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Thank you Shankar

The answer is quite near the end... Would have worked better on a shorter video... Learning 🤗

Right on, this was one of the very first videos... style is definitely changing. thanks for the feedback.

Indeed 😊👍

Thank you :)

Thanks a ton!

Yes, 2 devices per guest on YC cabin, even our kids get wifi on their devices.

Thanks, as any other, got it's plus and it's downs 🙂 and the good thing is that it is a process of continuous improvement.

@@Alexafter50 There pros and cos to every thing the MSc yacht club it was very nice

Thanks, this makes it good for booking as far off in advance as possible ☺️

Glad you liked it, appreciate the feedback

@@Alexafter50 you’re welcome 😊

Love it. Definitely, I had boxes I packed and moved through 3 or 4 relocations without even opening them. What a waste of resources for things I definitely did not need. A garage sale is awesome to declutter and get some money at the same time.

It is indeed a smart choice with more freedom

Hope it helps, thanks to this strategy I was able to retire earlier and enjoy the time it has brought me.

Yes, we can speculate a lot. That is something we will never know, the privacy itself will keep that information away.

Indeed. But one thing is filming for yourself to create memories that stay within the realm of our families. Another is for making these public. TV channels and media outlets adhere to rules and procedures, unfortunately many TH-camrs do not, maybe they don't care or genuinely don't know, I think the later since these are usually grown from a side hustle with corporate backgrounds.

Thanks Larry. Normally, people can go and film, themselves and create memories. And this is done with our day to day phones or cameras. What I believe happened, and the agreement that B&D reached with MSC confirms it, is that this was about privacy. What happened, as I tried to reconstruct a timeline, is that B&D went filming about, and at a certain moment, in the YC, a guest noticed them because of the equipment. Particularly the camera with stabilizer. If they were filming with phones it would not have been noticed. After a complain by the guest Is issued, and when MSC acts, finds out they are TH-camrs and have not requested authorization to film or register themselves at the desk mentioning they are TH-camrs. That then escalates, and agree, MSC conversation with B&D must not have been a pleasant one. I don't like to have a conversation with anyone from security, these are just like talking to walls. TV channels and media outlets have procedures for filming on board, and TH-camrs need to follow those rules, problem is that TH-camrs usually grow from side hustles and don't know this, think it's just like a normal person filming. Now the good part comes with the agreement reached between B&D and MSC, they get into the policy making for TH-camrs. This will allow to make these regulations known and probably be adapted to be more light for TH-camrs (to not risk buying the tickets and not being authorized). It is a win/win. This is good for B&D, for MSC, and will have a positive impact for all TH-camrs as well as for all cruise lines of done properly and the best while maintaining privacy of the customers. I am happy with the result l.

@@Alexafter50 First, thank you for your response. You have listed several points that have recently come to our attention. I am glad that B&D has come to a resolution after this unfortunate event. It seems that someone in the MSC management had the common sense that the onboard team was lacking. I don’t wish to be argumentative, so I will say this once and be done with it. The explanation MSC gave, and that reported in your response, may not be totally accurate. Admittedly, I only have B&D’s side of the story since I was not present. Their later agreement with MSC may not have emphasized their original complaints since, by that time, they recognized MSC was attempting to make amends. I have been involved in conflict resolutions, and sometimes, it is more prudent to ignore certain negative details to resolve the issues. You are correct; MSC Cruises has specific policies regarding filming onboard their cruise ships. Here are some key points: Filming Permissions: Passengers can generally film or record video on board without prior authorization from MSC Cruises. Exceptions for Influencers: In some cases, MSC Cruises may collaborate with influencers, bloggers, or content creators. These individuals might be granted permission to film on board in exchange for promoting the cruise line. However, this arrangement typically involves a free cruise and positive coverage of that experience. In other words, positive views about MSC are welcome but not necessarily negative ones. You mentioned that B&D did not register when they came on board. You further said that TV channels and media outlets have procedures for filming on board. I don’t view TH-cam influencers as a media outlet. A search using CoPilot agrees with my view, and I quote, “TH-cam influencers occupy a distinct space in the digital landscape, and their role differs from that of traditional media outlets.” But let's agree that they must register after boarding the ship. They spent several days filming, and no one questioned them. Also, the excuse that someone had objected to B&D filming doesn’t smell right since numerous crew members approached them, complimenting their equipment and inquiring if they had a TH-cam channel, and if so, what was it? Only after management had time to review their previous videos (which included the negative one about MSC) did they ask B&D to stop filming. Ahhh … but the plot thickens. B&D asked why they were to stop filming, and at no time did any of the MSC staff mention a privacy complaint. Yet, B&D did understand that this could be an issue with filming in the exclusive area they had booked and offered to continue filming on their iPhones and not do so in the restricted space. MSC refused to allow them to film any public space on the ship, even though it was obvious that all other passengers were allowed to do so. The bottom line is that MSC handled this incident very poorly, and to some minds, it was consistent with their reputation for poor customer service. They were not forthcoming with the actual reasons for shutting down B&D, and now they are back-pedaling and may even be disingenuous with a version of what happened. I agree with your view about being happy with the results. Still, I am compelled to report that MSC was somewhat forced to negotiate with B&D, as it is evident that MSC was brought kicking and screaming to the negotiation table. That is my view, but I will admit that I may not have all the facts. Again, I am taking B&D's word. Larry from Texas

It is simple to validate, just check the agreement that B&D reached with MSC. It is all about working on policies for TH-camrs for increased comfort and privacy of passengers. B&D, despite good TH-camrs were not aware or didn't follow these. Things escalated to a very bad point, probably handled badly on both sides. I am happy with the outcome. With B&D working on the policy, which is in place for TV channels and other media, they become the solution and not the problem. Really good outcome as it will increase awareness in the TH-camr community. It is a real win/win.

Thank you, that is indeed what grabs the attention and creates discomfort. Then it just went downhill from that point. But I am glad with the outcome. I believe this will allow TH-camrs to get clarity on how to film and to film onboard, keeping them satisfied, and more importantly, focus on the comfort and privacy of vacationers.

Thank you very much for that critical additional piece of information. GDPR is extremely serious in EU, if this filming took place in a hospital or health care unit it would be way more explosive. Much appreciated for your knowledgeable input.

Thank you so much for your words and really correct view of the narrative control. Many TH-camrs grow from family vacation made profitable, and become professional at it as they grow the channels. However, the legal and admistrative gets left behind. B&D do a fantastic job filming and editing, that I fully support, but it is clear to me they do not understand the regulations and procedures of this venture in which they become successful. I believe the outcome is great, with B&D engaged in the policy they become the solution and not the problem. It should shed a light to all other TH-camrs that follow.

Thank you, looks like you have. Similar background as me, and are spot on. I myself, starting now my retirement journey this year, created this small channel as a side hustle. But having an IT Security background, Privacy and compliance are huge from my multi corporations professional background. Like you said, many TH-camrs are not aware of this. So believe the outcome is very positive, and this will generate visibility. MSC did a great job by making B&D be the solution instead of the problem.

@@Alexafter50 Congrats on the retirement journey. I have a little bit more time to go but if my plans hold up, I will be performing the same work in The Hague or large EU institution for a few more years. Cruise lines always reserve the right to decide who stays or goes on their ships and having a more consistent process of onboarding social media businesses is a win/win and removes the appearance of singling out a particular group based on a presumed bias.

All vloggers are, and many already do. As the size increases, the responsibility as well. This incident and the outcome resolution between B&D and MSC is a win/win as it allows for the TH-camrs to get visibility on these rules and protocols that they don't know off, just like TVs and media outlets have. If you check the channel "Tips for travellers", Gary Bembridge that comes from a corporate background, is sensible to these protocols. With B&D engaged with MSC in reviewing and setting policies, these will get more awareness. So really good outcome.

As I said, it is not good when two people you like don't get along. I believe that what happened and how the agreement was reached to be very good for both parties. They will learn from one another. MSC will learn to treat better TH-camrs, and TH-camrs will learn rules in place for filming and maybe even make it less bureaucratic.

I don't think so, negative reviews are good, allow for a company to learn. But the end result from their agreement is definitely a win/win for both. MSC can improve on the way they treat TH-camrs, and TH-camrs learn about filming procedures and regulations that TVs and other media outlets already follow. This will also be good for passengers in the future to get more privacy.

@Alexafter50 No. The staff kept asking about their channel and only after that did things get heated. They saw a previous very negative review and overreact. The story of the complaining customer is clearly an excuse to deflect their screw up.

@@LeePrice-r9u corporations are not people, but it doesn't matter what we think in the end. If you check the agreement, the main is get B&D engaged in policies for ensuring privacy for customers. Rules similar to those for TV and other media outlets. The outcome is a win/win, TH-camrs will get visibility to these rules and policies, and passengers will get more privacy in future. Really good outcome.

@Alexafter50 Correct corporations aren't people, but they are run by them. They haven't done this with other Vlogers on board that same ship. It was clearly retribution.

@@LeePrice-r9u correct, they are made by people and answer as per a collective, not with the passion of a single person. Other vloggers either don't know the applicable procedures and probably film with typical vacationer equipment (without the stabilizer and other gizmos) or know the rules and register either with HQ or with the cruise desk once onboard to know of any special circumstances they need to be aware. Clearly B&D did not know, but with this outcome they will get to know it and contribute to reduce some of the bureaucratic complications associated.

Thank you, much appreciated. The hints were there, and I love Ben and David, this result will make it better for all vloggers in future as well as for passengers. Really happy with the outcome.

Thanks for your view. If you notice the agreement, it is to leverage Ben and David to help create a vlogger policy to protect privacy of passengers. Basically indicating that vloggers don't follow one as I mentioned. So was a good opportunity to get one in place and get Ben and David to assist MSC on this. I believe it went right to what MSC wanted and B&D have taken that way. So win win for both parties, great, feel really happy with the result.

@@Alexafter50 B&D should avoid MSC like the plague in future. Like others have said, for every good review there are dozens of bad ones. And any cruise line that like to overcrowd their ships and have folk queue all day long, isn't thinking much about its passengers.

@@jabbathehut656😄 agree that MSC outside the Yacht Club is not a company I like to cruise with. Yacht Club is definitely a good product and B&S noticed it, they will try it because of FOMO (Fear of Missing Out). Curiously enough regular MSC on smaller ships without YC is better. But we all have our demons, mine is NCL.

Even in the US there are some places where it is required. Health is an area as well as Banking and Finances.

This "privacy" ridiculousness isn't even the law in Europe. World wide, if a person is in a public space, then they are free and open to be photographed and recorded without their prior permission and the photographer owns that image to do with as they want. No matter where we are in the world, outside of our own home, we are being recorded by video surveillance and the owner of that video surveillance is free to give or sell or post that clip of video surveillance on the internet. MSC has vide surveillance on all of the balcony's, in the hallways as soon as we leave our cabin and in every public or common space. There is literally thousands of images posted on the internet, from within the MSC Y.C.

@@ruthmauel3195 it is known as GDPR: General Data Protection Regulation.

I believe this to be a cascade of events that happened that led to this situation: 1) A VIP noticed B&D with the equipment with stabilizers filming (camera can be seen in B&D video at minute 8:41) , and concerned that whatever he wants to protect within the realm of his privacy made a complain to the YC desk. If this filming had started with just the iphone filming, it would probably not get noticed, it is not a matter that the size matters for the regulations. I doubt the VIP even knew who B&D were. 2) MSC once having received the formal complain, particularly regarding the privacy, needs to take action or be subject to a fine of 4% of their global revenue turnover. 3) MSC Staff must have checked to see if B&D were authorized by HQ to film or have registered said information at the desk, looks like neither. 4) YC staff queried to B&D and discovered they have a very public channel with 240K+ subscribers, that makes it highly probably that privacy would be a huge issue. 5) MSC staff approached B&D giving the information that they could not film, because of privacy they could not give a name or indicated who requested because that would violate said privacy, and B&D probably didn't accept the vague statement on privacy, this escalated and generated a deadlock. 6) B&D assumed it was censorship because of past negative reviews, and this is where I don't think so.

I believe this to be a cascade of events that happened that led to this situation: 1) A VIP noticed B&D with the equipment with stabilizers filming (camera can be seen in B&D video at minute 8:41) , and concerned that whatever he wants to protect within the realm of his privacy made a complain to the YC desk. If this filming had started with just the iphone filming, it would probably not get noticed, it is not a matter that the size matters for the regulations. I doubt the VIP even knew who B&D were. 2) MSC once having received the formal complain, particularly regarding the privacy, needs to take action or be subject to a fine of 4% of their global revenue turnover. 3) MSC Staff must have checked to see if B&D were authorized by HQ to film or have registered said information at the desk, looks like neither. 4) YC staff queried to B&D and discovered they have a very public channel with 240K+ subscribers, that makes it highly probably that privacy would be a huge issue. 5) MSC staff approached B&D giving the information that they could not film, because of privacy they could not give a name or indicated who requested because that would violate said privacy, and B&D probably didn't accept the vague statement on privacy, this escalated and generated a deadlock. 6) B&D assumed it was censorship because of past negative reviews, and this is where I don't think so.

@@Alexafter50who asked you to say all of this? Have MSC given you an overview of their position? This could have been written by MSC directly. You do realise that right?

Well@@jabbathehut656 , I am not MSC and have nothing to do with MSC. But I do like to think by myself and not simply follow the crowd. Despite me being a follower/subscriber of B&D, and with the wise words of Adam Grant, a Sociologist I like to read, he states: "Being a loyal follower is not about pledging allegiance to a leader. it's about committing to a worthy mission and values. When a leader jeopardizes the mission or violates values, good followers challenge them. Failing to engage in principled dissent is a dereliction of duty."

Yes, agree 100 percent with you. That is why I believe it somehow got into an escalation that no one can now back from. And to be honest, the last people I would want to have to deal on a cruise ship with be security. Had a complication once with a cruise card not having a photo, and the security did not allow me to board. Fortunately had the butler that called the YC Director that came personally to the entrance to escort me to take a photo and make a new cruise card. Really no good, though it got sorted out.

True, wouldn't be surprised if this gets to CLIA level given the visibility, and multiple cruise companies start taking measures and cracking down on youtubers. Remember seeing multiple videos on Air India's most recent airbus, looks like the first flight was full with just youtubers. We could see in the images of every single youtuber, other youtubers in the background doing their clips. Eventually some cruise companies are doing the pre-inaugural cruise with booking agents and vloggers to get that out of the way, and then doing with just regular passengers from that moment on. Getting footage with children is particularly complicated, particularly when playing by the pool or getting ice cream at the pool bar and such.

@@Alexafter50 Exactly, those usually young people are recording everybody in the background when they use a cell phone. People who use proper recording equipment such as a big camera and put the camera up to their eye orbit, are making a point to record only the subject and to properly frame up the subject matter. It isn't the big equipment that captures the most people by courteous and detailed youtubers, it is the people who use cell phones on a selfie stick that capture the most people in the background. It isn't a bunch of detailed youtubers who are the problem, but rather the narcissists who need to be constantly recording themselves and that includes people who are far too involved with their own looks than caring about others.

​@Alexafter50 I've read the offer of apology and full refund by MSC, and I agree with that. I am, however, unsettled by the offer to have Ben and David help to create some sort of rules concerning filming? First off, isn't it convenient that they are essentially going to help create rules for themselves? Must be nice. However, more importantly, I'm bothered by the offer because it feels like a first step that makes Ben and David begin to seem bigger than the cruise lines themselves. I'm not arguing that it's a forgone conclusion it would happen, but to ignore the implications would be foolhardy as well.

@@RedNekLvr22 the rules are already in place, and TV channels and other media outlets have to follow them. With this, the rules are adapted and made clearer to Ben and David and other TH-camrs. It is in fact a Win/Win.

@@ruthmauel3195 as with all things, it is not black and white.

Privacy is not a privilege of just high rollers, it is a right of everyone. It can be as simple as a family with kids that don't wont their kids or themselves caught on camera, even by accident and not intentionally. Could be the Mayor of Como, a casino player from Lichtenstein, an actress from Antwerp. These would be unknown to B&D, and also would not know who B&D are. I think this a lessons learned for everyone, protocols for media outlets are in place, youtubers should not be above those protocols, especially when they grow to a size such as to what B&D have grown. What starts as a side hustle and grows to such size, should understand the increased responsibility of such channels.

@@Alexafter50 The law is that so long as a person or family is in a public or common space, they do not have any rights to their image being recorded. If a person or family doesn't want to be photographed or recorded, then don't leave their own home or don't leave their cabin and for goodness sakes, don't board a ship with 5,000 to 6,000 passengers and 2,000 staff with every one of them having a cell phone with a camera in their pocket.

Sorry but cruise line handled the situation in the worst way possible. Apparently, MSC has since apologized, refunded their cruise fare, and invited them to participate in formulating policies that protect privacy while allowing vloggers to vlog, etc.

That is good news@@cynthiaivers1708

Honestly, I believe the discussion must have escalated onboard to a point which neither was able to come to an agreement point. it is unfortunate, love them both.

Yes, and eventually, given the visibility this will escalate. As part of the European laws, even the non European cruise companies have to oblige by the privacy law (it is called GDPR) if they carry passengers with European passports. Usually this will come to enforcement the first time a company gets hit. And knowing the laws, and loving both Ben and David as well as MSC Yacht Club, made me look into this with a neutral perspective as much as I could. Which made me query on rules for filming on board and the protocols TV channels and other media outlets have to oblige when doing such filming. It is indeed complex, and youtubers should be made aware, particularly when they get to a dimension in which they are bigger than local tv channels.

Michel, you just heard one side of the story, the one that controlled the narrative. You heard from Ben and David. To me, in their video, they came across as entitled brats. To me, they came across as they were there to do a job. There are 6000 people on that ship, probably 750 in YC. They are not there for a job, they are there for a vacation. Remember, in their video, we got no video but some audio of a conversation with the staff. Where is the rest? Where is the bad behavior by MSC, whether it be on audio or video? All we have is Ben and David telling us that it happened. YC is awesome. As a person who has spent time there and has a motto of YC4Life I fully understand and comprehend why a passenger would be irritated. I fully understand why MSC did what they did. Replace MSC with Cunard, or Windstar or any other cruise line and ask yourself, if someone complained to customer service that someone had a commercial looking filming device and they felt that their privacy is being invaded how would they handle it? To me, I suspect that the cruise line would not look at this as one passenger against another passenger, but one passenger against the rest of the passengers.

@@davidbergerson thank you. I do believe the outcome is a good one and will make TH-camrs more aware. I would not be surprised if this goes to CLIA level or to all the major cruising lines making it more clear for TH-camrs for future just like it happens with TV channels and other media outlets.

thanks, fair point, and maybe i should have made a video with a timeline of events :) I believe this to be a cascade of events that happened that led to this situation: 1) A VIP noticed B&D with the equipment with stabilizers filming, and concerned that whatever he wants to protect within the realm of his privacy made a complain to the YC desk. If this filming had started with just the iphone filming, it would probably not get noticed, it is not a matter that the size matters for the regulations. I doubt the VIP even knew who B&D were. 2) MSC once having received the formal complain, particularly regarding the privacy, needs to take action or be subject to a fine of 4% of their global revenue turnover. 3) MSC Staff must have checked to see if B&D were authorized by HQ to film or have registered said information at the desk, looks like neither. 4) YC staff queried to B&D and discovered they have a very public channel with 240K+ subscribers, that makes it highly probably that privacy would be a huge issue. 5) MSC staff approached B&D giving the information that they could not film, because of privacy they could not give a name or indicated who requested because that would violate said privacy, and B&D probably didn't accept the vague statement on privacy, this escalated and generated a deadlock. 6) B&D assumed it was censorship because of past negative reviews, and this is where I don't think so. Regarding the fine, it would not just be 20 million for B&D, MSC would get a 4% fine as well if they did not act, this is a pretty hefty fine.

@@Alexafter50 If that so-called VIP didn't want to have their image captured by any camera, whether it be with a $5,000.00 camera or a $1,000.00 cell phone, then don't board a ship with 5,000 to 6,000 passengers and 2,000 staff and don't be sitting in public space on a public ship. Is the question about the size of the camera or that a $10.00 disposable camera can capture an image just the same as a $10,000.00 can? Is the question here that a $10.00 disposable camera is OK to use but a $1,000.00 or a $5,000.00 or a $10,000.00 camera isn't OK to use? Why was EVERYBODY else on the ship allowed to continue to take photo's and recordings, including other vloggers with expensive equipment on a tripod while only Ben and David not allowed to take any recording with any device? The biggest piece of recording equipment that is widely accepted is a cell phone camera attached to a 2' long selfie stick that is being held by a 2' long outstretched arm, thereby making 4' long of equipment and that is far more obtrusive than any professional photographer is with a long lens, a tripod or monopod and a stabilizer for their camera. Thank you.

@@ruthmauel3195 thanks, but it doesn't matter if it is a ship, a shopping mall, a crowded street. Privacy is a right.

It is not the way of how they treat elite passengers. it is the way they treat media outlets, and most probably B&D did not follow the media outlet protocols. This has been a lessons learned for me.

Very well said!😊

Correct. and as these laws come into play, it needs to be fine tuned. But also the understanding that vloggers are probably in the same category of TV channels or other media outlets, this to imply that there are protocols for filming that are already in play for TV channels with the cruise companies. I feel that because people start TH-cam channels as a side hustle, they never really professionalize (administrative and bureaucracy) as the channels grow.

A VIP noticed B&D with the equipment with stabilizers filming, and concerned that whatever he wants to protect within the realm of his privacy made a complain to the YC desk. If this filming had started with just the iphone filming, it would probably not get noticed, it is not a matter that the size matters for the regulations. I doubt the VIP even knew who B&D were.

@@Alexafter50 No matter what or how you put it, it was handled in a very rude manner!! But, nonetheless, you cannot deny that they were targeted. MSC are notorious for treating guests badly and this incident is no exception

agree@@denisegeorgiades2887 , discussions and escalations of discussions are always difficult to handle. I had very difficult discussions with MSC, the place I found to be able to solve the most complex of situations was with the YC Director. We just need to try both to meet somewhere in the middle.

I know you do not know how GDPR works and the applicable treatments based on an individual, business, or private venue (which the cruise ship falls under). For example if an individual (not a business) is running around the ship looking for D-list celebrities to record, MSC can tell them to stop recording with any camera while on the ship. There is no legal right to be able to record inside a private business. Other individuals may be allowed to record D-listers as long as no one objects.

@@chrispnw2547 thank you. It is indeed extremely important and serious.

Been on MSC Yacht club a few times, with plenty of gay couples, everyone gets well treated. My belief is that A VIP noticed B&D with the equipment with stabilizers filming, and concerned that whatever he wants to protect within the realm of his privacy made a complain to the YC desk. Potentially a political figure that is gay and wanted to keep that private from the public eyes. We will never know who made the complain.

Might be. Just that their equipment calls attention more than those filming just with phones. If a VIP wanting privacy is onboard, they would notice and target Ben and David. After all, it only happened as they were filming in the Yacht Club area. Anyway, we will never know who the VIP was, privacy protects him even to the detriment of MSC.

@@Alexafter50 And what's to stop anyone ELSE from filming since they were the only one targeted? How many content creators cruise for a job and film ALL THE TIME? B&D were asked about their channel, found negative reviews previously (about this same issue) and banned just them. IF THEY WERE VIOLATING THEN ALL CONTENT CREATORS SHOULD BE. They were TARGETED. its AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

@@aandjmom1 just check the agreement B&D reached with MSC. It is all focused on getting a policy to protect the privacy of the customers. While educating it's people on handling it. So a win/win for MSC and B&D. Clearly B&D were not aware of the privacy policies, and by making them part of the solution they will get to educate themselves and are vloggers. This is really awesome, since as I mention in the video, the basic problem is the lack of knowledge of vloggers on policies that TV and other media outlets need to follow. This way, privacy gets respected, B&D become part of the solution instead of part of the problem. This is really awesome, really happy for this.

It is the obligation of the guest to DISCLOSE to the cruise line if they represent a business and would like to record on premises during their stay. While some are more straightforward and transparent about their business status others are not. I believe the purchase of travel should capture if the individuals represent a business and would like to record for business purposes as those responses will inform the cruise line of potential GDPR concerns. MSC should have handled it better but once the staff became aware of the channel and business intent, the cruise line has to act in accordance with GDPR obligations.

@@chrispnw2547 thank you. I believe we have a positive outcome with the agreement between B&D and MSC, it will allow for rules to be more aware and clear for TH-camrs in general. Many TH-camrs start as a side hustle and has they become bigger are not aware of these implications. Others with corporate backgrounds tend to be more conscious and register with the cruise ship, either formally or informally.

Agree, believe they did not handle it correctly. Probably it escalated to a situation in which neither could back without saving face or something. All discussions should be civil, so far, always managed to get past very thought situations with MSC, and always manage in worst cases to address it with the Yacht Club director. Outside YC is indeed more difficult.

Thank you for your candid feedback. I enjoy immensely watching Ben and David. On this point I don't think they are saying the full story. Just because I like them, doesn't mean I can't think for myself. But thank you.

Yes, I agree there. The heat must have gone up and both got into a no diffusion situation.