Wonder what the win/ loss ratio is with the All Blacks and Springbok.I.think it favors the All Blacks? Maybe should ask them HOW you BEAT a Bokka team.
Phil am a big fan of England team but I have a great respect for you for breaking down the main points about South Africa strength of a game.🏴🏴
What is always good to hear is someone who got to the top and won it all, they tend to speak with a freedom, no fear of hurting their own ego they just say it like it is. So many almost there sportspeople down other teams or other peoples talents and abilities for the sake of protecting their own fragile ego. Not Vickery, he was a deserving world champion and so he speaks without fear and calls it like it is.
I think the difference is that when the AB’s goes on the counter attack they score within one or two phases, whereas the Boks sometimes need a little bit more than that. McCaw’s team was a lot like this Bok team, or vice versa I suppose. Even if they are down by two scores 10 minutes out, you still feel they are not out of the game yet. Once you have built that reputation (the Boks have now cemented that perception with three 1-point wins against massive competition at WC2023), if a game is not closed out by minute 70, opposition panic is going to give it to the Boks 9 times out of 10.
@@fourieorama ABs could also take the game away from teams in a way this Boks seemingly can't. Winning percentage and scoreline disparities highlight this. Boks aren't close to the 2001-2015 ABs, but I doubt now any team will. Bok are very very good last few years, and always look as if they can lift when they need to.
@@fourieoramayou must be joking. Since 1976 when your uncle Gert stopped blowing the whistle for you, you lose more than 70% v the Abs. Try and keep up with the group please
@@joedennehy386here we go again. Your home fixtures weren't exactly fair pre76 and yet you full of fingers. I still question 2011 Bryce Lawrence winning new Zealand ref of the year and calling the worst game in history at that point. The game stopped the only opposition to the AB's and enabled them to win the WC. Then of course the whining of your commentators and how rugby has changed the rules to limit the scrum. Making laws suit New Zealand for a while now...and you continue to whine about pre76. Boks didn't lose a test series for 50 years in and out SA before that. Will you credit them for it...of course not. Boks beast you in your own backyard ... Will you credit them that. Of course not. Yet we credit you as the toughest rivals. Grow up and respect your toughest opponent you AB or should I say BS
@@itistrue101I strongly disagree. This Bok team will dismantle that All Black team like you'll never imagine. Dan Carter saved them in 2015. This Springbok team had the toughest ever route to a final beating a French team that smashed the All Blacks. Then beating England playing their best rugby since 2019 final. The difference between the 2023 ABs and the 2015s is Dan Carter.
It is not the one or the other; the Boks forwards are physical, their goal is to overpower their opponents, and then hit with backs; the backs can be very direct in their play, but also attack with flair; sometimes from scrums or line-outs; and other times by creating havok from open play. What they are good at is defence, turnovers, counter-attacks and then striking with the backs. Then you have a few players that can take the ball up hard and fast. De Allende and Kriel are good examples of players that are running straight, hard and fast, but they are also very skillfull. GO the BOKS in '24.
I agree ( I am a Bok supporter) but surely the All Blacks are that little better on every aspect mentioned? I mean, look at the absolute dominance by them over the past 30-40 years
Top man. And accurate. Instead of the usual patronising “ boring , one dimensional “ shite from the haters. He is complimentary. And we play to our strengths. When we bowed to public pressure and tried to play like NZ. They put 57-0 on us. People who want to just see running rugby can go watch sevens. There is more to the game than dazzle dazzle in backline
Wonder what the win/ loss ratio is with the All Blacks and Springbok.I.think it favors the All Blacks? Maybe should ask them HOW you BEAT a Bokka team.
The All Blacks are a hell of a physical team too, a lot of the time they are more so than the Boks.
Referees love them
Sarcasm surely 😂
Ask the irish
Thank you Phil
Phil am a big fan of England team but I have a great respect for you for breaking down the main points about South Africa strength of a game.🏴🏴
They are a wonderful side, the second best in the world, a long way behind the All-black though. Miles
Well... There is this silly little tournament that they won last year. Probably nothing important.
@@randomlyfactual1943true that, and they bullied the ABs at Twickenham🙂 Boks are better than the ABs🙂👌🏻
Springboks= Rugby
Springboks- steroids
@@Sineadmcd = sour grapes
@@sinenhlanhlamlondo8013 no they are actually legal… steroids aren’t
They are big, strong, skilled and clever. More so than the rest.
An I don’t think that’s all true and inbetween World Cup cycles they lose a lot of matches
The man speaks truth. As a Bok supporter I love the blend of power, pace and skill (in that order).
What is always good to hear is someone who got to the top and won it all, they tend to speak with a freedom, no fear of hurting their own ego they just say it like it is. So many almost there sportspeople down other teams or other peoples talents and abilities for the sake of protecting their own fragile ego. Not Vickery, he was a deserving world champion and so he speaks without fear and calls it like it is.
Well said and spkoken
It's not, NZ does it every year.
Another butt hurt NZer… it’s a contest of who can blow the bigger snot-bubbles between you lot and the French!
Mieliepap.
Interesting point of view, this is how I have always viewed the new zealand rugby team as well.
I think the difference is that when the AB’s goes on the counter attack they score within one or two phases, whereas the Boks sometimes need a little bit more than that. McCaw’s team was a lot like this Bok team, or vice versa I suppose. Even if they are down by two scores 10 minutes out, you still feel they are not out of the game yet. Once you have built that reputation (the Boks have now cemented that perception with three 1-point wins against massive competition at WC2023), if a game is not closed out by minute 70, opposition panic is going to give it to the Boks 9 times out of 10.
@@fourieorama ABs could also take the game away from teams in a way this Boks seemingly can't. Winning percentage and scoreline disparities highlight this. Boks aren't close to the 2001-2015 ABs, but I doubt now any team will. Bok are very very good last few years, and always look as if they can lift when they need to.
@@fourieoramayou must be joking. Since 1976 when your uncle Gert stopped blowing the whistle for you, you lose more than 70% v the Abs. Try and keep up with the group please
@@joedennehy386here we go again. Your home fixtures weren't exactly fair pre76 and yet you full of fingers. I still question 2011 Bryce Lawrence winning new Zealand ref of the year and calling the worst game in history at that point. The game stopped the only opposition to the AB's and enabled them to win the WC. Then of course the whining of your commentators and how rugby has changed the rules to limit the scrum. Making laws suit New Zealand for a while now...and you continue to whine about pre76. Boks didn't lose a test series for 50 years in and out SA before that. Will you credit them for it...of course not. Boks beast you in your own backyard ... Will you credit them that. Of course not. Yet we credit you as the toughest rivals. Grow up and respect your toughest opponent you AB or should I say BS
@@itistrue101I strongly disagree. This Bok team will dismantle that All Black team like you'll never imagine. Dan Carter saved them in 2015. This Springbok team had the toughest ever route to a final beating a French team that smashed the All Blacks. Then beating England playing their best rugby since 2019 final. The difference between the 2023 ABs and the 2015s is Dan Carter.
Good on you Phil everyone always focuses on the physicality when most Bok tries are are from backline moments of brilliance
It is not the one or the other; the Boks forwards are physical, their goal is to overpower their opponents, and then hit with backs; the backs can be very direct in their play, but also attack with flair; sometimes from scrums or line-outs; and other times by creating havok from open play. What they are good at is defence, turnovers, counter-attacks and then striking with the backs. Then you have a few players that can take the ball up hard and fast. De Allende and Kriel are good examples of players that are running straight, hard and fast, but they are also very skillfull. GO the BOKS in '24.
It’s called, all out rugby. To beat SA and NZ you have to be good at every part of the game.
I agree ( I am a Bok supporter) but surely the All Blacks are that little better on every aspect mentioned? I mean, look at the absolute dominance by them over the past 30-40 years
Definitely not the physical side and do not forget that kne thing that they are better at is the forward pass 😂
SA = 4 x world cups NZ = ? :)
@@phoenixrising427 That is not my point.
@@louisvanniekerk2612 AKA NZ Flat pass :0
@@RNRSA2023 Ek verstaan, NZ is oor die algemenn,meer gebalanseerd en die span om te wen
Spot on 🎉❤
Top man. And accurate. Instead of the usual patronising “ boring , one dimensional “ shite from the haters. He is complimentary. And we play to our strengths. When we bowed to public pressure and tried to play like NZ. They put 57-0 on us. People who want to just see running rugby can go watch sevens. There is more to the game than dazzle dazzle in backline
Well Vicks we didn't win 19... Let's just hope and hope we win 23 😎🤘💪
Or, at least, a country that's never won.