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เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 13 ม.ค. 2020
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Is The Charismatic Voice A Scammer?
I will leave a pinned comment with some of this info in case people missed it but I wanted to explain that I feel really strongly about this.
I have seen some people on Reddit say these comments about cancer were "jokes" or not meant to be serious but they definitely are as you can see she has centered the entire Kickstarter campaign around doing research regarding illnesses and cancer and whether singing can cure or prevent these illnesses.
The "research" she's doing cannot logically come to a real scientific conclusion because she is testing HEALTHY individuals. If you look into other studies done regarding this topic, because this is not new at all, they do their tests on people with said illnesses to see if it helps. The only thing any studies have found is that music therapy MAY help morale and stress levels in sick individuals. But these are diseases and illnesses we are talking about that take a physical toll on people's health and not just mental health.
This whole thing is set up to seem like it is doing "research" for these illnesses when in reality it is just a project she is trying to work on. If she wasn't trying to frame it as curing illnesses to get more donations than this wouldn't be considered a full "scam" but it truly is by definition a scam as she is lying regarding the research.
I'm just trying to raise awareness because I feel strongly about this since I directly am living with someone who affected by these illnesses and she's exploiting that for donations for a project.
Anyway, you can make your own conclusions.
Here's my source regarding her kickstarter:
www.kickstarter.com/projects/tcvresearch/harsh-vocal-research-with-the-charismatic-voice
Here's a CNN article from 2016 proving this is not new research and also proving that this has only ever been shown to improve mental health for the patients and as you can see per the article they tested actual sick people and not healthy individuals:
www.cnn.com/2016/04/08/health/singing-cancer-study-irpt/index.html
Here's another study regarding this as well where the conclusion they came to is that it helps mental health but no mention of physically curing cancer or illnesses:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6326295/
You have free will to do what you want but this really rubbed me the wrong way. Let me know your thoughts below!
TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Intro
1:20 - The Charismatic Voice
6:00 - Patreon/TH-cam $$
10:20 - Kickstarter
23:30 - Courses
25:40 - Conclusion
I have seen some people on Reddit say these comments about cancer were "jokes" or not meant to be serious but they definitely are as you can see she has centered the entire Kickstarter campaign around doing research regarding illnesses and cancer and whether singing can cure or prevent these illnesses.
The "research" she's doing cannot logically come to a real scientific conclusion because she is testing HEALTHY individuals. If you look into other studies done regarding this topic, because this is not new at all, they do their tests on people with said illnesses to see if it helps. The only thing any studies have found is that music therapy MAY help morale and stress levels in sick individuals. But these are diseases and illnesses we are talking about that take a physical toll on people's health and not just mental health.
This whole thing is set up to seem like it is doing "research" for these illnesses when in reality it is just a project she is trying to work on. If she wasn't trying to frame it as curing illnesses to get more donations than this wouldn't be considered a full "scam" but it truly is by definition a scam as she is lying regarding the research.
I'm just trying to raise awareness because I feel strongly about this since I directly am living with someone who affected by these illnesses and she's exploiting that for donations for a project.
Anyway, you can make your own conclusions.
Here's my source regarding her kickstarter:
www.kickstarter.com/projects/tcvresearch/harsh-vocal-research-with-the-charismatic-voice
Here's a CNN article from 2016 proving this is not new research and also proving that this has only ever been shown to improve mental health for the patients and as you can see per the article they tested actual sick people and not healthy individuals:
www.cnn.com/2016/04/08/health/singing-cancer-study-irpt/index.html
Here's another study regarding this as well where the conclusion they came to is that it helps mental health but no mention of physically curing cancer or illnesses:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6326295/
You have free will to do what you want but this really rubbed me the wrong way. Let me know your thoughts below!
TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Intro
1:20 - The Charismatic Voice
6:00 - Patreon/TH-cam $$
10:20 - Kickstarter
23:30 - Courses
25:40 - Conclusion
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Everyone who sees this and doesn't agree with it because it's false and clearly so, just report him. This counts as misinformation, and should not be on TH-cam. Report it, TH-cam will take it down. You, sir, do not deserve a platform, if this is the level of dishonesty you bring to the table.
Okay, okay, okay... what? 1. She does make money from her Patreon. That's what it's for. You complaining about that just makes you seem jealous. 2. She does analyse the songs she reacts to. She goes in depth. You do not. You're shallow and add nothing to the content you're watching. That's why all of your reactions are demonitized. YOU ADD NOTHING. 3. She never claimed she was curing cancer. She said she was researching FALSE VOCAL FOLDS in order to see if there's a way to teach people how to speak, even if they've had cancer related surgery that's caused them to not be able to use their own voice. It's a noble goal, and the fact that it bother you just shows me that you're a bad person... Lets be honest, you're just mad because she does the same content as you, but better. She goes more in depth, she puts more personality into it, she's more likeable. You're not likeable at all. That's why your channel is failing - everyone can see you're just not cut out for this kind of life. In order to make it on TH-cam, you need to offer something that people want. NO ONE wants your content, because it adds nothing. So... yeah, that's all I have to say now. Move along. :)
This video sucks
The thing that most rubbed me the wrong way is the idea of just having 8-12 famous vocalists be your test subjects for your big earth shattering research study instead of trying to find like 100 metal vocalists to study.
(There are many other aspects that give off red flags, this was just the biggest one for me.)
She's starting research into using false vocal folds to speak for people who've had cancer and lost their ability to speak. It's a new field, and she needs to start somewhere.
trying to study 100 vocalists would be far, far more expensive (not to mention the logistical and scheduling issues that would arise if you want them all to be professionals), likely to the point of being prohibitive for the research to actually take place. it would take hell of a long time too. it's a much more realistic goal to create a small group study that you can use as a proof of concept in pushing for additional studies, including ones with a larger group of subjects. in a perfect world, yes, it would be better to study a large group but for a first step into researching this particular topic, a smaller scale is a much smarter way of getting started.
@HeapOfBones ok but like... if it's smaller scale they could just say from the outset that it's a smaller scale study instead of earth shattering. Also I saw an interview and the way she was like calling people jealous haters and stuff makes me spidey sense go off. Like I'm not gonna say for sure it's a scam, it's just that there are so many red flags I dunno? If it reads like a sketchy Kickstarter project I'm gonna treat it like a sketchy kickstarter project. I guess the way I'd phrase it would be - if this were presented to like a grant committee or something as a pitch for funding, would they do it?
@@MikeBsMovies It's only sketchy because you have a false sense of what it's about. If you actually understood her goal, and WHY this is earth-shattering (no one has ever researched false vocal folds as a way for cancer patients to speak, so it is new and, potentially, earth-shatter for those pateints) then you'd understand why this is important. Not understanding something is not a reason to treat it like a scam.
This is TH-cam call someone out put them down with out confronting them. The problem with young people today is that it's easier to do it from home on your computer at home instead of face to face.
This person seems to be spineless, and trying to use The Charismatic Voice to gain attention.
I've got a suggestion for your next reaction video. SIMPLY THE BEST by TOMMY JOHANSSON of Sweden. He does a great metal version. Both Bonnie Tyler and Tina Turner did this song, and yet Tommy does it better.
ooo good idea!!!!
thanks scott!!!
@@offthecufff How about HOLDING OUT FOR A HERO by ADAM LAMBERT. He does a great punk-rock version.
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Singing cannot cure cancer, nor any other horrible disease. It might be able to help you relieve stress. However, that's a far cry from curing a disease.
i totally agree!!! and i feel like maybe its not thaaattt deep because people have free will can donate if they choose to but i just felt so strongly about the wording in this and felt like i needed to speak my perspective! but thanks for understanding!!!!
you're a real one 💜
That's not what she claimed. Her goal seems to be trying to find a way to use false vocal folds to speak, for those who've had cancer-related surgeries that left them unable to speak with their own voice. She made this clear in her own video, but this guy is intent on misrepresenting her goals, because he's an angry internet troll.
Which is why at NO point is there a claim made stating that singing cures cancer.
No, metal, nor any other type of music cannot cure cancer. It might be able to help relieve stress. However, it will never cure anything.
To be clear, many others have done many studies on the effects of singing and music on diseases. Elizabeth is not breaking any new ground on that front. Nor is she making any promises of results. She is quite simply a vocal music nerd, lovably so, and knows that those pre-existing studies only include normal singing, the 'true' vocal folds. She is fascinated with false fold sounds, vocal fry, metal roaring, etc., and is merely proposing studying those sounds also, to better understand these structures of the upper larynx and the sounds they make, in hopes of contributing to the larger body of science about singing and disease. Simple scientific data-gathering and vocal studies, sticking cameras down throats, measuring electrostatic responses in muscles, analyzing the sounds with special vocal software, etc. It's unfortunate that some have honed in on her mention of cancer and disease, but those are simply her long-term aspirations as a vocal music nerd for this general area of scientific inquiry, not some kind of snake-oil promise of singing metal and curing your cancer. I think this video is extremely unfair to what she said, and what many of her fans who have watched her videos for years, who know and love her, believe she meant.
And NO ONE has made the claim that music will cure cancer. No one.
To the title question, is Elizabeth a scammer? No, most emphatically not. I think your outrage at her campaign lies in misunderstanding its goals. It's all about the most low-level data-gathering of false-fold phonation. The tie-ins to cancer or other diseases and music lie in the fact that normal vocal-fold singing has been looked at exclusively in those studies. Elizabeth is fascinated by false vocal fold sounds, what you might think of as 'throat singing' or 'vocal fry' (really, the entire anatomy of making vocalizations), and since others have studied singing's effects on various diseases, she hopes to add to that body of knowledge, her altruism about music carrying the hope that this type of phonation can also yield those kinds of benefits. This Kickstarter campaign simply funds that false fold phonation research, and any mentions of disease research are simply her long-term aspirational goals for the knowledge she hopes to gather. It is for these basic vocal research reasons that she does not in fact promise a cure for cancer, and why she studies the voices of healthy individuals. She's not making the leap that you seem to think she is, that someone with cancer can sing a song and have their next cancer scan come up clean. This is the lowest of low-level research, like cataloguing a hundred thousand Amazonian frogs or something as a grindingly scientific approach to the next big drug trial. There is no end-to-end promise being made here. This is phonetic research into the upper laryngeal structures only, with the hope of someday contributing to the base of knowledge about singing and disease, because this type of 'throat singing' if you will has not been included to date in those types of studies. Perhaps before launching into a fellow (and much more widely-known) TH-camr like this, a better approach would be to simply ask her for an interview, with an open mind, and fair warning of the skepticism. There's no one nicer, and I'm sure she could allay any concerns. Because Elizabeth really is 'good people'.
this is totally dishonest for what shes claiming in the actual campaign
which by the way i read and put on the screen as i was reading it
@@offthecufff No it isn't, you're just an angry internet troll who's likely done nothing good for anyone else in your life. So, seeing someone else doing something good upsets you, because it makes you feel bad about your lack of good deeds.
I like Elizabeth's analyses and she certainly knows about vocal techniques. Recently her thumbnails in my feed have looked like sone sort of solicitation and, in fact, I have not watched any of those. I hadn't followed any of the stuff she is now doing but its interesting you decided to. I have watched many more of her videos than yours, but essesntially I will only watch future videos from TCV if they ate artists I love. The habit of saying "First Time Hearing" is really irritating. Many reactors do dtuff from the 70s that I just dont believe they have never heard On the other hand, if you did a 10 minute reaction to The Poet and the Pendulum, I wouldn't even start watching it. It couldn't do justice. Wouldn't even be enough to play the song.
using cancer as your selling point isn’t a joke. i have a severe thyroid disease and had cancer. singing does nothing for me and screaming would just hurt me in the long run. i don’t get it.
RIGHT! like can this grifting and exploitation just STOP
I'm very sorry for your health issues, and I also have been diagnosed with 2 forms of cancer, plus one potentially pre-cancerous condition. I do not believe Elizabeth is saying to sing, even with vocal fry, and cure one's cancer. She's talking about scientific studies connecting music and disease, and contributing to that body of knowledge by studying so-called 'false fold' singing techniques. But it's at the data-gathering stage of science only, and nowhere near an end-to-end promise of anything. It's simply meant to understand the upper larynx in singing better, with long-term aspirations that the knowledge might be able to advance the singing/disease studies that have been done. I don't see what she has said as the sort of direct-result promise that's being assumed in this video.
Then you do not understand what her actual goal is. Maybe go and watch her explanation, and then come to your own conclusions, instead of allowing this troll to taint your opinion with false accusations.
I have seen some people on Reddit say these comments about cancer were "jokes" or not meant to be serious but they definitely are as you can see she has centered the entire Kickstarter campaign around doing research regarding illnesses and cancer and whether singing can cure or prevent these illnesses. The "research" she's doing cannot logically come to a real scientific conclusion because she is testing HEALTHY individuals. If you look into other studies done regarding this topic, because this is not new at all, they do their tests on people with said illnesses to see if it helps. The only thing any studies have found is that music therapy MAY help morale and stress levels in sick individuals. But these are diseases and illnesses we are talking about that take a physical toll on people's health and not just mental health. This whole thing is set up to seem like it is doing "research" for these illnesses when in reality it is just a project she is trying to work on. If she wasn't trying to frame it as curing illnesses to get more donations than this wouldn't be considered a full "scam" but it truly is by definition a scam as she is lying regarding the research. I'm just trying to raise awareness because I feel strongly about this since I directly am living with someone who affected by these illnesses and she's exploiting that for donations for a project. Anyway, you can make your own conclusions. Here's my source regarding her kickstarter: www.kickstarter.com/projects/tcvresearch/harsh-vocal-research-with-the-charismatic-voice Here's a CNN article from 2016 proving this is not new research and also proving that this has only ever been shown to improve mental health for the patients and as you can see per the article they tested actual sick people and not healthy individuals: www.cnn.com/2016/04/08/health/singing-cancer-study-irpt/index.html Here's another study regarding this as well where the conclusion they came to is that it helps mental health but no mention of physically curing cancer or illnesses: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6326295/ You have free will to do what you want but this really rubbed me the wrong way. Let me know your thoughts below!
You really do not understand the point of this research, and it shows. To me, it's clear you're just baiting her viewers for clout. Grow up, man. This is sad, really...
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Cant wait for this!!! What do you think???🎉
Kim D is very influenced by Jonathan Davis and KoRn, you can definitely hear it, especially when scatting, but KoRn's first few albums, their tracks were all over the place.
Check out a live video by them next :) I recommend "Pit Of Consciousness" live in Kiev. It's just one of my favourites, but the audio quality is actually amazing on that one.
this collaboration didn't really sound like a collaboration. it sounded more like one large supergroup that has been playing together for years. they looked like they had a lot of fun doing this. this should be the new gold standard for future collaborations to follow.
W I N !!!!! 🎀 W I N !!!⚡I think we can just say, at their level, Band-Maid and The Warning are equal peers at the very top of the "Rock" pile. I’ve watched “Show Them” 50 times now and still haven’t been able to drop my eyes down to the lyrics.🤘😂 Thx, Alex! Btw -- I was just thinking: Band-Maid and The Warning, two very different bands, found something that would bring them together -- music! If only the people of the world could find something that would bring them together. I know... if peace and prosperity isn't enough, how about uniting for the very survival of our species! 🤔
To me it sounds like exactly what it is. A Perfect Blend between the two bands.
It's been a year since you reacted to Band Maid. Do you have another channel?
There was no dueling. They simply took turns playing and celebrating each other. I was at the show in Tokyo where they first debuted this song. The affection and respect was obvious live on stage.
🤘🔥🤘🔥🤘
There is definitely a lot going on and as already mentioned. It doesn't sound at all like TW to me. I like the song but would probably not be seeking out anything from either band if i didn't already know them.
Great reaction and breakdown. Glad you got it. It was a good blend of both styles not pulling strong to either direction. From the comments of some TWA and Maidiacs, saying it sounds like the other band...I say mission accomplished. 🤩 Keep on rocking! 🤘😆🤘
Kanami wrote the song in a stile that would be different from what any of the bands normally do. Miku then wrote the lyrics after the bands had agreed on a what is should be about. The first lyrics was then sent back and forth between all of them until everyone was happy with it and was sure it would mean the same thing in 3 different languages. Miku said it was changed so much, that it was not possible to recognize it once everyone had their say.
MISA MISA MISA!!!!! Ale Ale Ale!
Was lucky enough to be at their joint concert in Tokyo where they live debuted this song Also caught the premiere of this video too. Nice to get to read the lyrics on this one Really hoping that they release an official live video of this from that concert too!
I was there too!
🤘🤘
Dos buenas bandas pero los temas de The Warning se disfrutan mucho mas en vivo ,puedes ver el gran talento de Ale y todo lo que aporta al tema y Pau todo su potencia ,tremenda baterista fácil mente tocaría metal al 100 y aparte cantando
Absolutely awesome song and music video!! These eight ladies are amazing musicians! Viva Band-Maid and The Warning!! ⚡⚡⚡
It’s funny that BM fans think it sounds more like a TW song, and TW fans think the opposite. I guess that means they reached a healthy compromise in styles, which is maybe the same as what you’re saying. 😎👍
My favorite full-bands jam session song in a long, long time :)
So TW and B-M met at a US festival in 2022 and said they should collaborate. They got that opportunity this year. They went to Japan and played three shows, one with Band-Maid. TW traveled to Japan two weeks early to write/compose/record with B-M and record a MV. They then played it together at their one concert together. In an interview on the PRS channel, Kanami and Dany said that more collaborations are in the future. Kanami wants B-M to come to Mexico and and Dany wants the collab to be in Spanish. Dany and Kanami play similar PRS guitars in the same color.
I was at the show in Tokyo!
❤❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉lets goooo!!
Шок!!!💞💞💞💞💞💔
If I talk movies or anything, I'm going to talk about the good, bad or in between with these things and explain myself.
MAKE MOVIES ORIGINAL AGAIN
Hope you don't take offense at this, but you look just a teeny bit like Chris Stuckman, so it's bizarre watching you speak so sensibly while my subconscious perpetually whispers: He's not Chris Stuckman, he's a real person...
th-cam.com/video/ubGM6Kgzz6I/w-d-xo.html this is Chris stripped of his national guise
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I just wanted to speak my thoughts here! Let me know what you think about this?!
I just did a quick search of Stuckman, he seems to be doing extremely well, rubbing shoulders with big stars, no shit. He appears on shows with Elijah Wood and the like; I truly don't know what he's done to climb so high, but I can guess (it's no secret these days, and it's no coincidence that he came out as pan-sexual, whatever the fuck that means).
Oh my.... well,Jinjer is "jinjerish", they do Jinjer things. What does that mean? Well, every time you think you know them, what to expect to come next to hear in a song they simply change it! For the next Jinjer songs be prepared to entera rollercoaster, only sitting in a real rollercoaster you always know where to come out in the end. With Jinjer you never know!
You should check out VoicePlay's new cover of THE WAY YOU MAKE ME FEEL with Deejay Young. The harmonies are so smooth. Michael Jackson would be both proud and jealous. Also, check out Geoff's cover of the Marty Robbins classic BIG IRON. I don't think that Geoff is human anymore.
As you liste to more Jinjer, what you'll find is that they sound like a lot of metal and non-metal influances, but mostly they sound like Jinjer doing Jinjer Things! I'm interested to see your reactions to previous Jinjer albums and performances.
Nowhere near to SpiritBox.
That "rant" deserved a sub.
I just had this thought the other day... Especially when it comes to the drums, but with the band as a whole, Jinjer is probably the last great "acoustic" metal band in the world. They said years ago they will never write something they can't play with the instruments in their hands!
ooo yeah it shows and i really love that! im glad there's still bands out there in this genre who are putting the work in! they rock! i cant wait to dive into more! thanks for watching though :)
Maybe you're thinking of 'Guano Apes'? I think they've been an influence on them as well.