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Absolutely that is an option. I would argue that in fact your chest ascender, when loaded on a vertical rope in full suspension, is a full point. Often instructors teach that the chest ascender and hand ascender are half a point each...this is a teaching tool for beginners so that they don't forget their hand ascender when moving on ropes diagonally and running the risk of rolling out the chest ascender if rope is pulled through. I challenge you to accidentally remove the chest ascender when statically loaded vertically. In my humble opinion, the hand ascender is an assist to the chest ascender, which is your main full point of connection. There are different perspectives on this so I appreciate your comment, but in my opinion there is no such thing as "half a point" you're either connected safely or you're not. No two pieces of equipment do the job of one, if that makes sense.

@Pacificropes I appreciate your response and absolutely see your point (2 pieces of equipment doing 1 job). As you noted, I just received my SPRAT level 1 cert the first week of September, so the "half point of connection" is fresh in my mind. Again, be safe, my friend!

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it (:

ALWAYS follow the direction of your current training center! haha these videos are meant to help with concepts and offer some solutions but every training center has methods they like and methods they don't. If you want to practice these methods stop in for an Open Gym here and we'll help expand your arsenal, there is not ONE correct way to do it.

🙏many thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!

Thank you so much! Glad you're stoked on them hopefully we'll get some more out for you soon!! Let us know if there's anything specific you'd like to see!

@@Pacificropes every vertical activity is almost infinite; thanks for answering 🪢

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Thanks Emerson! The music is always hit or miss with people haha glad you enjoy it! (:

Hey Jim, this is actually an old one shot at our old facility in Richmond, but we are now located in Burnaby BC!

I should mention we have a location in Edmonton as well! (;

The purpose is to combat rope stretch; if you've got a bunch of rope above your casualty the rope that is being stretched with their weight, it will recoil when the casualty is removed from the rope...if you're using the hand ascender attached to a cowstail to perform the pick that hand ascender will recoil with the rope and potentially hang you up. Once transferred to the descender, you can remove the hand ascender and as you lower the casualty onto you (the rescuer) the rope stretch will be lowered out with nothing obstructing it. Hope that makes sense!

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Excellent advice! Pinning this comment!

Care to elaborate?

Agreed! Nothing is ever going to be a fix-all ONLY WAY solution...that kind of thinking is dangerous and limiting! Glad you like the videos man! Would love to hear more feedback! 🤘

Nice one Simon! Yeah we wanted to mix it up for this one as we essentially demonstrate the method you describe in the Large Re-anchor rescue video! For both of those rescues it's handy to have as many possible tools in your arsenal as it can be such a different situation depending on environment and where your casualty is situated!

Thanks Simon!!

Thank you sir!!

To me this is the best rigging in rope access, when ever I rig I always think rig to rescue 😊

Yes, you are correct. The pick sling for casualty management was placed over the loop, easily removed and re-installed. Had they been the main points of connection to the casualty it would be a much more difficult mistake to fix. This has been noted haha good eye! (:

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Thanks Barry!!👊

Thanks!

Cheating or smart? Cows tail works if you want to pick him off it again, if you have the tools use them!

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Posso definitivamente apreciar a preocupação de me apegar à vítima enquanto ainda estou no ascensor torácico. É importante não colocar uma carga de choque potencial no sistema, mas quando carregado estaticamente assim, não fico tão preocupado. Obrigado por compartilhar sua perspectiva! Definitivamente, é algo para se ter muito cuidado ao trabalhar com dispositivos dentados.

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Glad it was helpful!

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Thanks! He knew he was in the great hands of our training manager Josh, and had nothing to worry about but lunch!!

Hello! You can visit our shop at shop.pacificropes.com or email us at equipment@pacificropes.com for a list. Thanks!

😅 at least you made it to the ground!

Hey there! If you can come to Vancouver BC, Canada to check us out we'd be happy to accommodate training for you! Alternatively you can use this link to locate an IRATA Training Centre anywhere in the world! irata.org/course_venue_map

No problem 👍 Thanks for watching!

Glad it was helpful!

Look forward to seeing your video showing this method!

Thanks for the comment! There's a lot to unpack here. Training providers are here to show foundational skills that when mastered can be applied in different situations on site. This is where planning and management should take over. If you're 200' below a casualty mid rope to rope transfer, hopefully the consideration for rescue is not to climb up from the ground. This is also why we talk about rope management very heavily with level 1s. It's not just to make the maneuvers themselves easier, but to ensure that rescue can be prompt and clean. It is the responsibility of operating companies and Level 3 technicians to plan and manage their sites accordingly. I hear from a lot of people that the training doesn't cover enough of what you encounter on site; this is why we build these training centres with different structure types, but they are all micro versions of what you encounter out in the world. The responsibility of training providers is to build foundational skills and muscle memory; we can't be responsible for your job plans and rescue plans in unique sites and environments. We do our best to offer different methods and perspectives, but your training needs to continue on sites, between re-certifications, and for each individual job. If you have concerns on site you can always reach out to training providers for tips and tricks and ideas for prompt rescue, but as far as instructional videos go, it is very difficult to create every tangled scenario and demonstrate clear methods for worst case situations (as you say, they won't apply in every situation). Use your foundational skills and brain power to come up with good access methods and prompt rescue plans. Stay safe out there and feel free to reach out with any specific issues you're running into on site. We love questions and helping people design the best systems while they're out there! Hope this helps!

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