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hank mobley’s been one of my favorite saxophonists for maybe two years and i just found him on a hard bop playlist on spotify and i listened to soul station and dippin and man its just so solid, this video affirmed so much, this opened my eyes to a lot of things i appreciate you man

Did he mention nardis is super hip?

This is our 1st tune were working on on our jazz piano class. I love the mary lou williams version with the bongos its a swingin tune

Patricia Barber’s version off the album Cafe Blue is monumental!!!

There were some bangers in this video. Thanks

This was awesome.

“Cannonball”, not “Cannibal”.

All this makes for more conversation but sounds like it found its way to the center of things. People in families have their own ideas and probably didn’t ask Miles about any of it, any more than people who weren’t family but knew and spoke to him actually asked him about anything.

I'm not interested in terms like underrated but I enjoy many Hank Mobley albums including Peckin' Time, Workout, Thinking Of Home, A Slice Of The Top, Straight No Filter, No Room For Squares, and the albums with Horace Silver. My favorite drummers played on most of his Blue Note albums. Billy Higgins, and Philly Joe Jones. And Art Blakey is on the Roll Call album.

The guitar solo in Straws Pulled At Random by Meshuggah! It is simple, serene and out of place

Mobley is without a doubt the most melodic tenor sax of his generation. I think his addictions and Miles Davis' criticism of him harmed him in a certain way.

Keith Jarret was the first to choose bop and acoustic jazz over fusion and modern

I am not a great fan of fusion jazz, and I do love some of Winton´s music, but but boy, can he be a stuck up rigid guy…..

I’ve listened to Herbie a lot and I’ve been to his gigs. I barely listened to wintons music at all and yet I agree with everything he says and barely anything that Herbie says here.

Definitely way cooler than me.

i would nominate Blue Mitchell for this category as well.

6:01 roland kirk!

No doubt, also to me Zoot Sims

10:20 lol

Charlie Rouse as well. Love 'em both. George Coleman is my favorite tenorist of the day. Beautifully done analysis, Tim. I've been a pro and semi-pro saxophonist for over fifty years. Frankly, I feel that the more sonorous, lyrical players (my preference) don't get the level of respect that they deserve.

Why do songwriting credits matter? Because of the money. So Davis got paid when Metheny or Jarrett recorded "Solar" and Chuck Wayne got nothing. Chuck Wayne also got nothing when Davis recorded "Solar" himself, and that is the point of stealing, isn't it. You say you are happy that he did it. You compare him to Elvis and Led Zeppelin, but the Black people who wrote their songs *were* paid, a lot, maybe not at first, and they also got huge boosts to their careers (e.g., Willie Dixon and Muddy Waters). It is true that "Sonny" was forgotten and it is only known to us because Davis played it, so Wayne didn't get money from Davis, but he wouldn't have gotten it without Davis, either. At least Wayne is now known for having written a Miles Davis song. So maybe you are right about that.

Retrograde invert it, and call it “Cricket is Classist.”

I always thought that Nardis was vernacular for "no, this" (as in, "not that")

Great video, incredibly informative. My favorite version, however, is Eric Dolphy's Outward Bound on Prestige.

Man, I miss Musician Magazine. The perfect blend of interviews, reviews, essays, and how-to articles. Real music journalism.

I want to suggest (as many have before me - Google Richie Beirach on who wrote Nardis) that Bill Evans is the real composer of Nardis. Many people suspect that Kind of Blue as well was written by Bill Evans. I tend to agree. There is something in those melodies that harken to Evans playing in general. There's no way to know for sure, but I believe that thinking about it enhances listening to the tunes for their harmonic sophistication and structural depth. To me, they reflect Bill Evans more than they do Miles.

Another criminally underrated jazz musician would be the great jazz trumpeter Kenny Dorham.

This is no different to the situation with the Beatles and George Martin. The tunes were Lennon and McCartney the sounds were Martin's. Martin was lauded for his arrangements and productions but never credited with the compositions. The courts found the same with Norman and Barry. Case closed.

To be accurate, no court found Monty Norman to be the (sole) composer of the theme. That's a distortion. What they found is that Monty Norman was libelled when people claimed John Barry was the (sole) composer, but what they didn't resolve is whether Norman was himself the **sole** composer. The musicologists in the Sunday Times case found that substantial amounts of the Bond theme were composed by Barry, but because the riff evidently comes from Good Sign Bad Sign, it was incorrect for the Sunday Time to claim Barry was the sole author. If we were talking about screenplays rather than music, Barry's work would be called a rewrite, and it would be considered an almost complete rewrite. Certainly, the theme as we know it owes more to Barry than to Norman. What Norman wrote was a corny and unfunny Indian sounding comedy song. Barry wrote pretty much everything besides the riff and brought the Kenton big band and steely rock guitar sound to it. But you can't deny the core riff is Norman's.

Erm no, bad art sucks actually

I explored japanese jazz fusion for two years, and is so good, so optimistic, that I suddenly lost my interest and now i listen only metal, because my emotions dont allow me to be optimistic, i feel bad for this but when I listen music i need to have the right emotion to do it, so metal makes more sense. But beside that, i will always love casiopea and t-square

Wow, thanks for this. One of my favourite jazz tunes!

I did not expect an A.I. song "Japanese jazz accountants" would lead to an actual genre. Excellent.

delete this video

Tina Brooks also underrated

Wynton stated pop was about sex only? That does not seem true.. That raised the question if he is suppressed some how sexually? pop is about human relations period. What about Rhianna some of her tunes she just mumbles words etc...? Rap and Jimi Hendrix Here my train acoming?

Wynton has always been a reactionary, wanting to return jazz back to the late 50s. He emphasizes technique over feeling and thus creates proficient jazz that lacks a certain something.

Amazing video! Super cool to learn that Kiane Zawadi was on a Hank Mobley record. I’ve loved hearing Zawadi’s style; the euphonium doesn’t get much love in the jazz context, but he really makes it work.

Fantastic Video! Great explanations of the history and future of this amazing song. Taught me a lot.

How would one define hip"

Jazz Cromer is an awesome song. I love using Moises to remove the drums and recording my own drum version. All be it. It has taken me about 40 recordings to stay on top of the changes also. I want drum solo to be stronger.

Late stage Coltrane plays it first, tells you about it later….. maybe , just like Miles Davis th-cam.com/video/_ZrbtKUZFqQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=YXv0amk6QnKDqA7H

I want your playlists in my active vocabulary

Interesting topic for debate. I definitely sympathise with the points both of them make, Marsalis’ point about jazz being an art form, totally true. Jazz is and has always been an artistic expression, completely in its own world from pop music. This message is ever so important in 2024 when the pop music created today is so much more brainless and in general, a dumbing down of what music is. However, Herbie has an excellent point and marsalis’ response to it reflects his backwards thinking. Jazz is an ever-changing genre, and as artists we have to continue pushing boundaries and changing what “jazz” means. Herbie has always been at the forefront of the new world of jazz, Head Hunters being an excellent example. Awesome video!

Tune Up another dispute?

Herbie Hancock is an innovator. Wynton follows trends that are long dead.

This is not that wild from Wynton. He's right, pop music is not as much about the music it's more about people realising a common ground. Where sex is a similar thing - bringing yourself to the same level as another person and connecting with other people. This, in my opinion is more important than Wynton tries to make out, but how important both of those functions of music are is down to personal taste. Jazz is about the music, art and emotions - acting as a language that can and is understood in and of itself. There's bad pop music and there's bad jazz music. Jazz takes genuine concentration and has the potential to bring you to a completely different space in your mind. Pop music is much more obvious and I don't think there's anything wrong with that I think thats just what Wynton is trying to say.

Marsalis no entiende nada

Having heard Evans’ voice in the interview, yeah I can see how he would have said “I’m a nardis” 😄

Forget both of them. The listener approves of what they themselves like. Doesn't matter if the guy at the record shop can't decide what category an album belongs. as long as it is available to be purchased because the music is liked. Food, Wine, dog breeds, music, doesn't matter. I dislike purists. If I'm snapping my fingers to something I'm enjoying, it doesn't matter if it is Miles, Joe Pass, Steely Dan, The Temptations, Mingus, or Funkadelic.