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Caught it on camera lol

Andrew paints? ;)

3rd edition pre-orders July 5!

great episode! gamecon was super fun! i had a blast!

I was a young warhammer player about 20 years ago and when I asked a guy what a unit did. He was playing the mercenaries army which was like a new thing at the time. He said they are melee specialists, so I flew my sorcerer to their flank and on his turn he right faces and smokes him with this unit of what turned out to be pistoleers. That guy was and probably still is a dick and a liar. I have always remembered it.

Timestamps: 12:36 Cat wash 14:18 Cat turns and settles again

Sage advice

happy to see cool local folks doing cool narratives!

CSM?.. SM?.. DRUHKARI? So many choices

My bugs are ready for Armageddon

6:58 Ayo WHAT bruh?! 🤔

I'm excited, I just hope the IJA/IJN don't hit with the Nerf bat too much.

Just started hungarians, really love the models and the colors are different from the normal uniforms/camos which is refreshing to paint.

A big reason why people don’t “paint for fun” anymore is because the hobby is so expensive, it can be hard to justify buying a model without being able to actually use it on the table top. That’s why I love skirmish games so much, like 40k Killteam, or starwars legion’s shatterpoint. Because of the low cost on entry, it’s a lot easier on the wallet to build multiple different factions.

10ed is definitely not that fun to play; everything feels too samey and it boils down to who can fish for the most 6s. Positioning will always be important, but being in the right position means nothing when you either cannot hit, cannot wound, or cannot get through a save due to terribly written special rules or stratagems. 9th had some fun parts but there was waaaaaaaaaay too much to keep track of during the game. See stratagems and stacking faction and subfaction special rules. I didn't play from late 6th to all of 8th, so view my opinion through that lens. The height of 40k was 4th-5th edition, IMHO. Yes there were some issues but the game as a whole was just so much more fun to play, and factions all had a distinct identity beyond "we fish for 6s in a slightly different way."

As WS player whose 3500pts and 99% (have one legal model) l can say that w40k, after the sm codex , became extremly unfun.

I play about two games of 40K per year, and almost every time I come away thinking that I didn't really enjoy it. Warhammer Ancients, and in particular The Old Word, I enjoy much more, and a large part of that is that the rules don't lean towards rapid destruction of one side or the other. Battletech I play about eight or nine games per year, and even this weekend where I couldn't score a hit for love nor money, I had a great time, because there are active decisions to make throughout the playing time. In 40K if you've not got the first turn there's a better-than-even chance that you're already lost, and the lethality of the game makes every mistake or misplay crushing. I don't enjoy being on either side of that equation.

I left after the LoV launch debacle and never looked back

EDMONTON?! HI 😊

In order to have fun while losing, it has to be close. If you kill a third of my units in turn one before i get to move, thats game. We can scoop and reset, or we can play it out but the result will be inevitable and thus pretty unenjoyable. If we play a game that genuinely comes down to turn 5, that's fun. Part of this is making sure the person or people you play with understands what level of competitiveness you want to have, and them *actually* bringing something appropriate. Too many times while playing mtg i would go to a casual game night and 3/4 of my matchups would literally be whatever was in the top8 at the most recent protour. We narrative players need safe spaces with high fences to keep the zero sum must win players out 😂

You might enjoy the new MCDM game. You never miss! Isn't that FUN?!

Another commenter wrote that 40K is a dice-driven card game, which it is. IMO, they need to accept and lean into that. A "competitive army" should be built the same as a magic deck - pulling from the entire range of GW products that have synergistic, and often unintentional, effects. Given the popularity of MTG, GW probably realizes this, but, other than the hobby aspect, it becomes hard to justify the use of models in the first place. So what can you do with a model that you can't do with a card? Answer -- terrain effects - include them as part of the "list build."

I found some awesome space elf STL's and I'm about to use them to dive into One Page Rules

Once you play a variety of TT wargames you see what trash 40K is. The more serious you take the game the less fun it is.

Hate these channels that just whinge. YOU are whats wrong. Its boring. If you dont like it youre free to do something else.

Love the video! Playing salamanders, my lists almost always change from game to game and love to add in uncommon units just to try them out, earlier I even brought an allied knight just to try him out

If you’re not having fun with 40k, it’s because you aren’t an Ork player

Warhammer is a lot of fun. You all described how the stages the game is fun for 100's of hours BEFORE you even get to place your models across your opponent. Hell, even the social "haggling" about rules, terrain, True Line of Sight, tilted dice and other vague outcomes in a competitive match is fun, ESPECIALLY if you're losing and your opponent shows a lot of grace. 40k has never been more fun, because raw models are mattering less and format + sportmanship matters more. 40k is a social game now, it's about "clubs", leagues, helping each other, reading-lists, placements, nerding about stats, extra-activities and community like any hobby "sport". If you just go to college basketball training only to dunk the ball for 2 hours while ignoring everyone and then go home then it's not going to be fun.

The most fun I've had in 40k by far is doing this: Doing whatever I think is fun and rolling with it. My absolute favorite thing to run atm is Death Korps of Krieg, infantry ONLY. You can squeeze out 150 bodies + 30 cav in a 2000 point game. Now I know what you're thinking: "I can't get it in under 2000 points, how're you doing this", well here is the party you need to understand: Turn off your competitive brain. Turn off any sense of self preservation. Embrace the Helldivers 2 mentality, embrace glorious battle in the sense of thousands of flashlights blinding your enemy, as we are running: 6x 20-man squads of DKoK Infantry, each with 2x flamers and 2x meltaguns for 120 infantry 3x 10-man squads of death riders, each ridemaster with 1 plasma pistol 1x Death Korps Marshall 3x DKoK Death Rider Commissars 3x DKoK Death Rider Squadron Commander (each leading a squad) Now it is at this point you must decide: Full Monkey Brain? Or Not? Half-baked army: 2x additional Death Korps Marshalls 3x DKoK Command Squads 3x DKoK Heavy Weapon Squads Or: Full Monkey Brain: No additional Marshalls No Command Squads 4x 20-man Infantry Squads each with 2 Heavy weapon Squads included, each including whichever weapon (Lascannons), with both special weapons members having a Meltagun or Flamer, both sergeants carrying power weapons, because at this point you may have realized that we are NOT keeping these squads in the back. Instead, we are *charging* with these squads, because apparently, currently, taking a heavy weapon squad does not increase the points value of the squad (WHY?) and you get a free lascannon or 2! ;) If you choose not to do this approach, take 3x 10-man DKoK Grenadier Squads (I know, they're legends), add only 1 heavy weapon squad per, and best get to steppin son because we are CHARGING!!! And I believe there are enough points left over for a spare squad of something. First list: 1995 pts Second list: 1990 Third list: should be around 1840 points The point? There is no point. Just have fun! (My Space Marines list is literally just: bring as many dreadnoughts as I can fit into the points... Yes I have 6k points in Dreads... Yes I will field them... No I am not kidding, this is how I play.

Playing for narrative moments is my fun in the game. Go for the crazy thing to happen!

GW needs to have a slice of Battletech: Dark Age level of humble pie to get the Share holders and Management to respect their customers for Warhammer to be good. But as of now, they coast on the power of Sunk Cost Fallacy to keep making money off of games that are the table top equivalent to the new Madden NFL video games.

Modern 40k is a card game with expensive miniatures as avatars, not a wargame. Once you see it...

40k hasn't been fun for a long time. Too much to keep track of, too many "gotcha!" moments to worry about, too many absurd combos due to bad rules writing. The Old World is pretty damn tight for a WHFB ruleset, and I've been having a great time. Probably the most fun I've had gaming since Warmachine mk2. Additionally, you're right. Armies need to feel unique. Making them more same-ish for the cause of competitive balance can sacrifice a lot of whimsy that makes the game "fun"

40 K has become unplayable. GW has no idea how to write rules. It’s all about selling models. Cheers to one page rules!

I like you guys talking about your hobby and pumping each other up about paint jobs etc but we can't see that shit, PLEASE put pics while you're talking about it

With all (most) of the rules coming from a marketing perspective instead of a making a better game perspective and the E-sports, ultra hardcore competitive scene bleeding into everyone's games, it seems like 'the death of fun'. We as a play group have had a dilemma but we have side stepped the Meta chasing and just created a fun dynamic 'Fun before rules' never "That pesky Fun getting in the way of my Rules".

That's why you play AoS 😊

Why are the windows with your faces so small?

What I find fun is successfully casting "Treason of Tzeentch" against my opponents Librarian and having it blow up a rhino ;) Also, I find that what happens with so many of the table top war / rpg's is they keep watering down the difficulty or game play in order to reach the largest customer base possible and then loose what made them fun and unique to play as opposed to a reskin of the same game that every other company has.

i can 100% lose and have fun infact almost every time i play i have fun, i play for fun mine and my opponents.

40K is completely hot money driven garbage!

what is fun in 40k? after many years i think i cracked it... it's Da Boyz. orkz. U win iz a gud fight! U lose iz a gud fight. Waaagh. in fact i MUST jump into orkz

Considering i cannot get ANY pf the rulebooks in Canada atm, its pretty hard to stay interested and i have dwarves and warriors of chaos armies at 3k points atm on shelves

I like 3d printing for making the army yours.. like shoulder pads icons.. maybe a character, but im against printing ENTIRE armies that look exactly the same as as the models gw produces.

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Some differences then I remember from back in the day.

This sounds like the start of some serious fun! Played WFB back in the day and enjoyed it a fair bit.

Great stuff guys, I've been playing lots of admech and the best I've managed is a 4-1 at a local event which I was happy with. Breachers are life 😊

As a complete newbie to Admech and 10th, (used to play in 2nd-6th) this was a great listen. Thankyou!

When Andy & Jason are together it's always pure gold. Also fun hearing about black powder! Hope to hear more about your campaign