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Yawn...the entertainment industry isn't a discreet sector of the economy. This is how most of the economy works.

The path forward is 1 Timothy 3:1-15; Before the passage of the 19th amendment, women didn’t speak or teaching the church, and church music was holy.

Tommy Walker does it for free. You can download the albums and other resources for free. Visit his website."

"Greed, greed, greed" the mantra of the American churches.

This whole narrative of yours if flawed. Nobody is selling anything here. Church is completely free to attend and worship and receive prayer and hear a message etc. The copyright is to pay a proceed to someone who owns that song and whose job is to write and produce music, it’s how songwriters get paid, whether it’s Christian or secular music. FYI Those artists are not charging people to listen to or worship using their song, but they do get paid from copyrights, like they should. And FYI you can play and use the songs all you want without paying copyrights, but you pay copyrights once you’re making money off the song. It’s perfectly legal to play the songs and even stream them as long as you don’t monetize them. The situation Jesus talked about in John 2 is equivalent to the church making the congregation pay to get in and hear the message, pay to worship, pay to receive prayer, pay for healing, and so on. Copyrights are not even remotely close to the same thing

Write and sing your own songs then

Well done. That “church” has become a business and “worship” has gone from a personal relationship with God to something you need guitars, drums, a keyboard or piano, and a license from Blackrock is QED for Matthew 23:15 continuing into the present day.

Beautiful girl and great message.

I like Mike Winger a lot, but I believe he is flat out wrong in what he said. A lot of pastors should be paid less and are setting their total annual earnings from the church too high and are doing so out of greed. This is not always the case, but often is. Explanation- I don’t disagree with a word of what he said in the standard can also be applied to the majority of the specific church body. But that’s not the case. Most congregations are full of people who cans afford a house and pay rent. So why should people who can’t afford homes pay for a pastor to make more than them and afford a house? Most home owners in the congregation can only afford a home off 2 incomes. So why should a pastor afford a home off only his income? This is deeply wrong. Most people don’t have a good retirement plan because they can’t afford to. Same principles apply… I believe that pastors should make the average income of their congregation which is often lacking. It should have nothing to do with property value of said place. Also I think it’s distasteful and disingenuous that this argument is placed on Mike W shoulders, because this is the mainstream argument voiced by almost all American pastors and purposely ignores the fact that the pastor is being paid more money than the majority of his congregation makes in a year. That is infact greed. I like Mike W and appreciate his ministry in spite of my disagreement on this subject, to be clear.

I totally agree. But I need to point out that is the cutest little girl ❤❤❤

Beautiful. Fully agree. I like it.

Shalom remanescentes espalhados nas quatro esquinas da terra saudações do Brasil 🇧🇷. Agradecido por ter colocado legenda em português. Que o Bondoso Pai Celestial lhe bendiga e faça prosperar seu caminho. Amen, amen!

Que precioso mensaje hermano, Dios te bendiga, bellísima Naomi.

The simplicity of the gospel is so beautiful and liberating! Shalom hermano!

Love this

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Discovered this channel a couple weeks ago and love the clarity it is giving to this issue. It was the sort of thing I never thought much about as a child, but always struck me as a bit peculiar. I really hope seminaries will reform themselves and make all their content free some day.

In the netherlands we have a exception in the law for church music.

Ah, stumbling upon a channel that takes position that I’ve moved towards for some time now. Stop charging for the Gospel!

My argument to people who say 'you shouldn't sing Hillsong and Bethel' has always been; If you pay CCLI AT ALL, you're paying Hillsong and Bethel anyway. CCLI and the entire system is broken. I don't know how to fix it...but it's broken. (PS. Still watching the video as I type this)

Christian artists should not be allowed to have copyrights. The songs belong to God and placing a burden on God's people is not good. On the other side, if they want to make music and charge for it and have big companies behind them, they should be forced out the church. Making money through record deals and concerts or even backing tracks.

I don't see a problem here. These artist labor full time to bring us songs and they should be paid for it. In a free market which is for free people can choose to pay or not to pay or play or not to play those songs. It is dishearting that a secular company owns and profits from it but they are just providing a service that a lot of other secular companies that provide its services to churchs. Any company such as lawncare or anything that has to do with keeping up a building to walmart that provides food for Sunday's potluck. However I do get your point.

Return to the ancient liturgical worship. Return to Orthodoxy.

I’m glad Jesus didn’t copy write the Lord’s Prayer

This is all really intriguing. I have a follow up question. Should seminaries also be free?

To my understanding, the great fault of modern churches outside of the Church of Jesus Christ, of Latter Day Saints, is that the entrepreneur/pastors of most churches are trying to build their kingdom, instead of following the true calling of building His Kingdom. And many of them may even be doing so before truly receiving the Pentecost experience of being truly born again by the Spirit.

It is great to discover y'all. A few years ago I joined the most Jesus following of churches, the Church of Jesus Christ, of Latter-day Saints. Our Church, as far as I know, adheres to the principle of freely received and freely given, and it, by doing so, has become one of the wealthiest churches in the world. God blesses those who truly follow Him. In my personal life, I do ministry all day every day, and hold no paying job, and God provides for my family's needs, extravagantly. This is surely the Way of Jesus.

Ok! got to a little over 5 minutes and realized that the "ministry" like the Bible Project exists and rapidly grows to the size it is, is why? Cause we live in 2025 and EVERYTHING IS DIGITAL? Or is the reason because of laziness. The recent popularity of Wess Huff and popular Pastors is prevalent because if you subscribe to all these YOU DON'T HAVE TO STUDY! Anyway! God bless!

There are ministries that do not charge for bible tracts, booklets, courses, etc such as Chapel Library in Pensacola, FL. Thank you for exposing this problem that hinders the Gospel message!

Sincere Q: at 23 minutes, the speaker talks of of practice of "for a gift if $25 dollars . . . " Because it would be a gift, a suggested donation, wouldn't that be acceptable? "If you would like to support what we do here at XYZ Ministry. . . " What's wrong with doing all the ministry, never blocking serving someone. Yet offering the free option to support the operations?

Cityalight publishes all of their charts for free in their website

Learning these new ideas. A question: 1. Would making a "suggested donation amount", being transparent about the associated costs to do something, be ok? Or does that get too close to a suggested retail price? 2. Struggling with ideas through things like setting a pastors wage. Can that pastor be honnest about his families costs that would be covered by a wage?

I bought the coffee cup.

Some valid points here but this conversation is way more nuanced than presented. So what do you say about publishing houses that make money from printing Bibles?? There has to be a large amount of money involved with this. Additionally, many translations/interpretations are very misleading and far from the original text. Also, hymnals are expensive. They also have copyrights and use clauses in them. Bottom line, whenever money becomes a part of ministry, the sinful nature in us almost always takes over. I do agree that secular businesses should not have any influence in Christian enterprises. The expose of CCLI is very troubling for me as a worship leader who has been using them for over a decade.

Goes In the pastor pocket

Surely Patreon is emulating a biblical model, rather than the western capitalistic model.

I thought your channel's name is a sarcasm, and that you'd critique people who sell Jesus. Turns out you are cheering people to sell Jesus for profit. Continue on your way, as you will find that Jesus Will say to you "I never knew you".

A few years ago Bible Project shared their funding philosophy. They gained my admiration. I've been a listener of BP for a long time! Whether "Christian" TH-camrs know it or not, adding "ads" to their content is akin to adding Babylon and the poison in that whore's golden cup to their stuff and they are polluting the whole thing. But most I suspect, if TH-cam took away their ability to make money, they would quit. So, the Babylon mix is no concern to them.

From listening to few videos of yours I am gathering "selling Jesus" is all types of fundraising using the message in the Bible as the product of sale. Forgive me if I am getting this message wrong. I always felt God's Word should not be sold! So when heard you addressing that, I felt assured what I have been thinking is correct. I watch a lot of Bible teachers on TH-cam that do teach sound doctrine, yet they all have their tier membership on TH-cam and Patreon. I am a person with menial financial means, so I am not able to afford any tier memberships. When I listen to all these teachers when they give the special classes, videos, teaching only for paid members, it makes me feel like you need to be of certain financial status to know God. It always felt wrong to me because Jesus didn't have "tiers" of access to Him... He welcomed EVERYONE equally! Patreon is a paid platform to watch the videos/programs you want to watch. My question to you Sir, is that, How is becoming a Patreon member to hear God's Word/Message considered Not Selling Jesus? I have not watched any of the Bible Project videos, but it seems they are collecting money through that platform to Fund their project. I may not quite understand perhaps what is considered "selling Jesus" So, taking money on Patreon to fund their shows is Not Selling Jesus? Is it only buying and selling books these so-called Bible teachers put out seeming to be the issue? Please don't regard my questions as some negative or disparaging comments. I genuinely want to know the answers to the questions above. After watching your video on "Simony" I have been grieved about the Bibles I had to purchase over the years. I am not sure how I am supposed to get a physical Bible if I am not supposed to buy it? I am sorry if I offended you in asking my questions. I am truly wanting some answers. Thank you! God Bless you and Keep you!🙏

Their funding isn't biblical!? Their content isn't biblical!

If you disagree with some of Bible Project's theology like we do, ask yourself this question: "Am I and other evangelicals in my theological circle OUTGIVING the people I disagree with or dislike when it comes to ministry? Or do we resemble the world's market mentality more than those we might consider misguided?"

I have been watching bible project since their very first video. I didn't know it was 10 years. How wonderful.

What BP theological and intellectual property issues do you find concerning?

Sincerely curious about this. I get the main point. That’s it’s like not trusting God to provide. And I don’t mean to imply that God “changes” but could this actually be a way that God is providing ? I’m not on one side or the other. I don’t know those peoples heart. But could God be working through them INSPITE of this ? Like could it be possible that these people just really don’t know that they might be in this “trap”. Like could they sincerely be blind to this? I appreciate these videos because they make me aware of things I might not know. But it feels like they create division in the church. That if believers don’t all agree on the same thing then they’re out there just bashing each other. Focusing on only that which differentiates them and how they’re better than them and not on any of the things that unite us. I don’t know what I feel about all this. There’s almost a sense of “self/righteousness” when I watch these videos, “holier than thou” vibes. I hate admitting that. But at the same time I feel they’re necessary. Thank you for making this video. God bless all my brothers and sisters out there.

First comment. Watching this as I type 🙏🏼😊 curiosity

Secular investors are profiting from this video in multiple ways - even if you don’t have it monetized. Google probably uses even the data from my comment to train AI, contribute to engagement data for earnings reports etc… Unless you shot all this b-roll yourself then you purchased the rights to use it or are infringing copyright. Ultimately I agree with your conclusion, but this issue will remain complex and altogether impossible to entirely avoid.

why is there a whole band playing at 90 db when the focus is the congregation's worship? Let the voices of the people ring out at 90 db ! (we need worship leaders not performers)

Yet another reason to tread the old paths

No one can lead you into worship, but the Holy Spirit. A Worship Leader is not Biblical. One may direct the musical side, but cannot direst worship. It is blasphemous and sick. It is a business....they pay a small fee to entertain people and make them feel they worshiped while they take their tithes.. all the while, the spectator can go home feeling as though they are right with God because of the good time they had and good music. Today's "worship" music as a whole is a scam! Wake up sheep! You let the wolves into the fold!

Hillsong, Bethel and Elevation music has nothing to do with Biblical worship. These organizations are blaspheming, God dishonoring, pagans . “ Church’s” that use this type of anti God , anti biblical “worship” music demonstrate their lack of Biblical literacy. Sad state of affairs😢😢