I remember in may e late 70s/early 80s when there was a tv show that pitted elite athletes against male ballet dancers. The dancers had phenomenal strength, power, stamina and agility and they beat the athletes in almost every category. The sportsmen were very impressed.
I studied dance as a male dancer a long time ago and had to stop because of hip problems. I watch this video with great interest and nostalgia... What concerns me a lot: I actually find in this video with these wonderfully athletic, powerful men that there are many moments where the men and their movements have something very feminine about them (especially Nureyev, when it is said of him how he promoted masculinity in dance). Well, certainly 70-80% of male dancers are gay. It's a pity that this fact is so (shamefully?) ignored here and that the unconditional masculinity (whatever that is) has to be emphasised. The only man in this video who speaks directly about his sexual orientation is straight - and he is certainly an exception. It's also a bit of a mystery to me that ballet actually attracts a lot of gay men. And at the same time, and this film shows this so wonderfully, ballet is a high-performance sport at this level. I find the statement that male ballet combines athleticism and grace extremely fitting and beautiful, that sums it up for me :-) To put my question (I feel that I have one 🙂) another way: I'm sure that even the men who are so very athletic here are gay more often than average and I still wonder why that is so and criticise the fact that it is so prudishly excluded in this film. That's it.
I remember hearing an interview done by Ballanchine and he said, "ballet is women". So it's interesting to see a whole cast of male ballet dancers only. Hmmmm
Ballet is bloody difficult. There was one guy at my school and guess who went on to international success.....
21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา
How did I miss that ridiculous ignorant American TV presenter disrespecting a Prince of the United Kingdom and future King, and above all, a small boy. That’s bullying a small boy. It’s seems it’s an American thing. Wasn’t she suspended or fired? What a piece of work she is.
Ballet dancers usually start to decline in physical skill around age 35. That is how hard it is! It took me until age 69 to understand ballet by endless studying of Rudolf Nureyev. Until you willfully study this form of dance, you don't get it!
I was a professional ballet dancer for over 10 years. The way these men could lift me with such ease was amazing. ❤❤❤❤ I had 100% trust in these men. They are strong! Anyone who doubts them are weak and insecure. I would love to see any hater try to do what these men can do!
The elephant in the room in the ballet v. gymnast comparison is American men’s obsession with masculinity. Not true masculinity, where a guy is comfortable in his skin and has nothing to prove. I’m talking about the macho stereotype we all know: the strong, silent type. Such guys are too insecure about their masculinity to even be in the AUDIENCE at a ballet performance. They know never to show emotion, unless it is mindless fury resulting in their beating the crap out of somebody. Definitely not ballet material, macho guys by nature consider themselves above those around them. As such, macho men are more like opera singers. You know, divas
I'm reminded of my military training back in the day, the regimentation of the training ... of course the difference is that when we completed our training life would pretty much return to an acceptable level of daily life - these dancers will be training at one level or another for their entire lives - even past their retirement. What a commitment! Respect.
For those who would create new works for male dancers, I recommend the book: King, Warrior, Magician, Lover--by Robert Moore. It's based on the positive and negative expressions of masculine archetypes. Moore was a Jungian and a fascinating teacher.
I was very impressed with this. Glad to know what goes into it all, especially for the men. Steven McRae's achilles tendon injury reminded me of what my bro-in-law discovered when he got the same injury just lying in a hospital bed recovering from pneumonia---that fluoroquinolones (a class of pharmaceuticals) used in fighting infections can cause spontaneous ruptures like that. It took a while before warnings came on to the pill bottles, and I'm not sure all docs know that yet.
When females are watching males dance. they are not watching the dancing. they are looking at their package . I know this for a fact. After all I'm a female to
I am studying Art now...and Ballet dancer are my absolute favorites when it comes to Figuredrawing! They are art in Person! Flow, muscles, gesture, flow, grace...everything! Wonderful!!! And let me also say this......as a visual Artist you're supposed to study your subject very much...and at this point I am pretty much convinced that Ballet Dancers could kick open a locked Car door! They are STRONG 🤯
Those dance belts they showed at the beginning of the bit are very padded. I am a dancer and I have worn many dance belts and none of them have had the amount of padding that were shown by the dancers here. Those dance belts are very padded. AND THE QUESTION SHOULD BE....why are you asking a question about what makes a man masculine and why do you feel, as the person asking the question, that what another man does makes him less of a man, less masculine? A man is a man due to his own idea of his identity. Period.
Lara Spencer, has ridiculed children for being different in the past, I really don't know why she is still working at ABC or any other TV station. Shortly before this incident happened she started to say something ( her personal opinion* ) about a news report on a boy who was a little effeminate, but, you could see that someone was making motion to her to shut up. It was very obvious to me, so why do they keep her on ? No one ever says anything about a girl who is a Tomboy and believe me there are many. She needs to be removed ! * I believe that she was trying to shame the boy's parents, when she was told to shut up off camera.
Shame on Lara Spencer for trying to ridicule Prince George. Such bias and personal judgement. Lara should be dismissed of her job. It really shows her intellectual level is very low.
I have never thought of any ballet dancer to be anything less than the most ultra elite athlete on the planet. Forget Olympians. Ballet dancers have to do everything and then some. I've always envied them and have the deepest respect for what they do.
What about Steven McRae??? He and Muntagirov are the reasons I watch the Royal Ballet, but McRae can do *_ANYTHING!!!_* He’s a force of nature, just a gorgeous dancer.
Male ballet dancers are very strong, tough, masculine, romantic, and tender to the female dancer. The male dancer is very impressive. It is very exciting for women to watch male ballet dancers.
I took an 8th grade class to see a performance of the second act of "Giselle". It was a charity performance for inner city children. I briefed them on etiquette, behavior expectations, and the ballet story itself. I warned them that danseurs and danseuses were like athletes and the rigors of dance necessitated equipment for males just like sports, so giggling would not be tolerated. That said, their reaction was wonderful. Some of the cast came to them after the performance to talk to them about careers in ballet, their routines, etc. They even brought bits of their costumes so the class could see the toe shoes and the detail of their garb. I stayed in touch with that class over the years. They still talk about that day from time to time...35 years later.
Honestly, it’s really shocking to have heard Lara Spencer deride male ballet dancers in this day and age. Especially given she was on Antiques Roadshow, which might imply she’d appreciate the classical arts.
I dated a male dancer for a few months and it left me educated on just how much time, effort, pain, determination and will power is needed to succeed in dance whether male or female. It's truly a brutal industry populated by the passionate and talented at all levels.
Male dancers get laughed at for basically wearing a jockstrap? I mean a ton of athletes have to wear them to protect their stuff as well as keeping it out of the way so I don't get any criticism about that. They don't wear point shoes either but I do enjoy enjoy watching them, a lot of strength and grace.
My Dad played rugby, cricket, waterpolo, golf, athletics, cross country at school and said to me once that it's easy to do that, set time, rules etc. He said he wouldn't last 15 minutes in a ballet, because he wasn't strong enough, and didn't have the stamina.
I almost stopped at "preconceptions of masculinity". When I hear something like that, what I'm really hearing is Heterosexual males' immature conceptions of what it is to be a man, based upon some amalgam of the wild wild West, knights in armor, caveman masquerading as civilized human beings, machismo, and God knows what else. I'm not a dancer, but I was married to one. What it takes to be a dancer is superb athleticism, concentration and dedication beyond the powers of men, and a force of character, which we generally call discipline, generally speaking speaking not to be found in the general run of men. And let me tell you something as a gay man who is never done drag and never had the slightest interest in it, but also, as again a gay man who was an athlete in high school in college, successful wrestling coach, and leaves most men behind in the dust at 74 years old. It takes far more courage for men to walk down the street and dress and high heels than any number of one of the Nazi bullies could ever demonstrate when as a group, they attack him. And it takes far more courage than any of those pussies could ever gather up to be a ballet dancer, to demonstrate the force of character, the strength, the agility, and the grace that ballet requires.
Why would a seemingly intelligent woman (Sarah Spencer) say something about a talent as amazing and energetic and fit and a sport that is all time consuming as ballet ? She shouldn’t be doing her ‘career ‘/ stupid ignorant bloody broadcaster
Benny Hill and Carry on were actually funny - unlike a lot of 'modern' inoffensive 'comedy'. But also old fashioned ideas about male ballet dancers, who are fantastic.
I liked the rigour and discipline of ballet..I also thought all men would look like Nureyev..... unfortunately not .The"counselling"woman is enhancing negative thoughts, her language is very negative at best. . Get an nlp practitioner
I remember in may e late 70s/early 80s when there was a tv show that pitted elite athletes against male ballet dancers. The dancers had phenomenal strength, power, stamina and agility and they beat the athletes in almost every category. The sportsmen were very impressed.
I studied dance as a male dancer a long time ago and had to stop because of hip problems. I watch this video with great interest and nostalgia... What concerns me a lot: I actually find in this video with these wonderfully athletic, powerful men that there are many moments where the men and their movements have something very feminine about them (especially Nureyev, when it is said of him how he promoted masculinity in dance). Well, certainly 70-80% of male dancers are gay. It's a pity that this fact is so (shamefully?) ignored here and that the unconditional masculinity (whatever that is) has to be emphasised. The only man in this video who speaks directly about his sexual orientation is straight - and he is certainly an exception. It's also a bit of a mystery to me that ballet actually attracts a lot of gay men. And at the same time, and this film shows this so wonderfully, ballet is a high-performance sport at this level. I find the statement that male ballet combines athleticism and grace extremely fitting and beautiful, that sums it up for me :-) To put my question (I feel that I have one 🙂) another way: I'm sure that even the men who are so very athletic here are gay more often than average and I still wonder why that is so and criticise the fact that it is so prudishly excluded in this film. That's it.
I remember hearing an interview done by Ballanchine and he said, "ballet is women". So it's interesting to see a whole cast of male ballet dancers only. Hmmmm
Ballet is bloody difficult. There was one guy at my school and guess who went on to international success.....
How did I miss that ridiculous ignorant American TV presenter disrespecting a Prince of the United Kingdom and future King, and above all, a small boy. That’s bullying a small boy. It’s seems it’s an American thing. Wasn’t she suspended or fired? What a piece of work she is.
Ballet dancers usually start to decline in physical skill around age 35. That is how hard it is! It took me until age 69 to understand ballet by endless studying of Rudolf Nureyev. Until you willfully study this form of dance, you don't get it!
I was a professional ballet dancer for over 10 years. The way these men could lift me with such ease was amazing. ❤❤❤❤ I had 100% trust in these men. They are strong! Anyone who doubts them are weak and insecure. I would love to see any hater try to do what these men can do!
The elephant in the room in the ballet v. gymnast comparison is American men’s obsession with masculinity. Not true masculinity, where a guy is comfortable in his skin and has nothing to prove. I’m talking about the macho stereotype we all know: the strong, silent type. Such guys are too insecure about their masculinity to even be in the AUDIENCE at a ballet performance. They know never to show emotion, unless it is mindless fury resulting in their beating the crap out of somebody. Definitely not ballet material, macho guys by nature consider themselves above those around them. As such, macho men are more like opera singers. You know, divas
I'm reminded of my military training back in the day, the regimentation of the training ... of course the difference is that when we completed our training life would pretty much return to an acceptable level of daily life - these dancers will be training at one level or another for their entire lives - even past their retirement. What a commitment! Respect.
Laura Spencer needs to keep her mouth shut, if she can't educate herself on what she's reporting.
For those who would create new works for male dancers, I recommend the book: King, Warrior, Magician, Lover--by Robert Moore. It's based on the positive and negative expressions of masculine archetypes. Moore was a Jungian and a fascinating teacher.
I was very impressed with this. Glad to know what goes into it all, especially for the men. Steven McRae's achilles tendon injury reminded me of what my bro-in-law discovered when he got the same injury just lying in a hospital bed recovering from pneumonia---that fluoroquinolones (a class of pharmaceuticals) used in fighting infections can cause spontaneous ruptures like that. It took a while before warnings came on to the pill bottles, and I'm not sure all docs know that yet.
When females are watching males dance. they are not watching the dancing. they are looking at their package . I know this for a fact. After all I'm a female to
This is WORSE than I even thought.
YEeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss! Go Men!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
I am studying Art now...and Ballet dancer are my absolute favorites when it comes to Figuredrawing! They are art in Person! Flow, muscles, gesture, flow, grace...everything! Wonderful!!! And let me also say this......as a visual Artist you're supposed to study your subject very much...and at this point I am pretty much convinced that Ballet Dancers could kick open a locked Car door! They are STRONG 🤯
I kept trying to stop watching but you kept throwing out another interesting side of these dancers that I could get away.
This also feels similar to male cheerleaders. Again they are stigmatized but those dudes can throw girls 10 ft into the air and catch them safely.
It’s an art and seems like a super hard to do. We need to break down these stupid pre conceptions.
Those dance belts they showed at the beginning of the bit are very padded. I am a dancer and I have worn many dance belts and none of them have had the amount of padding that were shown by the dancers here. Those dance belts are very padded. AND THE QUESTION SHOULD BE....why are you asking a question about what makes a man masculine and why do you feel, as the person asking the question, that what another man does makes him less of a man, less masculine? A man is a man due to his own idea of his identity. Period.
Lara Spencer, has ridiculed children for being different in the past, I really don't know why she is still working at ABC or any other TV station. Shortly before this incident happened she started to say something ( her personal opinion* ) about a news report on a boy who was a little effeminate, but, you could see that someone was making motion to her to shut up. It was very obvious to me, so why do they keep her on ? No one ever says anything about a girl who is a Tomboy and believe me there are many. She needs to be removed ! * I believe that she was trying to shame the boy's parents, when she was told to shut up off camera.
If you think Ballet is easy....it just tells people you're an idiot.
I think its excellent that prince george has booked for ballet
Shame on Lara Spencer for trying to ridicule Prince George. Such bias and personal judgement. Lara should be dismissed of her job. It really shows her intellectual level is very low.
Beautiful documentary. Thank you.
I have never thought of any ballet dancer to be anything less than the most ultra elite athlete on the planet. Forget Olympians. Ballet dancers have to do everything and then some. I've always envied them and have the deepest respect for what they do.
love ballet and it's such a strict and difficult regime for any woman or man. And yes, they are Olympian Gods - utterly glorious to watch.
You want to see AMAZING MALE DANCERS...Bring up Yaroslava (The Eclipse) presented by The Mariinsky Theater of St. Petersburg. AWESOME, JUST AWRSOME!!
Wow! What an energy!
Male dancers can outdo the athleticism of any major sports player.
What about Steven McRae??? He and Muntagirov are the reasons I watch the Royal Ballet, but McRae can do *_ANYTHING!!!_* He’s a force of nature, just a gorgeous dancer.
Unfortunately half of we Americans aren’t very bright or cultured because -the obvious -they voted for Trump twice . ( never me )
🌿✨️✨️👥️👥️👥️🕯👥️👥️👥️✨️✨️🌿
Male ballet dancers are very strong, tough, masculine, romantic, and tender to the female dancer. The male dancer is very impressive. It is very exciting for women to watch male ballet dancers.
Google Russian dancer, Ivan Vasiliev, Le Corsaire.
I took an 8th grade class to see a performance of the second act of "Giselle". It was a charity performance for inner city children. I briefed them on etiquette, behavior expectations, and the ballet story itself. I warned them that danseurs and danseuses were like athletes and the rigors of dance necessitated equipment for males just like sports, so giggling would not be tolerated. That said, their reaction was wonderful. Some of the cast came to them after the performance to talk to them about careers in ballet, their routines, etc. They even brought bits of their costumes so the class could see the toe shoes and the detail of their garb. I stayed in touch with that class over the years. They still talk about that day from time to time...35 years later.
Honestly, it’s really shocking to have heard Lara Spencer deride male ballet dancers in this day and age. Especially given she was on Antiques Roadshow, which might imply she’d appreciate the classical arts.
I love male ballet more than female ballet, men can do everything female dancers do and much more. They are olympic gods on stage.
I dated a male dancer for a few months and it left me educated on just how much time, effort, pain, determination and will power is needed to succeed in dance whether male or female. It's truly a brutal industry populated by the passionate and talented at all levels.
I hope Ms Spencer and her ABC cronies watch this. Such class. 🙄 😠 These boys and men are amazing. Watching a male dancer leaves me in awe. Amazing!!
The Russians never laughed. They think of them as athletic artists
Male dancers get laughed at for basically wearing a jockstrap? I mean a ton of athletes have to wear them to protect their stuff as well as keeping it out of the way so I don't get any criticism about that. They don't wear point shoes either but I do enjoy enjoy watching them, a lot of strength and grace.
My Dad played rugby, cricket, waterpolo, golf, athletics, cross country at school and said to me once that it's easy to do that, set time, rules etc. He said he wouldn't last 15 minutes in a ballet, because he wasn't strong enough, and didn't have the stamina.
I almost stopped at "preconceptions of masculinity". When I hear something like that, what I'm really hearing is Heterosexual males' immature conceptions of what it is to be a man, based upon some amalgam of the wild wild West, knights in armor, caveman masquerading as civilized human beings, machismo, and God knows what else. I'm not a dancer, but I was married to one. What it takes to be a dancer is superb athleticism, concentration and dedication beyond the powers of men, and a force of character, which we generally call discipline, generally speaking speaking not to be found in the general run of men. And let me tell you something as a gay man who is never done drag and never had the slightest interest in it, but also, as again a gay man who was an athlete in high school in college, successful wrestling coach, and leaves most men behind in the dust at 74 years old. It takes far more courage for men to walk down the street and dress and high heels than any number of one of the Nazi bullies could ever demonstrate when as a group, they attack him. And it takes far more courage than any of those pussies could ever gather up to be a ballet dancer, to demonstrate the force of character, the strength, the agility, and the grace that ballet requires.
Why would a seemingly intelligent woman (Sarah Spencer) say something about a talent as amazing and energetic and fit and a sport that is all time consuming as ballet ? She shouldn’t be doing her ‘career ‘/ stupid ignorant bloody broadcaster
Benny Hill and Carry on were actually funny - unlike a lot of 'modern' inoffensive 'comedy'. But also old fashioned ideas about male ballet dancers, who are fantastic.
Never thought 2 cents about it. Ballet's just Aren't without Men. As well as a good cheer team.
I liked the rigour and discipline of ballet..I also thought all men would look like Nureyev..... unfortunately not .The"counselling"woman is enhancing negative thoughts, her language is very negative at best. . Get an nlp practitioner
Theyoung blokes need to relax their shoulders
Geezo this is shocking..bet that American girlie could not manage ballet.... just likes doing nails.....our guys are soooo strong ang physical.
Rudolf Nureyev ...most amazing man ever❤