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As an autistic person with CPTSD and DID, this has changed my life since 2009. Ketamine is great and highly recommend.

Wonderful interview. Thank you very much. I hope more people can get access to this treatment. Having been a recreational user and coming back to it with intentional use of healing trauma recently in a private setting, i know it works and how precious it is. Would love to see becoming normalised in a clinical setting. It is heartening to see young doctors interested in this. Truely wonderful, it gives me hope.

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Klart og koncist oplæg, der er ekstremt vigtigt - ikke blot for den videre forskning indenfor psykedelika, men for den overordnede forståelse af mennesket. Du fremhævede at mdma hjælper mennesker til at frembringe de indre ressourcer som det allerede besidder, men har mistet tilgang til. Det får mig til at tænke på IFS tankegangen om selvet, hvor antagelsen også er, at vi alle besidder et stærkt og udviklet indre uafhængigt af traumer. Målet er at finde ind til det ved at omfavne alle de forsvarsmekanismer, vi har bygget op omkring det. Hvordan tænker du at IFS modellen passer med psykedelisk assisteret terapi?

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Wouldn't touch it, Bessel. My SSRI works fine.

I’ve done it about 10 times over a thirty year period. The first time was just for fun. I did it with a longtime friend and we had a blast. We had really deep conversations and it😂was all about love. It really was a beautiful experience. I immediately saw how it could used in a positive way. Since that first time, each time I’ve done it have been times when big changes were going on in life that I felt I wasn’t ready for and in some weird way it seemed to give me a different perspective and be able to unpack my fears, thereby, allowing myself to be myself again. By that I mean that I was reminded of who I am, what I stand for, and where I go from here. I’ve never done it in a party/club environment and, quite frankly, I have ALWAYS felt that was a complete waste.

What is the dosage for someone with bipolar disorder? I do t go shreaking high just rarely hypo how would it effect me. I have been through bad traumas and cant live want to die

What for anxiety which is there for the whole day. I am gettingn Spravato for my TRD.

I suffered many serious traumas in my past, and used mdma recreationally, which I believe healed me

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🧠 Bessel van der Kolk's Introduction to MDMA-Assisted Therapy - Bessel van der Kolk discusses his interest in various treatment methods for trauma, including MDMA therapy. - He highlights the transformative potential of MDMA therapy and its profound impact. 02:30 🌱 Origins and Involvement in MDMA Research - Bessel explains how he got involved in MDMA research and its history dating back 15 years. - He shares his initial concerns about the legality of using psychedelics for PTSD treatment. 05:32 🤔 Challenges and Concerns - Bessel discusses the potential societal challenges of adopting MDMA therapy, including its impact on work ethic and cultural values. - He expresses concerns about how the world will accept and integrate the therapy's transformative effects. 09:10 💔 Self-Compassion and Healing - Bessel explores the profound effects of MDMA therapy on self-compassion, allowing individuals to confront and heal from their trauma. - He emphasizes that MDMA therapy is not just a treatment for PTSD but a deeper exploration of one's self. 11:54 🧘‍♀️ Mind Treatment and Post-Traumatic Growth - Bessel challenges the term "post-traumatic growth" and suggests that trauma survivors acquire unique knowledge and coping mechanisms. - He reframes the therapist's role as a guide, helping individuals in their healing journey. 17:50 🌌 Personal Experiences with MDMA - Bessel shares his personal experience with MDMA therapy, including confronting the pain and trauma accumulated during his career. - He reflects on the transformative power of MDMA and its impact on his perception of pain and healing. 20:25 🌍 Shared Humanity and Training for Therapists - Both Bessel and the interviewer discuss the profound impact of MDMA therapy on recognizing shared human experiences. - They advocate for therapist training with MDMA to enhance their understanding of trauma and psychology. 23:46 🌐 Future of MDMA Therapy - Bessel and the interviewer discuss the potential challenges of managing the widespread adoption of MDMA therapy. - They express the need for responsible use and continued exploration of the therapy's capabilities. 26:06 🧘‍♀️ Bessel van der Kolk's vision of accessible sacred experiences - Bessel van der Kolk envisions creating accessible places for sacred experiences and retreats for self-discovery. - Advocates for the need to provide context and opportunities for personal growth beyond financial constraints. 27:05 📊 Results of MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD - Two-thirds of participants in MDMA-assisted therapy trials no longer had a PTSD diagnosis. - Emphasis on the importance of measuring resolution of trauma beyond traditional PTSD scores. - Secondary data analysis highlights the significant impact of self-compassion and self-acceptance. 30:08 💡 Exploring alexithymia and trauma - Alexithymia, the inability to identify and express emotions, is linked to childhood neglect and abuse. - The significance of caregivers helping individuals identify and communicate their feelings. - The potential of MDMA therapy to enhance emotional awareness and expression. 32:13 👥 Sense of self and improved relationships - MDMA therapy often leads to a strengthened sense of self, emotional self-sufficiency, and personal boundaries. - Improved interpersonal relationships with reduced judgment, projection, and defensiveness. - Encouraging examples of individuals calmly negotiating relationships and needs. 34:20 🏞️ Inner healing intelligence and bodily experiences - MDMA therapy involves guiding the inner healing process, similar to being a "guide" in mountain climbing. - The concept of inner healing intelligence manifesting as bodily experiences. - The importance of recognizing the body's role in healing and exploring potential improvements in body-focused therapy. 38:23 💰 Concerns about capitalism and profit-driven practices - Worries about the potential for profit-driven practices to overshadow the therapeutic value of MDMA therapy. - The need to maintain careful standards and training to ensure safe and effective treatment. - The importance of balancing accessibility and affordability with maintaining therapeutic integrity. 43:09 🌍 MDMA's potential impact on community and culture - Reflecting on how the psychedelic research movement can promote compassion and humanism. - Considering the role of psychedelics in mitigating social isolation and fostering community bonds. - Challenges in integrating research findings into policy and the importance of policymakers experiencing the treatment themselves. 48:05 🚦 Moving cautiously in the legalization process - Emphasizing the need for careful, step-by-step legalization of MDMA therapy. - Concerns about the risks of hasty implementation and the potential for adverse effects. - The balance between maintaining safety and ensuring broader accessibility to treatment. 50:43 🤝 Collaborative efforts for the future of therapy - Acknowledgment of the importance of collaboration between researchers, policymakers, and therapists. - The potential of personal experiences with MDMA therapy to inform and shape policy decisions. - The challenge of shifting cultural attitudes and increasing access to trauma treatment. 52:29 📊 The significance of MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD - MDMA-assisted therapy shows promise for treating severe and complex trauma. - Clinical impressions and research data support its effectiveness. - Non-profit funding and methodological rigor add credibility to the research. 55:32 🤔 Implications of self-compassion and alexithymia in MDMA therapy - Self-compassion and alexithymia are significant factors in psychological well-being. - MDMA therapy may have a positive impact on these constructs. - The potential for broader applications beyond PTSD treatment is promising. 57:11 🌐 Societal implications of MDMA therapy - Bessel van der Kolk discusses potential societal shifts due to MDMA therapy. - Concerns about altering values and perceptions, particularly related to capitalism. - The need to balance clinical focus with awareness of societal implications. 01:01:51 💼 Personal experiences and work-life balance in MDMA therapy - Personal experiences of decreased preoccupation with work and increased focus on love. - The potential for individuals to invest energy in healthier directions. - The idea that capitalism is unlikely to be severely impacted by these shifts.

I’m undertaking my fourth MDMA therapy journey this week, underground in Seattle. I am so fortunate to have this at my disposal with a trusted therapist, it’s impacted my cPTSD in a positive way that 20 years of therapy couldn’t touch. It’s an amazing medicine!

This was a wonderful podcast and very informative..would love to see another one with Bessel now after a year has passed.....he is such a humble person and I appreciate both of you sharing. It is sad that "Western" society has such a stigma regarding these medicines. If the governments hadn't been so scared, and controlling and had taken an "honest" look at the research that was done, 40-odd years ago where we would be today as a society. Very sad as it could have helped so many. Lots of wise words regarding so many venues. Thank you.

At 1 euro a box with 30 tablets of 60 mgs., a long time ago, that should be on sale. Fed up with the psychotherapeutic considerations of eminences of psychology and psychiatry. It's much milder for brain health than caffeine and just as inaccessible to most people as Russian caviar.

I had the worst, most traumatic experience of my life during MDMA assisted therapy with a highly trained professional. A new and indescribable level of hell opened up to me that day. It was like six hours of being tortured and eaten alive by wild demons. This was three months ago. I have been having panic attacks and struggling with despair and an almost ever-present fear of losing my mind ever since (symptoms that I did NOT have before). If there are others out there like me, I would like to find them for support. I am still struggling every day to recover from this experience, and I often feel hopeless that I will ever be able to heal from it. I wish I could tell Bessel van der Kolk about my experience. People need to know about the risks.

It’s about time we had something that actually works. I never felt so good in my teens in the 90’s 😂🎉

I did ketamine treatment !! But this looks more hopeful

Why Therapists need to be treated too, since they carry all the trauma from their patients, that is a lot of pain they were exposed to, and they need to take care of themselves too, it has an effect ...

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Having extreme PTSD, and knowing many others do, whose lives are at a Stop due the disabling symptoms, knowing there is this potential amazing treatment and not having easy access or access at all is a horrible tease.

Hopefully this form of Therapy will become more available for more people. It is inhumane to prevent people from having access to this, when our society in general is suffering from trauma on such a large scale...

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I am a clinical psychologist and specialize in treating trauma. I appreciate your thought provoking conversations. Thanks for spurting them “out there” for all to access. I am hopeful about MDMA and other psychedelic assisted therapies and the conversation about how to bring them from clinical trail into healing spaces in western societies is VERY important IMO. Set and setting…they are both deeply important somehow. As someone living in the context of American capitalism I share Van der Kolk’s concern about how the momentum of American capitalism may pose conflicts interests to those of us who are most excited and wanting to provide healing and trust the process. American Capitalism’s value system seems to be moving us more and more toward money/power as the only value, and achieving it by any man’s necessary. This is my gut intuition about the growing foundation of American capitalism and government. It seems the interviewers perspectives are different and reflect their country’s values, which is why these conversations are so important to have across cultures. It leads me to wonder MDMA’s role in integrating and balancing the tensions between love and power

Seriously need this for two of my adult children. They have major TRAUMA and it effects their daily lives. Having been a “Raver” in the early 90s I KNOW the beautiful benefits. It’s a fantasy way to open and clear the brain with nothing but love and beauty and interestingly huge amounts of compassion and understanding for another person.

My brother passed away June 16 of last year this drug is helping me as I type heal . I can feel his energy . It's beautiful but sad . We were like best friends he was to young to die. I would gladly take his place . This is a miracle drug I'm at peace right now . It should be legal

Is psilocibine and mdma recommended if you have a broke self? Is it recommendable to beeak the self, before you even fix it together?

I already had 3 sessions.

as a human with cPTSD, this brings me to tears. Thank you for sharing.

Excellent ! thank you !!!!

Wonderful discussion. So important. Many thanks.

This was so interesting. I also enjoyed your discussion after Your talk with Dr. Van Der Kolk. I just started his book, and would love to hear you continue a conversation on this work. Thank you so much.

A wonderful conversation. Thank you.

Thank you all for such nice feedback! It was a pleasure to do this interview with Bessel. I hope everyone will share this piece widely in their networks!

It's great that he also advocates EMDR, IFS and Brainspotting Therapy!

His concern about its misuse and hijack by pharmaceutical companies is well justified. This drug needs to be administered very carefully. They should do trials on severely traumatised populations. He recently spoke at the Collective Trauma Summit hosted by Thomas Hübl. I wonder what potential MDMA has in helping broken societies heal collectively, beginning with individual healing of course.

This is excellent. Thank you for this! I'm a fan of his work on trauma. Looking forward to where his current research takes us. Wonder how long it will take for MDMA and other psychedelic based interventions to become mainstream

It seems to me that the PTSD cannot be cured

mdma retreats under professional surveillance sounds like a great idea. Groof had some very insightful groups with LSD, but like with so many other 'drugs' he had to stop it because of political decisions. After such a retreat it would be much easier to gain insight through 'spiritual' traditions. It actually takes a well integrated 'I' to start doing non-dual investigations. "She saw that all phenomena arose, abided and fell away, She saw that even knowing this arose, abided and fell away. Then she knew There was nothing more than this No ground Nothing to lean on stronger than the cane she held Nothing to lean upon at all And no one leaning. And she opened the clenched fist in her mind and let go And fell into the midst of everything" -From the story of Teijitsu Abbess of HakuJuan (Japan)

Awesome, thanks.

Loved this conversation with you and van der Kolk! Thanks for lifting the very interesting progress that is happening around MDMA assisted therapy, but for also shedding light on the possible risks when not used in the forum or under safe circumstances.

I look forward to reading his book "body keeps the score". Loved the podcast. Thanks much!

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