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Muy espectacular, completa, antigua, tradicional y bonita

My understanding is that the Pinans/Heians came from Ku Shanku (3 and 4), Channan (1 and 2) and Bassai (5)

I don't understand it, so I'll explain it away. This is so typical. Application does not have to follow the exact movement, direction, or sequence.

Demon/tengu hops... If you know you know

Kata it's the Soul of Karate if there's no Kata is not Karate, It's part of Karate Culture in Muay Thai they dance before the fights you like it or not is their Culture too.

That’s accent at the start karate is pronounced like that and kata is like Khatha no offence

Not that it shouldn't exist but that it shouldn't be so explicitly emulated in a kata. Omote, ura, honto... that whole bit.

Sensei Azuma was tired of these Katas and made a new style of karate without a Kata😭 (Kudo)

人們的觀點尤如學數學，你學統計學，學微積分等，日常生活你很少用到，但這代表所學無用嗎？視乎你觀點與角度吧！

If you knew what is the meaning of the Chinte 'fist in the palm' technique, you would not need to wonder what is the meaning of the three hops. It is quite clear and rational, not some stupid 'jumping with an armbar'.

Like shadow boxing. The opponent never fights back.

And to this day, as an official, I have to deal with judges from a JKA background that insist that ALL karate kata must start and end at the same point. I’ve been teaching Goju-Ryu for 25 years, bud, they don’t. Side note: is it just me, or do shotokan people seem to think that shotokan is the only real karate, and JKA people seem to think that JKA is the only real shotokan?😂

Kenkojuku branch of shotokan is the oldest organization in the style. And thus has the older version of the kata. In their version, you don't hop, you take 2 steps back, which is far more dignified. You can Google the kata for kenkojuku.

I agree there are endless way to have gotten back to the starting point without the weird hops. I also agree that without some hand movements, it's hard to figure out a martial use for the hops. Did some Karate master at some point just get drunk one night and decide to put it in as a practical joke on future generations? That's as good an explanation as any.

Shotokan isn't older than shito-ryu. Because shito-ryu is now just an umbrella term for all the styles of karate that do not belong to wado ryu, goju ryu and shotokan which are somewhat standardized, so that the old styles can be performed in WKF competitions. Even the original Shorin-ryu exists on competitions as "shito-ryu". Almost all of karate is plagued by the dumb rules of the past or dumb rules of the present, either by the JKA or WKF.

My Master (many years ago) told me that those 3 jumps are necessary to return to my original position and therefore respect the correct embusen.

The first explanation is also what I learned. The Obsession of beginning and ending at the same spot. This is obviously a stupid rule.

Abe Keigo Sensei said it was just to return to the starting point - important philosophically as well

Is there a bunkai for this kata?

Bring Heihashi Mishima in plz

You know occam's racor? Thory 1: It's a rule requirement - simple and easy solution that is founded on sound logic. Theory 2: There once was some ancient technique - that we all forgot about - but that is part of this one kata - and is not found anywhere else - and it involves doing exactly 3 bunnyhops while standing upright in an almost defenceless position - which is very similar to the position you take to start the bow to greet the judges. - very complicated solution that requires several steps and additional explanations and still has a much less sound logic behind it. I very much tend to believe in theory no. 1

There is no mystery as to the hops . They were added to comply with competition rules of ending at the same point.

And the added a real effective grounding technigue after locking the opponent. This will work for a smaller opponent who has managed to lock onto a larger stronger opponent. In the kata to technique looks quite cute. hahahaha.

Bullshido dates back years!!!......

This form migrated to TKD too. Without the hops.

Karate is a travesti of Kungfu . Karate is very mechanical with lots of jerking movements , not fluid like taichi or kungfu . Karate as fighting method is absolutely USELESS .

ShudoKan has a Kishimoto, Chibana and Chatan Yara version, also included recently in the WKF list.

Or a sentimental traditionalist found poetry in the symmetry of balance and put the rule in and shotokan was already aware of this balanced beauty and bothe, the rule set and shotokan came to the same conclusion. A chicken and egg situation

Great clip, hops are added to make practitioners finish in the spot they started.

I think the best way to find the answer would be to ask the Chinese sources these techniques originate from. Jesse Enkamp is trying something like this himself by collaborating with the Chinese kungfu trainers.

99% of the "moves" displayed are garbage. It comes from a time where fighting arts were transformed into kind of cults for gullible persons and where a sensei made all sorts of claims that he made up on the fly . Most asian martial arts have been corrupted by such process that happened after extended periods of peace, where basically nobody was fighting anymore and this all turned into fantasy BS that were never actually verified in fights. It's no coincidence that when you see actual karate in sport fights, this simply ressembles plain kick boxing with the exception fo the few useluf techniques like axe kick, Uchi Mawachi Geri and the famed Do Mawashi Kaiten Geri. And some throws of course. For example, karate has NOTHING to add to the world in terms of punches. All the punches in karate are the most inane punches in existence. Not one proper hook, not one proper straight, not a proper uppercut, nothing. Completely inane and laughable.

But we've Always done it this way! The Japanese and the Germans, "We must always follow all the rules!"

I was going to write a light-hearted reason for why the hops... it turns out my joke reason IS the reason.

One might suspect that there was to be one hop between each of three different disaplenairy presentation this makes for an extended workout and separation in its display

One thing left out on the origins of Shotokan is that Funakoshi was Okinawan. Okinawa styles weren't really fixated on finishing exactly where you started on forms. However, when tasked with creating a physical education program for Japanese schools, he knew that many families were still of the militaristic mindset that existed until just about 40 years earlier with the ending of the Samurai era. He changed many of the forms to fit that mold.

It does seem, with all of the style offshoots, that there are so many versions of Kusanku and Bassai that it's hard for judging officials to keep up.

Chinte (like Gankaku) has obvious Chinese roots, which predate both ShitoRyu and Shotokan. Qigong TCM theory on that sort of forearm position/heel drops and the roots of shiko, might offer some insight... outside of the realm of point competition.

kata are useless

Very concise video thanks for the great explanation . A pleasure seeing serious Karate instead of opinions seen in some videos.

One of those Kusanku spots, looked like O'Sensi Odo??

Many Teachers don't teach Bunkai. The Meaning and reasons for KATA makes it Interesting and gives you the Reason of KATA. Fighting Techniques

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Nice video! A few clips from my videos appear at various points. I think a little bit of clarification may be needed from me to ensure my views on the hops are not unintentionally misrepresented. One place I appear is at 2:37 with the narration, “… despite some people trying to find some kind of meaning in these hops.” That clip is taken from a video I made in 2014. Ten seconds into that video I make clear it is my view that the hops are almost certainly there in the Shotokan version to fulfil the modern dictate of starting and ending on the same place. I show a use of the hops (for fun and interest more than anything else), but I am TOTALLY CLEAR that the hops are not in other versions, were most likely added for aesthetic purposes, and were probably not intended to have a function. You can see for yourselves here: th-cam.com/video/SkT8bP6_874/w-d-xo.htmlsi=F5pq-bol-IB6bJOh&t=10 My ten year old video is therefore in agreement with the conclusions reached in this video … but you may not get that from the short clip used. I don’t think this was an intentional attempt to misrepresent or anything like that. Rather it’s just that way the clip syncs up with the narration. As I say, the full 2014 video is still here on TH-cam if people want to know what I do think of the hops. Once again, good video! Nicely edited and narrated. I like it!

Thats one of those katas that would like to have more attention in competitions. It is a shame that no one remembers that kata (I'm not gonna lie, unfortunetly even I forget it exists sometimes lol)

Why use footage of Kanazawa Soke but talk about JKA and not his SKIF?