrangement! Thank you! Can you also please write what you use for the keyboard snare and what does the drum part play? Thank you.
It all depends on the song. Drum sounds come from a combination of UVI Beatbox Anthology 2, and Steven Slate Drums 5. Drums on Going The Distance are SSD5 and an Alesis DM5. All sounds on Fairest Is The Light, including drum sounds, are from Arturia CMI V, a software emulation of the legendary Fairlight CMI, hence the song title.
are these preset sounds or programmed or bought patches?
...sounds really really good by the way... very nice!
@@janneliimatainen6186 All factory presets except for three of them: the two heavy-sounding patches, and the split patch with a slow-moving filter sweep on the bottom, and a melodic, ambient sound on the top.
I just tried one of these yesterday and while it is a good choice for low weight and low profile 88 key stage piano, I found that because of the compact size the action isn’t the greatest and particularly the keybed can’t handle pianissimo at all. You can kind of get around this by using the felt pianos if you want a really subdued sound, and maybe by playing around with velocity curves. But I have to say a basic requirement of a stage piano out of the box should be the ability to play the full range from soft to loud. Was considering purchasing to use primarily as a midi controller for live and stage but while it certainly isn’t bad I agree with many of your criticisms.
Amazing!👍
Nice playing! Thanks for sharing these sounds. Yamaha is amazing.
I’ve watched some videos said the sound of this kb is not so good, what do you think ? I really like this kb cause it has more controllable knobs, sliders for switching tones and adjust effects in real-time than another one in this price range.
@@raytsao In my opinion, Yamaha has some of the best acoustic piano sounds on the market today. I really like the CFX samples they've been using for the last decade. Very expressive and playable. That said, the sound of any instrument is purely subjective. Some people like the Yamaha sounds, some don't. To me, Yamaha makes some of the best sounding instruments in this day and age. They have been for many years.
Thank you.
Hi Justin, Look into the Piezowave II by Richard Wolf Germany. Acoustic compression. Turn the clock back 30 years on your wrists. Find the new linear wand. Shockwave powerhouse. Western med will wreck your wrists. My 2 cents and 20 years experience with the tech. Hope you can find this exact version. This thing is a miracle.
Hey Justin, did not realise I was not subbed so I am now. Interesting to see what you thought on the CK88.
Thanks for the sub! There are a couple more videos on the CK88 on my channel, so be sure to check those out!
Inspiring playing - love the piano part and the use of the organ later on, nicely done 👍🏻
What is your typical set-up time for this configuration before a performance? Great video, by the way!
This particular setup would probably take 10-15 minutes to set up. However, my normal live rig, which I'll be doing a video about soon, takes about 25 minutes.
Awesome!
Dear Justin. All your points and impressions are very well demonstrated.. Such fun for me, cause I've got it, and I like it. (so I feel ridiculous, but in a good way) I really hope the Yamaha CK suits you more. You were also right about the hard action, I like it because I'm too dynamic, because I learnt on very hard action piano called Piano d'étude.. Keep pianoing, you are a fantastic player. Thanks, Cheers.
Hi Justin. Thank you very much for your time in putting these CK88 videos together - I found the info about control from and to another keyboard very useful. You mention that you'd like a quicker way to transpose/octave shift a particular layer. It's actually easy: hold down the Part button (A B or C) while pressing the up/down octave shift button - done.
Great!
Lovely piece of music @1:07:35 ✨
Merci pour cette vidéo! Le son est magnifique! Vous utilisez quels matériels studio pour avoir une telle profondeur de son?
Believe it or not, it's just running through a Behringer XR-18 mixer, which doubles as a multi-channel USB audio interface. Then, it's just two channels into StreamYard.
Thanks a lot
Very nice stream, Justin. What do you play at @1:51:53? Sounds good ✨
Thanks for the kind words! Most of what I played in the stream is improvised, made up on the spot. There are some snippets of Bruce Hornsby's "Spider Fingers" thrown in around the 1:51:00 mark, to test the key repetition on the GHS action. There is also a snippet of one of my original pieces, "Spring Forth" (has a slow bossa nova feel), when checking out the bass sound.
You are comparing apples and oranges to compare to the yamaha you need an RD2000 of Fantom...and theare more velocity adjustments such as velocity key follow and release velocity
@@watcher9987 The piano is going to be for my own personal needs, and the Fantom and RD-2000 have way more features than I'll ever use. My hands can't handle the PHA-4 keybed, and the PHA-50 is far worse. I'll never need the Mainstage integration since I'm moving away from using computers/MIDI live. Also, the SuperNATURAL engine just sounds too artificial to my ears, and so does the V-Piano engine. I have a CK88 on the way. As soon as I get it, there'll be a review coming shortly.
Justin Havu, esse som sintético que vc falou, eu senti também no supernatural Roland FA.
Pointing out the flaws and blemishes is extremely important and helpful when it comes to a purchasing decision…PLEASE test the NUMA x and maybe some DEXIBELL pianos in another future splendid video! 👍
I don’t know about the Numa X 88 but the 73 uses the keybed that’s in my Nord Electro 5 HP and while it’s totally useable the keys aren’t graded which is something you need to get used to. On top of that I had mine 3 years and playing it most days and gigging most weekends in that time and the keybed wore out and I’m not a heavy handed player. I just replaced it and it feels new again but cost me £250 so worth keeping in mind.
Very nice !!! Thank you for sharing it !!!
Some great sounds here. And great playing.
I have the original RD88 … for me personally, about the piano sounds , they have a short decay… to short in my opinion … it’s like you play forte piano whole the time …
@@ElektronicCricket Yep, I heard the exact same thing when trying out the original. It'd totally get lost in a band mix.
You can change the decay
I own a 1st gen RD88 and also noticed the out of tune D6 (occurs around 8:27 in your video) on the Grand Piano patch (I'm not certain which piano voice you were playing in your video). I was interested if the expanded piano voices were any better than the original RD88 piano voices.
@@mr.tmusicteacher4466 Honestly, I can't tell the difference between the three SuperNATURAL pianos. The real difference is in the normal, bright, and mellow variants of each piano.
Bravó! Amazing! 👍
Great review! What about the Yamaha CK88 for a couple hundred above your budget?
@@deepsea313 I'm looking at getting one in probably three weeks time, as soon as my schedule clears up.
Great video pal. Fantastic playing as usual.
No matter what. Boring is boring.
Incredible composition at the end Justin. Miss playing with you man!
every time I skip forward an ad starts, this has happened 12 time snow, pretty frustrating
@@tristanmichael2051 Unfortunately, I don't have any control over the amount of ads, that's on Google's end.
Like the retro sound, Im also a keys player and always think these days, why do we have hardware synths etc with in built sounds when we just use in th box stuff anyway, and often its better or very close. Is it a mental thing, or a feel good factor to play with the hardware. OR could we drop laptops (except for midi sequencing), and just use hardware , as surely the Montage M etc are pretty damn good at producing sounds?
For me, I'll use whatever I have on hand, as I don't really have a permanent place to have all my hardware set up. I'll use plugins if I'm up in my apartment, and incorporate some hardware when I'm down here in the church area. For me, no matter the situation, it's about making music and getting to that zone as quickly and efficiently as possible.
why us such a mic for this? Just use a Lavier/lapel or a basic SM58... I know they give the impression of 'cool wow it's like a radio studio' but really unessesary in many of these types of video. when the sound of an SM58 and this one for 99% of people is the same.
@@tristanmichael2051 I don't own a lapel mic, and it probably won't be happening soon as I don't record videos on a regular basis -- only when my schedule allows. Not worth the investment right now considering how little I actually use it. Right now, I'm quite happy with the condenser, and the shockmount further isolates the mic. Also, don't get me started on my complete hatred for the SM58. Lol
What PC is that and what size and speed 😮
Built it myself. i9 12900K, 64GB DDR5 RAM, 6TB M.2 NVMe storage, RX590 8GB video card.
I didn't know Richard Simmons played keyboards?
@@vcr210 Autism spectrum disorder/anxiety. One way for me to ease sensory overload is to dress as light as I'm comfortable with. That's the complicated version. The simple version: You wear what you like, I'll wear what I like.
@@justinhavugood response Justin.😂
I doubt Simmons ever possessed the talent that Justin has. Trust me we’ve shared many stages over the years and this guy is the real deal!
Plays awesome. Cant say much for his backyard middle aged bbq dad look
@@sailordude61 Autism spectrum disorder/anxiety. One way for me to ease sensory overload is to dress as light as I'm comfortable with. That's the complicated version. The simple version: You wear what you like, I'll wear what I like.
Did the church buy it. Time i found god theres a new Moog i fancy 😂
Yeah true, churches everywhere seem to have a lot of money for audio gear. Our church randomly bought a keyboard worth $1200, but can't get a new drum set.
This is the ultimate modern synth but unfortunately is out of market in Europe right now. Not even in Thomann. They say they are still in negotiations with Yamaha. This situation sucks. I enjoyed your review and playing. Subscribed. Kind regards.
Well played!
Love your Vids! Not trying to be a jerk, I’m thinking that’s a Keylab 61 not 88. Appreciate all you do.
Yep, that's a MkII 61. The M8x is the 88. Lol. Extra proof that it's an unscripted demo.
Hello from Latvia,thanks aboaut your playing,i am a pianist and composer,your music stile is perferct,thanks
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Хороший аппарат 🙂👍
и недорогой🙂
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Thanks for these in-depth instructions on how to configure external controllers with the Montage. I'm planning to purchase Montage and I'm glad it can be used with additional keyboards/controllers. Also, I could swear that near the end of your video when you perform (demo), that I heard Yanni playing ;)
Thanks so much! Yanni is a huge influence on my instrumental music. So many great sounds.
First ,sounds sounds sounds , is this machin is better then the Nord 4
@@ericnataf9206 The Stage 4 is a completely different instrument than the Montage M. Honestly, I’ve never liked Nord. Overhyped and overpriced for what they are. I understand that a lot of people love them, and that’s totally fine. They’re just not for me.
breh montage has a sequencer and song recorder
@@neol07707 It does, but to me the main focus for the M8x is sound design and live performance. It just has the pattern sequencer from the Motif, but other than basic real-time recording, there's not much in the way of multi tracking or editing like on the Motifs.
Also, a question, does the keybed feel heavy and slow for playing fast licks like for the Organs? Again, great playing.
@@shehzadamurthy1983 I did a review and demo video on the M8x, in which I talk about the action. The GEX keybed, while a weighted action, is quite light to the touch, and VERY pleasing to play. I still prefer a fast waterfall or synth action for organs, but the M8x will more than get the job done.
@@justinhavu thanks for answering, I watched the review as well, I might have missed the part where u talk about the keybed. Cheers
Thanks for doing this, you play great, this itself could be a Jazz album! And Montage M also sounds surprisingly good!!
Would like to here the piano sounds and strings sound through actual speakesr so I can here the actual sound it will be producing.
@@pianomikeoct Every speaker is different, so no matter what system you use to listen to the M8x, it will sound a bit different from speaker to speaker, even if there's no external EQ. It's best to listen through a setup that you are really familiar with. That will give you the most accurate sound of the M8x. Also, if there's a shop in your area that has one in stock, bring your own headphones, again, ones that you're really familiar with, then test it out.
@@justinhavu I know all speakers are different , I just want an example , because they always sound better running direct and through head phones.
@@pianomikeoct I'd say then, to find a shop that has one in stock, and try it with your own headphones. I have to go through an interface in order to get quality sound to TH-cam. Unfortunately, the preamps and A/D converters in any interface will color the sound in some way, even if it's subtle.
As far as I know, the problem is when you record a speaker using a mic, you won't get the sound that the people sitting in audience would hear. So if you want to hear how it sounds through a speaker system, why not just play this video through a system you are familiar with.
Beautiful imaginative music! Great arrangement! Thank you! Can you also please write what you use for the keyboard snare and what does the drum part play? Thank you.
It all depends on the song. Drum sounds come from a combination of UVI Beatbox Anthology 2, and Steven Slate Drums 5. Drums on Going The Distance are SSD5 and an Alesis DM5. All sounds on Fairest Is The Light, including drum sounds, are from Arturia CMI V, a software emulation of the legendary Fairlight CMI, hence the song title.