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Here I have Live video discussions on manga/anime related series, as well as Comicbooks and maybe films such as Star Wars in the future
Naruto Pain arc: Live Podcast Discussion Part 2
Naruto Pain arc: Live Podcast Discussion Part 2
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Naruto Pain arc: Live Podcast Discussion Part 1
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Naruto Pain arc: Live Podcast Discussion Part 1
Great review
@@Sweetdude64 thank you
Good stream.
@@faridkhan6037 thanks glad you enjoyed it
Good discussion. Here's what I feel regarding certain points. 1) The powerscaling part is something I want to avoid when it comes to Itachi and Naruto or any character because that just opens a whole different can of worms. 2) I think Space's comment on Konan and Jiraiya is something I'd disagree on. Konan blew in paper form and this was her version of Deidara's ultimate explosion jutsu. Obito couldn't bring her back even if he wanted to. As for Jiraiya, I don't think most people were actually upset he didn't return. His returning would create a great reunion between him, Minato, and Naruto. On the other hand, it would cheapen his death and Naruto's understanding of pain and loss. That got shat on quickly in Boruto, though. Just another reason to lock the sequel in Pandora's box and dump it in the ocean. 3) Gaara's mother did love him. I'll agree with Monty on this one. Plus, his backstory and overall arc getting a massive closure was actually pretty good. He even is a popular character who got this treatment considering he is one of the few who isn't an Uchiha. 4) Speaking of 'can of worms' from my first point, this revelation of reanimation really bothers me. See, Minato was far stronger before he became Hokage and when he did become Hokage, he saved the village from the 9-Tails without letting the village take massive damage. On the other hand, Itach is essentially the same with his skillset and talent level. Yet... after reanimation, Minato is a punching bag and Itachi is creating Izanami and Izanagi*. It's as if Kishimoto was seriously biased towards the Uchihas, in particular, Itachi, Sasuke, and Madara. 5) I'd like to disagree with Monty on 2 points. The first is that people wanted Jiraiya and Shisui back is not true. Shisui had his relevance only for a minor part in Itachi's story. Beyond him, he didn't have that much influence. You could argue that Uchiha fanatics wanted him back which can apply to Uzumaki/Senju fanatics for Jiraiya. Jiraiya's chapter was complete. No one truly wanted him back unless it was for epic reunions and character development moments. The second point is that Neji didn't die protecting the clan or living to die on his own accords, he died for a pairing whose 'Bolt' is his sheathe. Furthermore, that pairing isn't even as grand as it was hyped up to be. The same applies to the other black sheep of the main canon pairings.
That's an interesting topic, great stream!
@@walkytalkypodcast thanks glad you liked it
Forgot to mention how George Lucas originally want Ron Howard or Steven Spielberg to direct the film, but told him he should do it
Fantastic stream. Plus Ultra!
@@faridkhan6037 thank you
Aoyama had a really great arc. He actually repented (and is gonna) until he feels he is ready. This actually adds to his character. Lemilion is an epic character. Him graduating is kinda sad because the dude had a massive impact on everyone during his time. It definitely won't be the same without him. Kakashi wasn't essentially a class teacher. He was more like the only leader for team 7. Shinsou controlled Gigantomachia during the fight with Mt. Lady. Please no. No Last mentions🤮 On a serious note, I don't think any franchise is ever going to try to repeat Naruto's love triangle and the mess that is 'The Last' (nail in the coffin, morelike) and 'Retsuden'. Honestly, the Todoroki family had a very powerful dynamic. Plus, it seems like much more effective than most of what the Uchihas had. Lady Nagant knows the exploits🤣 Gentle and La Brava were a really good duo. Don't know how people find them odd. Izuku becoming a hero from the shadows... interesting concept, but I feel like he's set up to be the symbol of peace. 427 is the society coming to terms with Shigaraki's death and the aftermath of his rampage. What I liked about Spinner and Shigaraki's revelation here is that he wasn't some knight in shining armor. Rather, he was just someone who considered him normal. Plus, as a gamer... massive respect. Also, Izuku got the 'I am not afraid of you' vibe😎 Wanted to say this, but there is something really special about this chapter. It's not just about Spinner and Izuku. It's about what a character's decisions did for everyone around him. Horikoshi creates a perfect juxtaposition between the background and the foreground. People have multiple inputs about a villain while one person connected to said villain screams his pain to the person who brought an end to the villain. It's rather poetic in that the world saw a monster, but he saw a friend. The hero heard the cries of pain, but he ended a boy with a friend who only wanted acceptance. Chisaki went from being a Yakuza leader to a pathetic wimp. If he hadn't messed with Eri that way... he might've looked just bad, but because he did... he looks absolutely pathetic. What's worse is remembering his fall from grace. Space was right. Also, I don't understand why not give Izuku fans since he essentially saved the world? It's like post-Pein all over again. I can see the fangirling not being there since he is exclusive for Ochako and vice versa, but atleast admirers would help. 3:05:40 Unless the protagonist is Asta because dude's got girls falling for him left, right, and center. Noelle, Mimosa, and Rebecca. Nvm🤣 you know. I am calling it. Space is clairvoyant. What if the wreckage survivor is Midoriya's dad? Also, where is he, actually? Speaking of dads... who is Asta's father? I agree with Space on this one. See, if the sequel expands on the characters and brings in a new look to years 2 and 3, I might be down for it. Something along the lines of 100 year quest. If it is something like gaiden, Naruto novels, Boruto... HARD PASS!!! Boruto is Infinite Tsukuyomi. There is no way Himawari has a stronger connection with Kurama than Naruto. Shigaraki got a better sendoff than Madara which is saying something. Plus, he atleast left a message for someone who was by far the most inconsequential character for the villains league. What I felt was that he understood that he did what he did whether or not All for One had any influence on him and left the future in Izuku's hand since he essentially was the only one to ever reach out to him for a chance at redemption. It wasn't a massive redemption, but it definitely made him seem true to his path. Wait a minute. Izuku is getting hated for not saving Shigaraki? Is everyone thinking that Izuku is gonna 'talk no jutsu' Shigaraki into getting inside a cell? Nah. This was a better end. Plus, like you said, Izuku technically did save him. I have no idea how many people still think using TNJ is the right thing to do at every point. The OFA part not being with Izuku... in my opinion, it's up to how it is executed. This is mostly because he actually has capabilities to stand as a hero without OFA, but he would require enhancements or gadgets, at the most. I see Hatsume being his gear supplier in the future. To add to this, he could essentially be like the leader from Shinra Kusakabe's fire force department. I actually find it funny that while Jiraiya and Meliodas are perverts as well, they essentially get away with it. Problem is, Mineta just reels into that part TOO MUCH🤣 Still, guy just gets shafted so bad🤣 Please Space... no🤣 I'd rather see IzuOcha than get a Naruto ending. Pretty good stream. Not only did you present interesting points and discuss the chapters efficiently, you even managed to balance comments and input from Space and Rave (last quarter). Space has some pretty good insight. Manga Reader has got some humorous approaches. Lucky be hoping for more MHA. You streamed well👍 PLUS ULTRA💪 Also, I hope to join the last two streams for this manga because this is like a farewell to BNHA😢
@@faridkhan6037 glad you liked the stream
Assassination Classroom was epic.
@@faridkhan6037 it was
I forgot to give this episode a score raiting so ill just put here its at best 5 or 5 out 10, half of it good and the other not so good
Naruto to better than One Piece
You trying to say naruto is better than one piece
Interesting
You're a wellspring of motivation! -- "Passion fuels achievement.."
Hey excellent video mate! Share a cup o’ joe with me as i listen 🍻
Thank you
Blue, is it possible that you can ask Derock on the MHA thread which ships he was referring to? I do know IzuOcha has a high chance. If not, IzuToga. Not too sure about the others.
Sasuke fan here. SS ruined sasuke's popularity cause many sasuke fans like me wanted him to follow itachi's path as a lone wolf.You can see in the recent NarutoTop99, the character once so popular among the masses now now finds it difficult to be in top 10.While ironically SS kind of pushed Sakura's popularity in a twisted way followed by other sakura stans and shippers since most of the sasuke fans like me have started to dislike him. I miss the hebi sasuke who was calm composed and collected. 😭
Top be fair the the 99 popularity pole most people votes on characters they wanted to see a spin off for as that was the first place prize. Though yeah ss has done damage to both characters and their popularity. I believe some sakura fans only ship ss because its canon if not they wouldn't do so
Sorry, I missed it, Blue. I haven't been too well, I just hope this film never gets made, Naruto is a dead brand at this point.
That's fine. As for the film well we will have to wait and see
@@bluestarsaberstarwarsfan3838 Yeah, but here is hoping it will never happen. It's clear why they are doing this. Bolt is not doing well, and they think they can bring in new watchers.
@@TheFirstEvil100 I thinks it's more to do with the one piece live action
The discussion was pretty good. Considering Naruto's part 2 in live action... personally, it would be better if they completely changed it. SasuSaku wouldn't fly and NaruHina would just look like Harry and Ginny. When it comes to Harry Potter, I never really cared about the pairings given that I wasn't too deep into shipping at that time. All in all, I am not gonna go in with high expectations for the live action. Also, when is the podcast with James and the others?
Can't say when James will be back, but it's close
@@bluestarsaberstarwarsfan3838 Looking forward to it.
James should never return, not after what he did. And you, blue, should not want to associate with someone that tarnished.
@@Alex-cl8ed Tarnished? In what sense?
James did some f**d-up stuff in Heaven & Earth forums, which got him perma-banned. I’m not gonna say what exactly, but bluestarsaber, luckychi7 and others know exactly what I’m talking about.
Best part for me? Sakura embraces Naruto. As for Naruto vs. Nagato... it should've been something like a permanence. I feel like Nagato should've just accepted defeat after his heart-to-heart with Naruto and died without reviving anyone. This would've put more of an impact on Naruto that he can't save everyone. The village cheers him for stopping Pein, but he doesn't feel happy. The Sakura embrace happens and have Hinata realize she can't be with him. The rebuilding effort should happen and Sakura should be the one to pull Naruto out of his feeling of helplessness. The rest can be different.
How would he die though?
@@bluestarsaberstarwarsfan3838 He could die due to a heavy toll on having used the gedo statue in the first place. The summoning of that statue during Yahiko's death would slowly, but surely deplete his life force to the point where he would be close to death when meeting Naruto. This could also play into the fact that he gets hope from looking at Naruto and no longer needs to continue his mission. Plus, this can be used as a way for Konan to begin seeking redemption for herself and Nagato by starting to right all the wrongs they did during their time as the Akatsuki.
@@faridkhan6037 I guess though would naruto really get the heroes welcome if everyone wasn't brought back to life
@@bluestarsaberstarwarsfan3838 The broadcast from the toad would show how it went down when Pein died. Naruto wouldn't exactly be blamed for having the Akatsuki attack due to him being a jinchuriki since Pein mainly attacked due to his past with the Leaf. This would make the villagers believe that he did save them as if it wasn't for him... they wouldn't survive.
I saw on the H&E general thread that a 'Sakura confessing to Naruto' acrylic is out by SP. Wanted to know if it is true since I can't join the website.
Is this recent or an old thread
@@bluestarsaberstarwarsfan3838 Recent. Just today.
Why is this manga confusing?
Because its poorly written.
@@bluestarsaberstarwarsfan3838 Agreed. Also, when is the podcast with James and the others and on whose channel?
For the record, in the manga kurenai is shown to be wearing a wedding ring. Also, in the other sasuke LN, he clearly mentions to Sakura that he doesn't have any wedding ring to give her at the moment so he wants her to wear something more important- the uchiha clan crest. Ofc these are all non canon materials but still it's super laughable
Indeed it is laughable
The more I hear, the more Boruto seems annoying. However, it is fun to see you guys discuss it. LuckyChi is open to quite a lot of approaches. You are not so much (same here).
i remember, even to this day, i was eating a burger when the last chapter came out and my reaction to watching SS the romance becoming canon ALMOST made me throw up all burger from my intestine. So yeah, that was my reaction
I don't blame you
im a huge fan of James. I've been listening to his videos for a very long time now. I hope james sees this message.
Hope so. Dude has guts to stand up against pro-enders.
@faridkhan6037 I was called a lot horrible names just because I didn't support NH and SS. I talked about the plot holes, the villains being forgiven, oro and kabuto living scot-free, I also mentioned about the theme and moral message of naruto being very questionable. But alas, all the pro enders ever saw and read was my shipping rant. How can these people be this stupid and this...... urgh 🤮
@@istalkghosts497 For me, I could forgive the ending since I wanted NS to happen. Even then, as the anime ended, I supported Boruto up until 250 or so episodes. Gave up after that. Years later, I realize that A LOT has happened behind the scenes and funny enough, NH and SS are fighting amongst each other now🤣 As for bashing, I wasn't harshly subjected to it because I wasn't on social media at the time. Still, I feel you. Toxicity exists in every fandom. Reason being emotions override rationality.
@faridkhan6037 the thing is, I honestly was never into the shipping territory. But even then I knew NaruSaku made way more sense and would've added so much growth to Sakura's character growth by parting ways with her unhealthy attachment towards Sasuke. As much as I vehemently despise NH and SS, I'll be the first to say that this ship ruined all these characters. I was very indifferent towards hinata but that stupid movie made me hate her. I wanted Sakura to grow both as a ninja and a character. But we didn't get that as well. Sasuke wanted to restore his clans but he turned out to be a dead beat dad, naruto wanted to be the greatest hokage but boruto (series) begs to differ. Nothing good came from the ending of Naruto and this ending came into existence only to cater to the pathetic and shallow needs of NH and SS stans. Og naruto fans quit the show the day ch 700 came out.
@@istalkghosts497 For me, it was more like I wasn't a big fan of Sasuke. I still remember I never EVER played as him in Ultimate Ninja Storm 4. So, Sasuke ending up with anyone other than Sakura would've been fine for me. As for Hinata, I found myself bored when she was on screen. Her ending up with Naruto just destroyed me. Naruto and Sakura were so much more than what they are now with Hinata and Sasuke. As for the OG fans, yeah. Most of them quit. I wanted to give Boruto a shot, but nah... it was terrible to watch. It felt so... bland. In the end, I just moved away from the franchise only to now find out that WAY TOO much stuff happened in the fandom after the ending. As for Blue Vortex, doesn't look interesting.
NaruSaku wedding should've happened, but without it being over the top or cringe.
Agreed, I don't mind it being a big event but not where everyone competes to get them a wedding gift
How is edo tensei different from rinne rebirth and reanimation?
Edo tensei requires a living sacrifice to be summon as an undead puppet
@@bluestarsaberstarwarsfan3838 Oh man... they really messed up Sakura in this one.
@@faridkhan6037 yeah sakura should never want to do that no matter who is dead
Sasuke's true fate should've been that of a loner. Death would be better, but that would screw Naruto over.
That or get together with karin
Kiba might've been removed due to 2 reasons. 1) He is a joke character. 2) He and Hinata shippers were a thing.
Possible, though whether or kibahina had a chance I'm not really sure
@@bluestarsaberstarwarsfan3838 Can't deny that.
This manga... seems too bad to comprehend. Plot wise, it is even worse than any Shippuden movie I've seen.
Pure cringe it was
The logo symbolism... geez... NH and SS were desperate😂
Seems like it though your better off asking chatte
@@bluestarsaberstarwarsfan3838 where exactly?
@@faridkhan6037 etheir on twitter or tumblr
@@bluestarsaberstarwarsfan3838 I see. Don't own an account on either, but appreciate the help.
The context in Japanese is not easy to translate. It could be like Chatte said. Plus, a crossover between Boruto and Shinachiku would be amazing!!!
I guess though I doubt it will happen, at least anytime soon
Wait... I had no clue Kishimoto wasn't exactly behind Boruto... Damn... AI can screw people up bad in desperate times🤣
Yeah lots of people really do think he is qritting the series right
Minato's oneshot is EPIC!!! Also, Sakura learning wood release would've guaranteed NS. SP, NH, and SS didn't want that.
Indeed it is. I'm not necessarily sure if sakura learning wood style would make narusaku happen, but it would bring more spotlight to sakura
@@bluestarsaberstarwarsfan3838 It actually would make it happen. Reason being she would be the one to hold down Naruto during Pain arc when he goes berserk. Plus, that would definitely add more to her connections as a Senju.
NaruSaku can never be replicated in BoruSara.
Yeah its why most narusaku don't ship them
@@bluestarsaberstarwarsfan3838 bruh, borusara cant even replicate chojikarui and this is narusaku we're talking about
@@istalkghosts497 chouji and karui came out of nowhere, its dumb
@bluestarsaberstarwarsfan3838 and its still better than borusara
@@istalkghosts497 Wouldn't say ChojiKarui was better. BoruSara has development (don't care though🤣). ChojiKarui was TRULY surprising. It would've been better he would've gotten married, but his wife was someone from the clan like Rock Lee's wife is unknown (not sure of it in recent updates because I stopped following the series).
Quick question. How does Sasuke even know ANYTHING about Tsunade being a bad gambler!?
The only time sasuke ever interacted with her was when she healed him, so I doubted
@@bluestarsaberstarwarsfan3838 Ohhhhh.....
This is sasuke retsuden written by an emotionally immature woman. You expect facts, consistency and continuity here? i was laughing my butt off when they released sasuke retsuden
@@istalkghosts497 🤣 Especially Sakura tripping which she has never done and is by far one of the BEST at chakra control. No wonder the canon ships in this manga are terrible. Although, the emotionally immature part is kinda too much. As much as I agree with you, I'll say that she pretty much never cared about established mythos for the original material and made this with SS mode switched to overdrive.
@faridkhan6037 as you must've guessed, I'm anti SS. But if I had to write a story about SS I'd more respectful to both the characters involved and I'd also make sure I'd fact check before writing anything. And I would make sure both SS are in character. This retsuden is an insult to common sense. I'm not even sorry for calling Jun Esaka an emotionally immature woman.
Do the Minato oneshot review.
I plan to at some point, but waiting for someone to join me
@@bluestarsaberstarwarsfan3838 see if Chatte, Greg, and AM can join you. They're pretty accurate and entertaining. Plus, you've got most of the updates.
I don't think the professor has the ability to make battle pets, if he could why didn't he just turn the class into battle pets himself instead of telling the battle pets to do it? I think the battle pets were given to him by someone else maybe God himself.
That's something that could be possible, though we have to wait and see more of the battle pets to confirm this.
This episode had A LOT of amazing moments. Hayden did such a great job returning as Anakin. The Clone Wars in LIVE ACTION was AMAZING!! Hera and the others’ scenes were kind of a drag but other than that I had a good time with this episode.
Yeah I enjoyed the episode, especially the anakin and ahsoka stuff
Promo'SM 🤷
I'm happy about Minato being first (didn't want Itachi because too much Uchiha in the OG manga and got tired of it) and Sakura, my favorite, being 3rd, couldn't be happier (even if it's mostly because of SS because that's all there is now regarding Sakura and to me that suck because she could be so much more than a pairring plot device for the raging fandom). I don't expect much for Minato's story but if it's good, I might buy it but like Chatte, certainly not the english version as I totally hate VIZ as well (maybe french as it is my native language). Anyway, nice discussion, hope to heard some other you've mention soon :)
Unfortunately the downside to ss being canon, you get new fans by default shipping thinking that it was supposed to be this way. Though I have seen others say she would of been better off with someone like Lee or naruto more oftern at least. Thank you I hope to do some of them soon, just need to find the time to do them
@@bluestarsaberstarwarsfan3838 Well it's a given that new fans can think that SS was always suppose to be, considering the new materials like Sasuke Retsuden and the anime fillers ( even if SP was never pro Sakura, I guess that now that Hinata got Naruto, they can spread more of this pairring nonsense). However, glad that there are also a lot that says that she should have end up with someone like Naruto and yes, even Lee who was also a great guy that actually show that he cared for her, unlike Sasuke who rarely did and when he did younger, it was mostly about team 7 and not becausae he was secretly in love with her but too shy to really show her. Anyway, take all the time you need, I get it, being an adult, we have other stuff that we need to do lol
Im glad sakura placed 3rd but its a hollow victory since she's still with sasuke
Yeah noting we can do about that unfortunately, though hopefully naruto has shown jump not to do relationship like that in the future
True
In terms of the monster feel Kishi originally wanted for the Akatsuki, Blue, he also sorta kept it with Sasori and definitely with Kakuzu given his forbidden Jutsu and what it did to him.
Yeah I forgot about sasori
could you try to do JJBA parts 1 through 8 next?
Jo Jo's bizarre adventure?
@@bluestarsaberstarwarsfan3838 yes
@@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573 I haven't watched or read that series sorry
Good stream 👍🏾
Thanks
Do you think ochako and izuku will become a couple?
Yes I do
Balls.
Just getting into comics and want to start with spider man but I have no idea where to start. Any help?
Well you can either start at the beginning of stan Lee's run with amazing fantasy issues 15 and go through his 100 issue run, though I would continue with gerry convay run afterwards if you do for issue 121. Other runs i would check out are Roger stern, Tom deflaco and jm dematteis & j michael straczynski and currently nick Spencer current run
@@bluestarsaberstarwarsfan3838 thank you for the help!
@@cmorgaming2748 No Problem
I so wish I had a mic lol but so true, me I feel like Kishi's job in doing Manga is over, he failed to make a good ending and will need to live with that fact.
True, though he could admit that he screwed up and see if people would give him a chance again. Though I don't see that happening anytime soon
Oh yeah I forgot to mention thank you Luckychi for joining me sorry your computer crashed