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Project Noon is a forum dedicated to improving Hindu-Muslim mutual understanding through philosophical, theological, as well as faith-based engagements. Engaging leading scholars and academics on Indic, Hindu and Muslim, traditions through extended podcasts, in-depth essays, reviews, webinars and workshops.
'Vijnana Vedanta: The Theology of Sri Ramakrishna' with Swami Medhananda
In this conversation, we discuss Swami Medhananda’s milestone publication on Sri Ramakrishna Paramahansa which brings the thought of this esteemed saint in conversation with debates in the Western philosophy of religion.
We discuss how what can be termed Sri Ramakrishna’s ‘Vijnana Vedanta’ differs from the other schools of Vedanta such as Advaita, Vishishtadvaita, and Dvaita. Swami Medhananda shows how this view sees God as the Infinite Reality that is simultaneously both personal and impersonal, with and without form, immanent in the universe and beyond it. We discuss what the fact of the ‘Infinitude of God’ entails for discussions on idolatry, and how iconoclasm may itself turn out to be its own kind of conceptual idolatry. Finally, we sketch out Sri Ramakrishna’s views on the diversity of religions, and how his model of pluralism offers a fresh alternative to both the relativizing tendencies of constructivism on the one hand, and the generalizing tendencies of perennialism on the other.
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Swami Medhananda is a monk of the Ramakrishna Order and an academic philosopher, currently serving as Senior Research Fellow in Philosophy at the Vedanta Society of Southern California in Hollywood. He is also the Hindu Chaplain at both UCLA and the University of Southern California. He is Section Editor for the International Journal of Hindu Studies (Springer), overseeing submissions in Hindu and Cross-Cultural Philosophy of Religion. From 2010 to 2021, he was Associate Professor and Head of the Program in Philosophy at the Ramakrishna Mission Vivekananda Educational and Research Institute in Belur Math, West Bengal. He received his PhD in 2009 from the University of California at Berkeley, where he specialized in German aesthetics. He was also a Fulbright Scholar at the Humboldt-Universität zu Berlin (2006-7) and a Visiting Student at Oxford University (2000-1). His current research focuses on global philosophy of religion, the epistemology of mystical experience, cosmopsychism, Indian scriptural hermeneutics, and Vedāntic philosophical traditions, especially the philosophies of Sri Ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, and Sri Aurobindo.
He is the author of three books: Swami Vivekananda’s Vedāntic Cosmopolitanism (Oxford University Press, 2022), Infinite Paths to Infinite Reality: Sri Ramakrishna and Cross-Cultural Philosophy of Religion (Oxford University Press, 2018), and The Dialectics of Aesthetic Agency: Revaluating German Aesthetics from Kant to Adorno (Bloomsbury, 2013). He is the editor of The Bloomsbury Research Handbook of Vedānta (2020) and co-editor, with Benedikt Paul Göcke, of Panentheism in Indian and Western Thought: Cosmopolitan Interventions (Routledge, 2023). He is also the editor of two special issues of the International Journal of Hindu Studies, one on “Swami Vivekananda as a Cosmopolitan Thinker” (2023) and one on “Vedāntic Theodicies” (2021). He has published over thirty articles in leading academic journals.
He is currently working on two book projects: Karma and Rebirth in Hinduism (Cambridge University Press, under contract) and An All-Embracing Oneness: Sri Aurobindo’s Integral Advaita and the Legacy of Sri Ramakrishna (Oxford University Press, under contract).
We discuss how what can be termed Sri Ramakrishna’s ‘Vijnana Vedanta’ differs from the other schools of Vedanta such as Advaita, Vishishtadvaita, and Dvaita. Swami Medhananda shows how this view sees God as the Infinite Reality that is simultaneously both personal and impersonal, with and without form, immanent in the universe and beyond it. We discuss what the fact of the ‘Infinitude of God’ entails for discussions on idolatry, and how iconoclasm may itself turn out to be its own kind of conceptual idolatry. Finally, we sketch out Sri Ramakrishna’s views on the diversity of religions, and how his model of pluralism offers a fresh alternative to both the relativizing tendencies of constructivism on the one hand, and the generalizing tendencies of perennialism on the other.
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Swami Medhananda is a monk of the Ramakrishna Order and an academic philosopher, currently serving as Senior Research Fellow in Philosophy at the Vedanta Society of Southern California in Hollywood. He is also the Hindu Chaplain at both UCLA and the University of Southern California. He is Section Editor for the International Journal of Hindu Studies (Springer), overseeing submissions in Hindu and Cross-Cultural Philosophy of Religion. From 2010 to 2021, he was Associate Professor and Head of the Program in Philosophy at the Ramakrishna Mission Vivekananda Educational and Research Institute in Belur Math, West Bengal. He received his PhD in 2009 from the University of California at Berkeley, where he specialized in German aesthetics. He was also a Fulbright Scholar at the Humboldt-Universität zu Berlin (2006-7) and a Visiting Student at Oxford University (2000-1). His current research focuses on global philosophy of religion, the epistemology of mystical experience, cosmopsychism, Indian scriptural hermeneutics, and Vedāntic philosophical traditions, especially the philosophies of Sri Ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, and Sri Aurobindo.
He is the author of three books: Swami Vivekananda’s Vedāntic Cosmopolitanism (Oxford University Press, 2022), Infinite Paths to Infinite Reality: Sri Ramakrishna and Cross-Cultural Philosophy of Religion (Oxford University Press, 2018), and The Dialectics of Aesthetic Agency: Revaluating German Aesthetics from Kant to Adorno (Bloomsbury, 2013). He is the editor of The Bloomsbury Research Handbook of Vedānta (2020) and co-editor, with Benedikt Paul Göcke, of Panentheism in Indian and Western Thought: Cosmopolitan Interventions (Routledge, 2023). He is also the editor of two special issues of the International Journal of Hindu Studies, one on “Swami Vivekananda as a Cosmopolitan Thinker” (2023) and one on “Vedāntic Theodicies” (2021). He has published over thirty articles in leading academic journals.
He is currently working on two book projects: Karma and Rebirth in Hinduism (Cambridge University Press, under contract) and An All-Embracing Oneness: Sri Aurobindo’s Integral Advaita and the Legacy of Sri Ramakrishna (Oxford University Press, under contract).
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To see the universe in a grain of sand and the divine in a child is the beauty and fun of being human.
All the very best brother. May the Lord shower grace on these discussions, and more and more people watch and be touched by God. Thank you.
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Very informative interview with a profound scholar of the Ramakrishna Order. Perhaps we can expect the Advaita Master Swami Sarvapriyananda from New York Vedanta Society in the future, God Willing.
Is that similar to the technique of active imagination that Henry corbin describes ?
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Are you true perennialists? You are criticising Schuon of trying to create an ideology, but your criticism follows exactly the guidelines of an ideology, namely the “political correctness” of modernity. Attributing to Schuon racism, antisemitism and misogyny is ridiculous. Besides his stating clearly in his books that there is no superior race, Schuon was adopted by the Sioux tribe and received an Indian name, which a “racist promoting the Aryan race” as you say, would never do. Nowhere in his books can we find statements against the Jews. How can you accuse him of antisemitism? Schuon a misogynist? Are you serious? His veneration for the divine feminine is obvious in his books where he also makes clear that the male gender is not superior to the female in fact, even though traditionally masculinity represents the spirit and femininity the soul (within the human), and the spirit is superior to the soul. As for his “wrong political views because he speaks in favour of kings and as we know from history there were not only good kings but also bad kings” as you say, if you read carefully you will see that he mentions that as well, namely the human abuses of monarchy as well as priesthood. But no true traditionalist, metaphysician and perennialist would discredit (due to human contingency) either of these institutions, because they are both God-given. Scriptural proof of this is in the Bible (Old Testament), and if you don’t accept its validity as equal to other holy scriptures, this is a sign of antisemitism from your part.
Zakir Naik ain't. Scholar.. he's good at polemics that's all
Yaaaay doing it yaaa doin it yaaa naughty naughty
Great video Muhammed Faruqe really understands the modern condition and how to bring it in to conversation with non modern thoughts. You are very good at following his train of thought and asking great questions. Have you come across the work of Bharatwaj Iyer? I think you should get him on the channel. Keep up the good work.
nice shirt, hassan khalil sahab, and beautiful discussion.
Nope۔ I consider myself Perennialist in the sense that Quran requires or commands me to be, i.e. to believe in all prophets, messengers and books and that theres never been a single nation to whom Allah SWT didnt send His guidance but Nasr is seems to be struggling or perhaps even forcing to reconcile Iconic Hinduism with Islam. The spiritual or metaphysical aspects of Islam and Hinduism, as is prevalant today, can no doubt be easily reconciled inwardly but on a more literal and outwardly level Islamic Sharia / Law is irreconcilably clear about idol / icon worship. The Arabs of Jahiliya (pre Islamic) worshipped their idols just as a means to reach the God most High.
Brahman is not Allah. Brahman is part of creation. Allah is the Creator. Hinduism is an accretion of various belief systems . It is not one thing, you cant ever pin it down. It is your desires, not a revealed religion.
According to traditional Advaita-Vedanta, brahman is certainly not part of creation, nor is creation a part of brahman, since, strictly speaking, brahman has no "parts." Rather, creation is a temporal attribute of brahman from the vantage point of an intelligent creature (such as a human being).
Pleaaase! Prof sounds like a Perennialist! Hinduism is not one thing, its basic tenets have evolved over centuries as it came across monotheism. Sufism has indeed deviated from Islam and close to Hindu beliefs. Sorry ! But Hinduism is not a revealed religion, it is an accretion of many belief systems including animism. The Hindu God is part of creation, not so in Islam, there is a clear distinction between Creator and creation. Unfortunately Shabastri believed in Wahdat al wujud. Muhammad Iqbal has written a response to Shabastri’s Gulshan e Raaz. Hindu do worship idols. Yes Muslins do not pray to saints or the Prophet . It is not in the religion. Thee alone do we worship, and Thee alone do we seek help. Nasr should know the Hindus share Greek gods. God says in the Qur’an if He had wanted he would made all in the same faith. Nasr is clearly mistaken, he does not seem to realize that Hinduism is not a challenge to God, rather to Muslims. It is not a number game, as God says he will fill Gehenna with men and Jinn. None such thing as Indian sub continent. If Hindus don’t worship idols, then just break them, stop feeding them . There is more perniciousness in Hinduism related to severe misogyny and caste system as the most unequal society. 😂😂😂
Thank you so much. Blessings to you both.
Very dense and informative session, thanks a lot.
This is explaining away hinduism in service of islam. Idol is not just image it is God. That is how God is defined. Do not make my religion subservient to Islamic doctrines.
According to Perennialism , there is only one reality - God himself . All differences are ultimately illusory , so why would need anything from the “ outside “ ? What’s more , How could there be anything “ outside” if the Absolute is all inclusive ?
Sir, a formless entity can not be worshipped. A form is needed. It can be a word, it can be a book, it can be a set of candles,it can be a star ,it can be a crescent, it can be an empty box like structure.
Well, Allaah < Al-Ilaah is a definite noun that's representative of the Non-Physical Infinite Creator of all as opposed to His created physical Finite Aadam, the Finite representative of the symbolism of His creation in its entirety!
Sir, you have noble and laudable thoughts achieved through your extensive studies.Yet issues remain. One issue is formlessness of God. A formless entity can not be worshipped. A form has to be given like: a word ,a book, a symbol like star or menorah or scrolls , or a man made building. So formlessness is devoid of a meaning.
Discussion about Islam is an exercise in entrapment.
Zakir naik is a preacher, in context of dialog and discussion academic people are involved. however, I do not think Zaikir naik did something wrong, just as Hindu preachers do for their faith.
Thank you for bringing this heart and eye opening discussion. God bless your work.
What about another great thinker Sriman Madhwacharya's commentary on Bhagavadgita? Is it excluded with a purpose ?
Wonderful discussion. "The heavens and the earth cannot contain Me, but the heart of My believing servant contains Me" These sessions are simply invaluable. Thank you as always.
Facts of religion. Peace, patience, deeds here and salvation hereafter . Do good be away from bad deeds . There is life after death good ones are awarded and bad ones are punished . Recognise? Creator of this beautiful universe and be grateful to him.
Thats Karma from Sanatan, copied without comprehension, b'coz Karma is irrespective of religion, but According to !slam, Bad Momins will ultimately go to Jannat, Good Kaafirs will ultimately go to Jahannum, irrespective of their action.
@@aashish.purohit Bad momins will ultimately go to janath, any proof from Religious book, this is wrong. Good people of other faiths who have true love with their creator may go to heaven, I can give vreses of evidence from holy scripture. Thank you 🙏
@@khajazakirhussain9611 That's basic of Islam. Ask any Islamic Scholar, What is the biggest Sin & Crime? Even bigger then rape & murder (karma), I'm sure you will get one answer i.e. Shrik. BTW watch Zakir Naik, he clearly explain even those who are friendly with Muslims won't get Jannat b'coz they are not Muslim.
@@aashish.purohit This is not accurate, Aashish. Kindly go through this conversation on our channel, and let me know what you think. th-cam.com/video/iK1ekJjbIhA/w-d-xo.html
Where is Hindu Point of View form Practicing Hindu?
This is part of a larger series of engagements which also includes practicing Hindu scholars such as Arvind Sharma and Anantanand Rambachan. You may want to see our conversation with Prof. Sharma here, for example: th-cam.com/video/x0lhI-6wMZc/w-d-xo.html
@@projectnoonindia Instead, it would be more appropriate to have Rajiv Malhotra or Sai Deepak representing Hindus.
@@aashish.purohit Indeed, these are guests which we hope to have in the future. 🙏
Ramana Maharashi wrote many books, that was a huge error on the hosts even before the video started!!
Dr.Sayed Hossien Nasr Greatest livening Muslim philosopher if you guys get a chance please have look ❤
WHY do we need to explain it to others? Why do we have to die for recognition of west ? In fact more people worship idoles and ancestors. In China, Japan, whole Indochina worship idols. They know whom they are worshiping ,only fools think they are worshiping idols. We are always apologetic because of our colonised minds. Your bussiness is your my bussiness is mine. Leave us alone.
I have a tough time agreeing with the idea that there are many paths to the One. Because many paths don’t emphasize the self as the Self, and therefore focus on afterlife outside oneself. That can’t be aligned with Ramana’s teachings let alone Buddha’s.
The self is the self, in capitals or not. The Self is an imagination, a concept, and the self is a word. None of them is the real self. The real self is at the same time self and non-self. Now an honest and serious question: What are you talking about?
Surah Ibrahim talks about when Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) questioned the Quresh worshipping idols made from stones.
If I am right I can sense that this specifically trying hard to ignore the theological difference between Hinduism and islam by saying Hindus are specifically mention in quran/islam but the fact that idol worshipper and polytheism is mentioned every where in negative sense encapsulates not only Hinduism but also the tradition existed in Arabia during that time and then there are Buddhism and Jainism. And this negative idol worshippers and polytheism then displayed current discourse in present day islam. So it's very much theological and historical.
Always a pleasure to listen to the greatly knowledgeable Dr. Sutton.
Adi Shankara used dialogues and debates with philosophical opponents. He did not advocate converting and killing of people of other faiths, as Islamic leaders historically did. 🙏🏾🙏🏽🙏🏿
Islam is a religion of one final book and one final prophet. Hinduism is a religion of lakhs of sages and lakhs of books with many philosophies and practices. There are no final books in Hinduism. It is wrong to compare the two religions.
Exactly Hinduism is a mish mash of beliefs of different people mixed into one belief. God is not the author of such confusion.
Upanishads are last authority of Hinduism.
Brilliant as alway! Absolutely essential conversations 🙏
Riveting 👌
heartfelt appreciation for the incredible work you are doing. Your commitment to bridging the gap between Muslims and Hindus through philosophical understandings and your dedication to promoting unity, peace, and dialogue is truly commendable. The dialogues and discussions you engage in with eminent scholars, authors, and academia in this subject are not only enlightening but also have the potential to foster a deeper understanding and harmony between two diverse communities.👏🎓
Great illustration on the subject matter by Prof. Ankur Barua. If only, Dr Saad, you could challenge your guest more on his statement that 'the so called Hindu polytheism is a consequence of Divine Monotheism'. Monotheism is dualistic. May be he meant that the so called Hindu polytheism sprang from Pantheism or Panentheism but didn't want to frame the doctrinal position of Advaita Vedanta As such. Unless the term 'Divine Monotheism' is different from 'mere' Monotheism. Aside from that, great Interview! Image Worship in Hinduism was and still is at the heart of misunderstandings between the two communities.
Image Worship in Hinduism is problematic to abrahamic religions they cant understand it...
There is no misunderstanding, only problem is i see or i believe mine to be only true and others believes to be false, whether it is idolatry or ritualism kr monotheistic worship. As long as i don't see someone as separate from me, i don't have a problem. So the problem is with islam where it holds many key beliefs like "final revelation", "final prophet", "kaafir", "only truth", others are "false" and "receivers of gods punishment" or hell..... Etc
Tu Jake Islam Ka basic knowledge le Kar ay Linduchap 🤣 @@Ragnar638
@@Ragnar638ram Krishna shiva Brahma archeological evidence Kaha hey Linduchap 🤣
Mashallah! Sayyed Hossien Nasr is one of the greatest living Muslim philosopher and thinker of of our time. I have had the honor to read most of his books. His ideas and writings are flowing through much of the world. He is continuation of great thinkers, such as Jami, Mawlana Balkhi, Ibn Arabi, Ibn Sena and many other wonderful sages. May Allah gives him health and time to write more about Islam. With love and respect, Yunus From Kabul
Are you a Muslim?
Wonderful!
I really loved this interview. I read Shehab Ahmed's book, What is Islam? a few years ago, and I was spellbound by his brilliant insights. I should actually read it again. I really look forward to reading Prof. Fuerst's book too. Well done!
Fascinating discussion. However I dont think missionaries were targeting religions. They were targeting the weak points of religions - like the underclass. And also christians were not small a minority in the South before the Raj walked in.
They were targeting many. You should read Portuguese Catholics did with Hindus and Buddhists in Inquisitions in India and Sri Lanka. They write a lot of propaganda and atrocity literature to denigrate and vilify Indian society and religions...
To find that something greater, go within.
The prophet's message wasn't about monotheism but just about the injustice of pre Islamic Arabia? Mental gymnastics. May Allah hold you accountable for it.
7:30 rather weird Guenon takes letter ن and not letter ب, Basmallah and by extension the Holy Quran starts with ب, while both have the dot
How can we reconcile the Hindu doctrine of reincarnation with the realities of the afterlife in Islam?
you are fool.
@@lightgatha Explain. It’s a question i struggle with.
Heavens will be inhabited by mostly naive simple minded peope as per Hadith. These big talks and technicalities and philosophy does not carry much weight towards our journey to eternal world. Mr. Nasr did the Prophet SA used to keep such trimmed beard like you. So you dislike his way , isnt it ?
And also doesn't cover his head.
Man, stop being so judgmental and narrow minded. Allow yourself to be open minded and understand the depth of the world around us
Don't pay attention to external things. Pay attention to heart and intention.
Where is Bangladesh in your discussion. You touches east west , Karachi, India all. But where is Banglades which is the second largest muslim living country ? Why you guys always relegate Bangladesh ? Is it the true spirit of Islam. You utter big talks , bombastic words which general muslim have no interest at all. These are dubious and ambiguous talks. Islam is far away from these high talks .
Bangladesh have never played a vital role in history before the 7th century nor in islam, it was way too far away from the big players like the chinese, the arabs and the turks to matter that much.