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Apologies if there was any confusion: lots of technical issues with Jim's screens, so severe editing may make this a little incoherent. As far as remembering goals etc, I think its fair to say that Jim and I barely remember what we had for breakfast this morning, let alone what our plans were gamewise.

I think that will be the plan for 2025. We intend to do a "tour" of eastern Front games covering 1941 to 1945, and all of the Victory games (both MMP versions and Vulca versions) will get a play.

@@CurmudgeonswithDicethere’s also the games from Revolution and 3CG 3 crown games

Stefan's games are bloody good!

I've seen your channel and Ithink you are selling yourself short. Your vids are really good!

@@CurmudgeonswithDicethank you

Oh Shucks! Thanks!

I don't need Idiocy Rules. I can provide my own Idiocy. 😜

Yeah - that first turn Supply Chit draw was a bit of a missed opportunity - not helped because the Maistein chit had been put into the Cup, so it wasnt around to remind me that it was available to redo that draw

Both Jim and I really like the game system, so I think doing all of Barbarossa will be on the cards at some stage. As far as crazy goes, you will see plenty of mistakes being made - it can be tough to keep track of which units can move and which units can't.

Thanks for that (now I have to go back and see what we were doing in Golan!)

Yeah...that sounds like us

Ahh. Good to know. Thanks

@@CurmudgeonswithDice sorry for necroposting, just a remark for future viewers)

The Allies had only lost 2(?) units while the Axis had lost about 8. Because the Allies start with more units, there is a good chance they can penetrate the line and surround the Axis units that are stretched holding the line. With those sorts of losses, the Axis units were exposed and very vulnerable to being surrounded. By the last turn, I think Jim saw that losing the 5-4-12 was too much of a body blow. I feel the Germans have to be very aggressive right from the first turn - they have to reduce the unit count of the Allies.

Sounds like nothing has changed from 1941 ;)

Glad you like them! As far as SPI games are concerned, these guys were the real experimenters of the industry. They churned out about 20 games a year and from that prodigious experimentation, became the giant that later game companies drew their inspiration from. (This isn't to take away Avalon Hill's significant contribution to the gaming industry!)

Thanks for that - I've just purchased the new version of France '40. Just waiting for it to make it to my mailbox!

Attrition!

My pleasure!

Our initial assessment was that drawing the British Move chit when i did guaranteed Jim was never going to get 3 beaches, but even if a German chit was pulled he would have to do a move, but there are only 3 units that can hit the beaches - and one of those beaches was going to have Naval Support, which makes it really hard to capture 3 beaches. if he went for the British beaches , the danger was that the brits could pull something out of the line and stack on the beach - making the capture that much harder for the germans. Jim and I talked a bit about this, and he though the odds would be better going for the US beaches, except he needed to pull a German chit straight after the reaction (2 chances out of 3). In the end what was crucial was that the Brits got the movement, and placed a unit just north of Bayeux. This meant no German unit could reach Utah beach. But essentially, your assessment is correct - Naval Support guaranteed the outcome, not the chit pulls as such.

@@CurmudgeonswithDice Thanks for the analysis. It was interesting to see that move and made me think about it for a bit. Always enjoy your all's videos.

This is a good one to have, I think. Any of Ted Raicer's games would be good, too

Thanks! Will do!

Try cmmodsiii.greenasjade.net/ Hope your Russian is up to par

Thanks for your support!

I have played a lot of wargames with Jim in the 80's, and I can honestly say he is the SLOWEST gamer ever, but by god, he knows how to cripple hi opponents. He thinks about the weakness of his opponent, and drives home at it with surgical skill. Don't play War In the Pacific (SPI) with him. It can be humiliating.

Oh sorry just found the answer. The rules also state in the section about tripling combat strength on 1st turn: "(but never more than tripled)". Thanks for this play through. It's helping me learn the game.

We aren't British, so don't ask us. We don't know!

I am keen to do more of these, and I am lining up to purchase the later version of the CM. The problem is that they are fiendishly complicated to make if you want to see both sides, rather than one side and nothing much happening on the other side. I am hoping that the new version will allow a replay of a complete game, so that you get to see everything, but if not, then its back to the hard slog of carefully stitiching together two different views. None the less, I think its worth it. Glad you enjoyed it.

i used to play M1 tank platoon and the later Microprose version of it, always had major overkills against zero losses. but i knew i was playing an arcadey version, only a platoon size force....then i found combat mission and hoo boy it's been a 15 year love affair with it. I have a new gaming coputer in 2023 so i can max out everything on the CM2 engine. But i will always miss the massive variety of tanks and tracks from 1935 era tanks to 1945. CharB and funny Ruskk scout cars all the way to superheavy blue armor value IS-3!

Yes, I recently purchased the new CM2, and found that it covers all the tanks from about 1943 onwards. I really wanted to make a newer version of the scenario we had played in CMBB, and found that it had none of the tanks that I need. None the less, expect a ham fisted CM2 game in the not to distant future.

Our pleasure!

I am comtemplating purchasing Combat Mission Red Thunder (post Vietnam vacation make finances a bit tight) and if there is a scenario editor for the game, I will make that happen.

@@CurmudgeonswithDice That would be great (it does have an editor) but you will also need the add-on module "Fire and Rubble" that adds Winter terrain (unless you use a Winter mod).

Hi Mark - We are trying to organise another SPI game soon. However, the voting system for picking a game is about as chaotic as the way we play.

Hi Peter. I know we know the rule, and I am pretty sure we did count out the reinforcements that way - we just didnt line them up off map. All that's not to say that in the heat of battle we sometimes miscount.

@@CurmudgeonswithDice tbh im in awe off the depth of knowledge that you guys have and your recall of rules over many probably hundreds of different games while im just starting out on the SPI games as a beginner. I only made the observation as i was actually reading that rule in my hand as you guys were coming on map 😂

With a lot of SPI games the rules are just "muscle memory" - these quad games all have the same rules. That being said, we are always furiously checking and arguing about the rules (I just sometimes edit the tedious stuff out)

I have my moments

Yeah - I'm not sure I would have given up the safety of the town, but Daniel doesnt normally make mistakes - so maybe he had some inscrutable plan.

I couldn't agree more - these smaller games from SPI were fast, furious and brutal. And highly entertaining to play (and, I hope, to watch!)

Thanks Stiglr

I have played this quad more than any other game I own.

All these criteria make it good to be alive!

There's a lot to be said for these early 70's games from SPI. The design philosophy is incrediably simple but always enjoyable to play.

Yeah, the die rolls were horrific for poor old James as the Allied player. That being said, I have seen some analysis some years ago of the die roll, and the randomness held pretty true from a statistical point of view. Maybe it's time to revisit some good testing.

Yes, entirely under appreciated.

That's how ex's become ex's (sorry for your loss - the game, not the ex)

The rule is a life saver for the Germans, although we may not have been implementing it correctly - i think you can only triple he movement if a) you cross the boundary (which we did) and b) you didn't start or end movement in a ZOC (which I may have not done on one occasion)

Congratulations! Enjoy!

Everytime I've played this game, its come down to the last couple of turns.

Glad you enjoy it!

SPI was a giant in the industry, and a giant whose shoulders all other modern game companies stand on.

Thanks Mark - I will look that up. It would be an unusual rule for SPI, but it looks an importnat distinction

It's not clear in the rules about the breaking up of stacks in retreat, but we checked the Decision version of the game, and the rules definitely indicate that this is a requirement, so we are going with that for the rest of the game. Thanks Mark!

@@CurmudgeonswithDice Thanks for the update! Interesting to hear that DG addressed the issue, maybe they asked Dunnigan for his original intent.

I knew Bill would find a way to cheat!!!

@@dclarsen01 lol

I dont think I was my own with that little mistake

@@CurmudgeonswithDice we call that response "deflection".

The heat of battle means we sometimes miss the obvious rules!

@@CurmudgeonswithDice, yep, I know what you mean. I keep thinking Cavalry should be halved attacking out of a Forest hex, but they aren't!