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taj83
เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 13 ส.ค. 2006
Hutton Sabre Fencing
AD (starting on the right) and myself (on the left) fencing with my Hutton Sabres at Milton Keynes Fencing Club.
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Singlestick Fencing
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Adrian (starting on the left) and myself (on the right) doing a little singlestick fencing at Milton Keynes fencing club. Adrian has asked me to point out that this was at the end of a long session, so neither of us are necessarily at our best in this one!
Quarterstaff (Sort of...)
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Jack and I at the Sealed Knot event at Belvoir Castle, using George Silver's little known 'Big padded stick thingy whilst standing on a very small and very wobbly platform' system. Apparently it was a tie, but I'm pretty sure I won! (Incidentally, I'm the one who starts furthest from the camera, Jack starts with her back to it.)
Singlestick Fencing. Jack vs Simon
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Jack and Simon (On the left and right respectively) fencing with singlesticks. I imagine that Jack is happy she's wearing a mask!
Singlestick Fencing Simon vs Myself
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Simon and I (With my back to the camera) fencing with singlesticks. Hussah for knee and elbow pads!
Hutton Sabre Fencing
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Simon and I going at it with the Hutton Sabres. In this video, you will see myself (on the right) being reminded why I normally wear elbow pads for this sort of thing (twice), and one painfully amusing/amusingly painful double thrust to the shoulder.
Singlestick Fencing 3
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Simon and I going at it with sticks again. I'm still in my full padding, while Simon eschews such wussy nonsense and takes it on the skin!
Hutton Sabre Fencing
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Jack and I fencing with Hanwei Hutton sabres. We're both wearing our full gamut of padding (recently completed) for this one, including chest protection and knee and elbow pads.
Sword Fighting
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Simon (in the breastplate) and myself (in the rather dashing singlet) fencing (more or less) according to the rules of the Sealed Knot (English Civil War Re-enactment). We also throw in a little bit of George Silver.
Greatstick 2
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Simon (in blue, on the left) and I (in black, on the right) doing some more Greatstick ala Hutton's Cold Steel. Towards the end, I manage to get a French Head Parry in, but it's quite hard to see.
Quarterstaff Fencing
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Jack (on the left) and I fencing with quarterstaffs. I'm using Phillips-Wolleys quarterstaff style, and she's using something more like McCarthy. Stuart adds occasional commentary.
Single-Stick Fencing
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Stuart (on the left) and I, doing a bit of single-stick fencing. We're both using a 19th century broadsword style. (Attempting at least!)
Ah, the perfect combination of Hema and Olympic fencing
this is so good and so fun to watch! you guys make a great pairing
Reminds me of saber fencing but you can target the whole body.
Now THIS is Stick-Fencing.
Good
excellent fencing, though maybe you should've had some back of head protection in retrospect
This right here is what modern sabre fencing should become.
Indeed
taj, is this more hutton or allioson-winn? if not what system/era?
A bit of both. You can see that we both use the low hanging guard, which Allinson-Winn recommended, but Hutton disliked, but I also used Hutton's medium guard a couple of times too. Either way, late 19th century.
Beautiful flow from you two
You guys should do more of this! Freaking great!
This video make me sur that the sport fencing is no big different from the historical
At your club you do sport and hema fencing? I wish my fencing club was this open about trying new styles
Can you tell me where you get the rattan? I'm in the UK and have some Purpleheart baskets. I just don't know where to find the right diameter rattan.
The sticks I originally used were rattan jo staffs, so they're 1 inch in diameter. They're sawn down to 40 inches. I got them from a martial arts supplier on ebay. I had to buy replacements more recently though, and had to go via a different online shop, and the sticks are slightly thicker. About 1.2 inches. Given the choice, I'd go for the thinner ones.
Bugger. I have Purpleheart Armoury's plastic Stryker basket hilts. The biggest they'll fit is 22mm, or 7/8ths of an inch.
Purpleheart Armory should have very affordable 3/4" rattan you can use, if the shipping is not to inconvenient.
@@taj83 taj are you using allanso-winn or hutton for the single stick?
@@elric111 A bit of both. You can see that we both use the low hanging guard a lot, which Allanson-Winn preferred but Hutton disliked, but I also use Hutton's middle guard a couple of times too.
Single-stick does actually exist. Learned it in my youth as a martial artist. My weapon of choice, taught to me by my Japanese / Filipino Instructors in Karate in the 70's. The Kobudo Bo a (short staff) weapon uses a technique with a mix of Eskrima and Nunchaku offensive moves primarily to overcome an attacker quickly and with deadly force. At the time I never could afford a long staff and Nunchaku's were illegal at the time. So we modified and adapted and Art for self-defense on the streets. Be a smaller man I humbly call it an equalizer. It’s what we learned out of necessity. "Walk softly and carry a big stick" Respectfully Sifu Dennis Stewart
Dennis Stewart, Filipino single stick is very different to western single-stick. This was used as a training weapon for the backsword, broadsword and sabre, so sort of the later western equivalent of a bokken.
Exchange at 3:49 -- What a rush!! I enjoyed watching this. Great job both fencers!
singlestick is my absolute favorite
Beautiful form! Great stuff to watch
how's that leg feeling?
nice, but sabers are much too light - real Hutton fencing looks indeed more like the polish style..
Well, we're using the Hanwei reproduction Hutton sabres here, so in terms of the actual weight, they're (or should be) about right. In terms of the style, Hutton was attempting to blend English backsword and Italian duelling sabre. I'm not an expert on Polish sabre, so I don't know if they'd have looked similar or not.
Singlestick actually exists? Though Sherlock had made it up....
greetings sherlock lovers
In which book did he mention it, I'm on the last story of The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes, pretty much almost done with the series.
MediaevalJames Not in the book, but in the TV-series Elementary, he gets quite obsessed with it.
Jannick E Ah I see, cause in the book it only makes mention to his skilled swordsmanship.
MediaevalJames I haven't read the books, so I wouldn't know. But there is 3 seasons of Elementary of Netflix, I highly recommend you watch it if you are a Sherlock fan!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the way the Highlander officers in the British army used to train? They used basket hilt broadswords and wasn't this the training weapon for it?
It was yes, although having said that, it was the way British officers generally trained to use the sabre or backsword, and the way sailors trained to use the cutlass, so it's not specific to the Highland regiments.
+taj83 Thanks!
Yup, or at least it started that way. I’m not sure what happened after that.
people in the comments here don't seem to understand singlestick. it is a HEMA sport wherein the sticks are to represent any backsword, and all target areas are valid. the stick slides freely within the basket, and provided you let the stick slide through your grasp, no injury is dealt to the victim.
nice drilling m8s, guy on the right had his form down. most people don't know Singlestick is for broadsword fencing, Olympic saber rules aren't applied. they're both for backswords, but they're not the exact same.
what sabre is that ?
+big bang They're Hanwei Hutton Sabres.
Very impressive. I like the control and the feeling for the distance. How you make the baskets? Do you have a tutorial for it?
+Erkan Mete Hi, Thanks very much. The fact that we're both primarily sports fencers probably helps with the distance and timing. I bought the baskets from Purple Hearts Armoury in the USA (www.woodenswords.com) They're very sturdy. I've had them for years, and gone through a lot of sticks, but the guards are still good.
nice & controlled fencing
Out of curiosity, why has singlestick as a discipline continued using the singestick? Why not steel wasters? It better approximates the weight and balance of a backsword or broadsword, correct?
True enough, and at least 2 writers said that blunt metal training swords were preferable due to having an actual edge, and due to the weight. Historically (19th century anyway), they were used as a 'beginner weapon' to teach basic technique before students were let loose on the metal versions. I suspect that it evolved into it's own sport because they're much cheaper than metal training swords, and safer to use full-force, and they're still a very useful training tool.
taj83 Ahh I see, very reasonable progression. I didn't mean to imply they weren't a useful training tool by any means, only curious as to their continued use by obviously very talented practitioners. Thanks!
Singlesticks were made to be expendable and cheap. That's why the hilt isn't actually connected to the basket, it was made so that if the stick were to fraucture you could just take it out and put in a new stick without having to wait for a new sword to be made.
Probably a mix of cheaper equipment, safer practice, and swords falling out of favor for civilian and military use with developments in firearms. Walking sticks however remained common well into the Edwardian period.
looks impressive! How suitable fencing masks and equipment for this kind of combat? they're designed to protect against piercing, not hits.
Thank you! In terms of masks, absolutely fine. The sticks are rattan, so not as heavy as you might expect, and because the majority of hits are blows, and even the thrusts are with a much wider point there's less force per square inch than from, say, an epee. In terms of jackets etc, like I say the sticks are reasonably light, and we're both pretty controlled so injury isn't really a problem (although admittedly I took a rather painful knock to my knee during this bout!). In some of the older singlestick videos we were going at it absolutely full whack, and wore BMX pads to protect our kness and elbows in addition to the fencing kit, and found that to be more than sufficient.
We use conventional fencing masks in my kali class and they have held up for years against rattan sticks as well as aluminum knives & swords. And we usually hit harder than the sparring session shown here. They are impressively durable. Very nice form btw.
Where would one go to buy singlesticks like this?
It depends where you are. The ones being used here are leather guards bought from Purplehearts Armoury in the US, fitted with shortened rattan jo staffs. They do complete stick as well. In the UK, Macdonald Armouries also produces them.
Amatuers fighting with long quarterstaff on a farm with fencing masks and gloves.
What would you say is the average weight of your singlesticks? Thanks.
Greetings! Glad you like it. I had no idea how much they weigh, so I've just weighed them, and they're both almost exactly the same weight, which is 0.57 Kg/1.25 lbs. It's interesting, since one is rather thicker than the other. It's also lighter than I'd have guessed. For the record, the sticks are made of rattan, are 40 inches long, and about 1 inch, and 1.2 inches in diameter.
Great stuff
I can DIG IT!
Where can I get those singlesticks? I've been looking all over the web :(
Kult of Athena
Where can I learn more about ?
its single stick mate, no right of way rule and no limited target zone
What are these sticks standing in for? sabre,cutlass maybe? Whats the time period that this came about?
What fencing masks are you guys using? Just curious what kind of fencing mask could stand up to a Qstaff swing at full blow, combined with the thrusts. Looking at getting my group into quarterstaff stuff
That is "The Old Game", however "New Providence Rules" allow you to move anywhere, and have very few rules, and no score
Maybe I'm wrong because admittedly I'm not an expert, but I thought with singlestick you're supposed to plant your feet and hold your ground, and neither advance nor retreat
This is not sport fencing. This is hitorical fencing using a method created by a man who actually killed people in combat with said methods. I love Sport fencing but this is different. Plus like they said a thousand times the space was limited. Sport ferncing, as i'm sure you know goes back and forth. This is done in the round, so confined space makes it awkward.
Hi guys, are there any training manuals for this stuff? I've recently started training as a SK musketeer and I'm trying to brush up on sword work, and the use you guys have with you left hand...well I'd like to learn about it :D Are there any manuals new or old on this stuff?
@jimban86 At least one school of thought says that the term 1/4 staff referred to the 1/4 mark is between the hands which makes this perfect. What is typically thought of as 1/4 staff fighting s actually 1/2 staffing. The confusion in the names comes from the fact that theatrcal plays that included scenes with "1/4 staff" fighting didn't have stages big enough for actual 1/4 staff work, so they shortened to a 1/2 staff position and called it 1/4 staff anyways. It has carried on since.
@benziel I agree very little footwork or athleticism or skill shown
very nice work gentlemen
Shit..! polish style is much better.
Have you done any type of fencing?
@taj83 a "quarter" staff would be surely a quarter of the large 22'-25' pikes/greatstaves? so 5.5-6 foot. but sure they are staffs they certainly aren't much taller than the user.
hopefully you realize some hits were off target and it seemed like you were totally ignoring the rule of right of way (which does apply in saber, and it looked like you were trying to use saber based on your hands).
well done tj
@aspengrey Hi ther. The sticks are made from rattan jo-staffs cut down to the right length (40 inches in this case). The guards are the leather ones made by Purple Heart Armoury.