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Long awaited, so thank you once again Micah! A good morning listen and a nice start of a new day 😊

Why when I do 12 / 20 x 0.5 am I getting 0.3 and not 1.2 like you suggested? I’m doing the sum you say, Twelve divided by twenty times zero point five, equals naught point 3? Is the math correct here? I think you mean 12 divided by 20 divided by 0.5 12 / 20 / 0.5 = 1.2 is this correct?

Been saying for a while the uk does differently Micah 👌 the kings of fescue right here. You need to visit. What you promote is what the uk actually does and has for a long long time, currently the grammar of greenkeeping, and we’ve been testing OM levels forever, we use mm though and do down to 80mm, I don’t believe the melich 3 tests are as effective but that’s just me. But I know what T-jay is saying, I’m friends with the McMillans and especially at kingsbarns I remember working at the dunhill classic, they didn’t cut a green all week and produced the most pure of fescue surfaces, greens rolling around 10.6 in those windy conditions absolutley pure. The brother at queenswood was the same, he was growing creeping bent grass greens with 50 units of nitrogen a year 50kg h/a He was way ahead of the system, you need to take a trip over here and see for yourself, the whole country is on board not just the few it would be great ambassadorship for your grammar of greenkeeping 👍🔥 I believe this is why Tj is saying he would love to manage grass here. We have had and used data for years, and are extremely sustainable in doing so with many products coming off the market

Joe I miss you buddy! Awesome to see you again.

It's been too long since we last golfed together T-Jay(and Micah). When are you coming out to CCB?

In case I need to get myself out of a situation sometime in the future, what is the ATC Double Cut gang sign?

T-Jay and Micah for the win (FTW)!!! I had the pleasure to meet T-Jay in person last year(thanks to BGGA and his chairman for the event),great man and processional.Waiting for Micah in Bulgaria anytime soon I hope :) ...

Hey Micah why does everyone fertilise greens before maintenance? I’ve always wondered about this and to me it isn’t practical is it? I akin it to, post op medicine that you are prescribed after an operation, you get medicine and are told to rest. Plants are the same no? Let’s say if it’s granular, a large percent of that granular will be lost in aeration and brushing and water down into the root zone, and if it’s foliar the grass will be recovering from abrasion and dry likely not able to utilise the nutrients until its rest phase anyway? Seems like so many wasted man hours. Afterwords is simply so much less time consuming, practical and effective.

Do you know what would be interesting? A study on when grass actually starts to decline/ thin, and or get compaction and black layer and disease with moisture that is too high, for instance the STRI claim 25% should be the moisture range at the top end of the spectrum down to 5%, other consultants on soil pushups recommend 30% for poa, but even that may be too much, do you have any good articles on this? i think a week at 30% would be detrimental

Most greens in Japan are bent grass today. Korai is spikey and grainy; the most frustrating grass I’ve ever putted on. PenguinGolf

Hi Chris and Micah. Course looks great!

Don’t blink

Great to see these Luminaries talking about turf grass!! Thank you for all you do for our industry!!!

I do think as a Head Greenkeeper and as a golf player that is very important to measure trueness and i should say that i do change working plans acoording to values of trueness . Also i relate trueness to cliping yield, speed, firmness , all is conected and i reinforce , i do change working plans acoording, incluiding also quality of cut, etc. How can we manage without measure. And trueness is so important to golfer, yes? Nutrition i do feel it is important to conect to cliping yield and folow good guidelines , realistic ones, plus some fungistatic like iron sulphate

What event were you at when you made this video?

Hi Micah, I think you both may of been getting your wires crossed in your strong beliefs. I'll give you my 2 pence regarding how i interpreted the conversation. As a golf playing super intendant, I can fully understand where Frank is coming from. If you play a round of golf, and you've just shot 14 under, you don't complain the greens are bobbly, it is legitimately just somebody being cruel. I don't know a single honest golfer who shoots 14 under par and says the greens are too bobbly, that is seriously just not possible, i wouldn't even bother going to test the data to prove that, I would simply look at the field of competition and see how many people are 10-14 under par and if there's more than 10, now that's a large sample size. I counter your argument with this, the US Open at Pinehurst was incredible, golfers barely broke par, does that also mean the greens are bad? Using what you've said then all of the golfers Over par should be complaining? I mean literally less than 1% of the playing field broke far, so i'm sorry but i kind of agree with Frank. Now for the most part, i do agree with testing for internal data collection, as in for the maintenance teams knowledge, but we shouldn't be sharing this information with golfers because it is absolutely useless to them, even stimping is an arbitrary number, im in the camp of stimping is useless, why? You stimp on a perfect surface in perfect conditions and then when play starts you're subject to everything, uphill puts that change the stimp meter reading completley, weather conditions which could effect readings, afternoon growth condition dependant, player traffic, there is simply so many things that could effect stimping and in turn that means smoothness and trueness. If you bobble tested your greens mid-round of a us open tournament, i bet my life that conditions would not be the same as the conditions you tested data in the morning, so whats the bloody point? :D I think we can also look at data ' too much' and what we need is a bench march that is acceptable and that is it. Your 8 could be somebody elses 5, could be somebody elses 10 Your stimp numbers might never mean a single thing because not one player actually putts their ball from your stimped position, now if you can honestly read this and reflect on what i've said from a non-bias'd view i think you will agree with alot of it. Moving onto Frank not knowing what to do with a bobble test, i think hes also correct. What do you do if your balls snaking? Do you double cut first? Or a double roll? Or a double verticut? Do you Sand? What do you choose first? Youre subjecting your greens to a process that will stress them for a period of time all because of some snaking or one bobble that could literally be because of a 'pitch mark' thats been repaired incorrectly? That should also be taking into account. So many factors Micah and i think we may be getting a bit too 'data happy'. Just my take though from an ole' logically thinking supe'

In my planted tanks (lol), I would see very similar results. High light, which resulted in faster growth, would consume the nutrients faster and end the week with leaner water. And sometimes, go into deficiencies issues. And pretty fast if very high light and not much nutrients. In a low light tank, nutrients would hang around for much longer. So end of week (week cycle of tests and dosing), and test would show much higher nutrients in water column. So we would dial the dose to do much less nutrients in low light tanks. *we're using RO filted water, 50% weekly water change, weekly nutrient doses. All that said, I never saw the connection of lower nutrient and better plant growth or quality. There would be differences and some quite shocking. Like some plants would show different shapes, color, and size with different nutrient levels. Its a common thing to limit nitrogen to get red comor on some plants. But that can also kill the plant if taken to an extreme and ive done that lol. Too much nutrients would generally be associated with greener leaves and faster growth. Not always what we wanted.

Does it have any effect on Poa triv cotrol as well or just annua?

What kind of zoysia!?

Details please

Like the idea of review of turf literature and articles. I think there should be a forum for turf grass managers to chat about experiences control methods and rates of products and product combinations. Primo maxx is a good example of this. Lots of different rates, lots of different products mixed with it.

Surfactants? Agree affect the the Rhzophere but also reduce SWC<

Love the debate.

Base chemistry REDOX reaction. You are talking arounfd this languague. My thoughts.

For rates of Salitic Acid + Russells: Soil Condition of Plant Growth. ED Wild 1988. Off the top f my head. Enjoying.

Did you discuss lateral growth on and off pgr?? Will runners grow just as fast?? I watched 2/3 but gave up

Watching this before I have to present to the greens committee tomorrow morning so I can properly convey what the numbers mean!! Thank you

Let's go....!

Just always use edding instead of sharpie german quality

Micah how is he able to roll turf and compact greens like that and not need to aerate? This has got me baffled, I have never met anybody that hasn’t used atleast 100kg/ha a year in the uk on Poa and that’s lean even for Americans. Also Micah is this on clay greens? What about old clay pushups in the uk this seems hard to do.

i love your podcast. im from switzerland and i do a lot of your sings sinc 15 years. it is nice to have people they do the same

Hi Micah, So the formula you would put into the spreadsheet would be : =sum(CLipvol*0.63*4.8%)

62 annual N units and 15 fungicide applications, with little GP weather from October to May seems ok, but dificult in Europe... - seedheads and BT 8.5? A nine is one only shaking or snaking - 7mm solids does not affect almost anything and infiltration increases from 20 or 30 to 100 or mm/h (watering about 35 per hour). It increases because we measure it before and 2 minutes after, with an infiltrometer. If the soil is saturated, the difference is almost zero, then only structurally yes, changing drainage or certain blockages - don't use regulators? But improve physiology endurance and resilience, in addition to game quality - only ammonium minus S. ... and also S. Iron decrease poa, but desiccant... and acid fokiar environment good for antracnose.. and if a lot of sulfur... why not environmental/ "obligate" paclobutrazol to safe less poa and the less fitofarm. - treshold of clipings low ml/ m2 to antracnose eirks good for us - 410 Maredo reseeder is top, very good germination rate yes - reactive rather than proactive plan (although with general guidelines of annual objectives) makes perfect sense and is very interesting even in terms of innovation. - just my subjective construtive view of very useful videoa , congrats, keep up and many thanks sharing. - tes 8 % of organic matter and material seems hight, but if good metrucs and health, the highter the better yes?

(sand based)

The one thing I didn't hear you mention is how your putting surfaces were built. My understanding is they were built to USGA spec 9sand based) and many greens in the Pacific Northwest are old school push-up/dirt based putting surfaces, which are what Jason Haines had at the Sunshine Coast. It would be interesting to see how this practice would work on non USGA spec putting surfaces.

Nice youtube👍

Is his water N free?

Fantastic, great information, this is the research we need done to eliminate carpet, keep it up

How many sqf will treat?

I found the Bob Raley video regarding phosphorus and poa highly interesting. In fact I was discussing the link between phosphorus and poa invasion on bent grass putting greens with a well known British lawn expert and former golf course superintendent. He basically said there is no link at all and if it was just one thing, why isn't everyone doing it? What is your view on this?

Thank you and to those researchers as well...!

I did treeplanting on an island off the NSW coast in Australia, where I live and they have been doing all they can to remove the kikuyu from the island. It grows so tall and snese (over 2m tall) the native penguins cant get on the island to nest, or they get into the grass and die cos they get stuck. I planted thousands if trees and we went to spots they had not burnt the grass in two years and it was so dense you cant get into it.

Understanding soil function is the new frontier. This is just the same archaic mindset that has found us in this mess

Long awaited , thanks! Do you asked how they feed it?

I love Bent grass 007 and 777❤

Here in South Florida, I was able to find some fine-bladed zoysia growing in the wild (trails and parks, like the Everglades). Also what I was told to be centipede. Those 2 would form a decent turf in the wild. I did find some Bermuda but not looking good. Usually too thin, mixed with way too many weeds, or just a few tiny spots of just a few plants. Obviously, I found some Saint Agustine near the water. And something that may be seashore, but I'm not sure. I was surprised to find zoysia as some turf specialists have told me Florida was not a good place for zoysia. That Zoysia was very stiff though. Some patches were looking pretty good, quite short and with fewer weeds.

A very interesting episode for me as soil testing is something that is not often done on residential lawns over here in the UK. I have followed the mlsn work and the youtube videos of yours for the past few years. From what I observe, I agree with Maggie, most lawn only need nitrogen and most lawns have around 5% organic matter which is a good amount. Over here I wouldn't expect P to be the most common deficiency as there are few fertilisers here with zero phosphorus so this is added at each application. Also the comment about sulphur levels is interesting because sulphur is supplied from ammonium sulfate as well as from iron sulphate and so you would expect sulphur to be over supplied.

This view of residential turf is so interesting and your guest and you worked so well together...!

I have a few samples of grass in the backyard. t31 (not anymore), platinum te, laser, primo, unknown zoysia, unknown paspalum vaginatum, stadium, etc. T31 struggled pretty bad with low light. Paspalum totally changed the growth pattern but was still growing pretty good, much taller, but good growth. Zoysia didn't change the growth pattern much just slowed the growth a bit. Similar results in samples in the front yard. But so far I was told that paspalum was just like Bermuda when it comes to shade tolerance. Now your numbers of 20 for zoysia, 30 for paspalum and 40 for bermuda make a lot more sense. t31 also struggled bad in the winter here in South Florida. Lots of overcast weather and shade from neighbors. Didn't go dormant, but looked funky. Seashore was still spreading. So the difference is clear to me.