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th-cam.com/video/iFKpIqIgQ9c/w-d-xo.html At this point in an almost exact situation in my case, I asked my loving shepherds, "If I was a study and I wanted to get baptized as a Jehovah's Witness and agreed with everything except this and I produced the reference material in original source that is used by the org relating to Stauros, would you still help me to dedicate my life to God and be baptized into the name Jesus and his Father, would you permit me to proceed and be baptised?". The answer was swift and immediate. NO. I offered Acts 2:38, 1Peter 3:21 and just said to them, "You would deny me potential salvation thru dedication and baptism on the grounds of a valid irrelevant difference on doctrine." Their answer.. "The congregation needs to be unified." Me: "Is this conformity or unity, because we know only one is rooted in love." How can a minor difference of understanding the instrument of Jesus death be an apostasy? I have to just laugh. I am so glad to be out!

Being a JW means don't think for yourself. Just believe everything we tell you.

I would not have answered these questions lovely these people that runs this organization is full of crap controlling you have to sit there and apologize and apologize like you're in a police interview just done something terribly wrong. And that's what they want is called fearing them they run an organization that prints books there are printing organization in a high control over people if they didn't have the people they wouldn't be able to control the printing think about that people I've been there done that

Jeremiah 6:14

They are the ones who put it out there, about it being a pole instead of a cross, they are the ones who planted the idea of rather it was this or that. Qe all have the right to know the truth...ill never step foot in another kingdom hall ever again! These people are absolutely disgusting

I know i kerp adding messsges, it just infuriates me...i can barely watch this, but its important to see the truth, ive recently been waking up, ive been a JW my whole life and im baptized, its been really hsrd to swallow what ive been learning. But im not shocked, ive always known something wasnt right.

You both answered these questions with love, patience, and integrity, they just keep trying to make you seem bad, no matter how you answer, seems to me, they have made up their mind, how dare you question anything, they are treating you like children, it just hard to watch, bless you both, its a shame you had to indure this, all because you had lunch with an old friend who may shine some light on questions you have, you have the right to ask questions, we all do!!!

Its disgusting how they are picking on yall, your grown adult's your obviously very loving, very good thinkers. Im so glad you got away

If this doesn’t sound like a controlling cult to you then what does?

My name is Travis, I live in louisiana. I just had a meeting eith the elders for I similar reason. I would love to talk to yall about yalls situation. If that would be something yall would do please let me know

I can’t stop thinking about Matthew 15:6-9 how Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for teaching their own manmade traditions and doctrines …. And how this elder is basically saying the same thing to you both… it’s our tradition as witnesses to do this … man made rules.

"Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?" - Is this to be understood as literal or a parable? Is this a literal person? Remember that a parallel verse is Luke 12:41 Then Peter said: “Lord, are you telling this illustration just to us or also to everyone?” 42 And the Lord said: “Who really is the faithful steward, the discreet one, whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time?"

They are so stuck with following the customs of men.

Thank you for sharing this. I left at age 12 after being held in a room for hours by 5 elders. The trauma of the experience has blocked out much of the experience so having this to listen to is validating and comforting. My "crime" was reporting sexual abuse by my brother who was quickly sent off to Bethal. My sister, the second witness, was labeled a disapproved associate and made to leave our home at 17. I am 50 now and 3 years into my journey of unraveling, healing, and finding peace. Much love to you and your family and demands gratitude for your bravery.

They literally just said that if you don’t abide by the ‘customary’ practices of a JW then you are an apostate. Wow!!!! Forget about truth seeking. They are painting themselves into a corner yet Yiu can hear in his voice he was quite pleased with himself for that point.

The absolute audacity of those elders. I’m nauseous.

I’m a lawyer since 14 years now and assisted to innumerable court hearings. This is a parody of something that means to be “judicial”: first hand the judge should precise exactly all the facts and then conclude how and to which extent the legal norm (here a Bible verse) applies to these facts. Neither the facts are established nor the Bible verse. Reading Proverbs 28:20 is just a bad joke as they’re not dealing with something hidden but an apparently known matter. Witnesses are not presented. One could go on. This shows how this Org lives in its own illusion and harms people thinking they represent the God of Justice. This is the well known pride all the clergy of JW has from uplevel to downlevel: without ANY formation or academic knowledge they think to be able to handle complicated judicial matters. A precondition to belong to the JW clergy is to NOT have any specialization because than Jehovahs spirit will deal with you because you are a “humble” person. Their way of thinking is so twisted and ridiculous most people wouldn’t believe it.

These are tge modern day equivalent of the Pharisees

These guys are so stupid.

They are trying to get you to say you're bad. They are rotten. They went in invested in condemning you both - that's so true.

I Love listening to that well behaved baby talking away😅the baby is making more sense than that elder😂

She loves him so much because she wears the pants😂

I dont recall i was 9 years old ha,ha,heee,heeee,😅

Kinda like what she said, what a whimpy man, he sounds like a weak sissy😅

Yea hes a SIMP, didnt stamd up like a Man to defend his position.

14:09 example… JESUS. Jesus was an apostate from Judaism. Jehovahs witnesses are also apostates because they splintered off from the Bible Students.

15:00 "Was it wrong to have lunch [with her]? Yeah maybe." Imagine how warped a religion's view of morality (or the teachings of Jesus) must be to think that it could possibly be "wrong" to have lunch with anyone.

The organization the organization the organization..... God didn't use an Organization to get the Truth to people. Man made religion, the organization. JWs are the Lost, anyone following a man made religion.

JWs are the Devil.......

Good God Almighty there it is, telling you who you can have lunch with and who you can talk to.

That made me cry for y'all. You handled it with dignity and grace. Thank you, for posting this and giving great questions and facts to pose.

1:15:06 BOOM 💥 Love how you reason‼️ Great point. I learned about that from Jason Zelda video. These Elders are so incompetent and cannot even clarify the stauros debacle. I’m convinced that all the intelligent JWs have left the organization and what’s left is zombies.

Wow. You 2 are one of the most insightful, intelligent and honest couples I’ve come across as a never was JW but married a born in/never baptized POMI. I heard your interview on another channel and that’s what led me to this video. I pray everyday for my CO Father in Law and Pioneer Mother in Law that they wake up and break their chains. This cult really does damage to every individual in which I notice there’s no personality. Their identity is being a JW. You both are an inspiration to me and I highly respect how you listen to your kids and recognize their talents. You 2 are truly soul mates and no one can come in between you 2 ever. Take Care and congratulations on your freedom! ❤

I love how you just walked out on them! 👍

Oops, they could tell you were no longer a blind followers. You had to go. I remember 74/75 when I was studying, we were told to question. Not now, it's sit down, shut up and listen.

Served as an Elder for over 24 years. All I suggested that Earth was not a Spinning, Wobbling, Teatering, Rotating, Spiraling Ball Flying through the Infinite Vacuum of Space. That afternoon I was asked to visit 2 of my fellow elders at the hall. When, as you said early in this excellent video, we're taught something from infancy, it's very difficult to start questioning the accuracy of that teaching. I personally chose to go down the rabbit hole. After all, I have 11 grandchildren and wanted to make sure that the truth would reach they're ears. The Nasa-Rite Religion completely contradicts the Bible & True Science. I asked to the brothers to present they're best evidence for this Spinning Ball Earth. That was 8 yrs ago. They have not reached out to us with any Scriptural or Scientific evidence. You folks handled yourselves superbly. All our kids and my wife & i left unscathed by these hypocritical Shepherds. Vancouver 🇨🇦

Jehovah witness are a freemasonry cult and I am a ex jw hi 👋🏻

Is Lacey a JW ?

You cant change your mind, but the so called uninspired gb do it, and blaspheme God in the process. I wonder how God feels when he hears his elders say he is a progressive undecisive God that changes, when God himself says he never changes! Who is the real apostate here. The ones that worry if you love Jesus more than those crazy men at occultic watchtower.

Thank you for this recording. I will now be looking for an Imperial Bible dictionary for my library. Never was I taught growing up to check the references Watchtower added to their publications. My parents taught us to just regard everything as true. It’s so refreshing to have access in this decade to information. I left JW’s back in 1985, disassociated myself. Did’t write a letter and was never disfellowshipped. Just knew from personal experience that it wasn’t what they portrayed themselves to be. Too much hypocrisy and the judgmental attitude in my personal experience. It took me over 12 years to understand that I didn’t leave God and he still loved me. At times I still find myself in a JW mindset. Fortunately my parents chose to not shun me and were present in my life. Out of four children three of us have left, but still enjoyed the love of our parents. I’m certain if they were still living they would have woken up with the current information available. May you and your children continue to be blessed.

This woman is beautiful, 😊😊.

You guys are a really kool couple! 😀

I been disfellowshipped twice and am still shocked by the level of indoctrination and indifference by the JW structure.

God's Name IS NOT 'JEHOVAH'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am so happy you and your family are free! My husband and I woke up in 2017 when I came across the ARC, as soon as they found out I posted something against the org on a FB page they wanted to see us. We didn't want to see them, so my husband ask the elder if we should just write a letter (disassociation) and the elder said yes. Just like that, they were willing to let us go. I was in for 30 years my husband for 34 years. And he served as an elder for more than 20 years. We never looked back, so happy we are free.

Lol, "Satan knows how to disease us". He can't speak English properly and he's sitting in judgment on two lovely human beings, a toddler and a baby. These misogynistic men babbling on about "apostasy" for well over an hour while a baby is crying. This is a CULT. I feel sorry for people caught up in it. The Watchtower wants to nullify the power of the Cross. "Christ did not send me to baptize but to proclaim the gospel, and not with eloquent wisdom, so that the cross of Christ might not be emptied of its power. For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." -1 Cor 1:17-18

Your obviously keen on studying history and facts and it seems your disfellowshipped for being a good student of history ! My wife’s a Jehovah’s witnesses but she’s like a lamb. I’m a Doctor and I was studying but I ask too many questions like on disfellowshipping process or child-sex abuse and cover ups, 607BCE is actually 587CE 20 years later. And all their publications that they printed with dates of Armageddon in 1914,1925 1975 and other dates and why these books not available on JW library. They are like a parent teaching you stuff with dementia (forgetting their previous teachings) I show my wife everything I find out. But I believe in an entity of YHWH Jehovah or Yahweh and his son. They’ve mucked around with their bible translation too much. What is the truth though ?

I can’t see the need for men to pass judgment on anyone. What anyone thinks and believes is not anyones business. What two consenting adults do in privacy is also no one’s business. If someone has been harmed call the police. Otherwise people need to stay out of other people’s business.

Never would I subject myself to this again. These men have no power over me. It’s a disgusting “arrangement”. No man can pass judgment on another human.

Thank you all for your comments and we love them.