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Get out of here with that nonsense. You probably shop at target

Yes it is

Glad to hear it!

at least it goes down XD

I would have to disagree with you as far as build quality. The build quality is vastly different. Yes the furnishings are nicer, they use real hardwood, etc. but their fit and finish is superior and doesn’t fall apart. They use better materials. Their frames are stronger. They have thicker side walls. There is a big difference that you are getting for the price difference.

That a rude and ignorant comment.

I don’t think it’s meant to replace the 397. But I have no problem with the design, mainly because we camp with 5 people. You can sit directly in front of the tv if you only have two. But for me, we have a super sofa in our 397. It’s nice on rainy days to have a place for multiple people to sit down and talk and watch tv. The full bath in the 397 is useless. The shower is so small that even our kids hate in, so they use the master. This gains you a foot of space in the garage, a lot of counter space, a bigger master, and a lot of usable living space. Obviously it’s not the perfect solution for everyone, but there is an audience. It’s also not the “norm” for fifth wheel toy hauler designs. It’s innovative.

The design is innovative!! FT for 2, add guests as needed!

They have 24/7 a lot of things. Awesome place. First time there plan for an hour and $250. 🤣

No, it's Crossville, TN

Absolutely!

We'll see. A lot of factors going there, but it's possible.

It's actually about the same weight as my 397TH, which pin weight is about 3600lbs unloaded. Also, just FYI a 3500/350 has a higher payload than the F-450 if that's what you're referring to. A 3500/350 dually will pull this with no issue at all. Unloaded the camper is 17,300 lbs

@@toyhaulin absolutely people definitely need to do their homework before buying a truck bigger doesn't always mean more payload

I agree it would be nice to have an access panel. I had to get into the water lines on my 397TH. It was 4 screws to remove the panel. Wasn't that bad. And really, they do a pretty good job. Of course, I'd prefer a manifold system, like what's on the DRV, but I certainly don't have an issue with my GD. The 12"/10" frame is a solid frame. They do a better job than most other "production" coaches out there. They are better insulated and built the same or better in most ways than any other keystone/forest river product, outside of some of the high end, like Riverstone, for example.

@@toyhaulin True I think Jayco products out due Granddesigns, both build quality and looks, but a lot of these rv these days are being built sloppy with no quality control; and I’m speaking about Jaycos on down GD, forest river all these mediocre manufacturers

@@Drvinnieboombatts I think that's all personal preference. Personally, I put Jayco in the same category as the others. I personally don't care for the Jayco look. Their quality is better than a number of them, but probably on par with GD. Just my opinion. However, GD customer service is far superior.

@@toyhaulin well for one I’m talking about Jaycos Eagle products but let’s look at the bones of each of their trailers: Jaycos use Ibeam frames; they vacuum bond their sidewalls and are using Azdel : GD does not; Jaycos roofs are also superior they have 20 year protection on their new tpo roof, they also build their roof stronger than GD. So the bones of a trailer is what I’m speaking on and yes go look at their Eagle products; it’s not preference they all out look better 😂

@@Drvinnieboombatts not all I beams are created equal. Big truck big RV did a great review on that. But with that being said, I do like Azdel on the Jayco. Grand design has done some testing with composite materials, but personally, I have not experienced any wall issues with my grand design. Generally speaking, Thor owns Jayco, Winnebago owns GD. That speaks volumes in terms of quality itself. Also, GD has the most thorough factory PDI of any of them, and they do a better job than most at not having many issues out of the box because of it. As I said, Jayco is a solid product. I look at fifth wheels, mostly toy haulers. And the Seismic Alpha is a solid rig. I think it's hard to go wrong with their the Seismic Alpha or the Momentum as production coaches.

Thanks! And based on my conversations, you can order a production unit at this point, but they are still working through pricing. So my anticipation is the next few weeks more information will be available surrounding pricing and ordering.

@@toyhaulin awesome, thanks.

Andrew Howard no drone in my opinion. You can though hear the exhaust a bit when cruising but it's not annoying at all. Wind noise is much louder. When it's mds mode and you give it a bit of gas and makes it upshift it makes a bit of a pop...sounds really cool

Andrew Howard Great to hear! What rear gear ratio does your truck have?

II Vindictive II mine has the stock 3.92 gears with the 8spd

I'm a little late.... but I always turn off MDS. It annoys me. It's not the drone, just a different sound. And mine has 3.92 as well.