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This stands to be exciting as well as informative!

This is absolutely epic!🙌🐾🙌❤️🙌🐾

Far too many resources wasted into dogs who have desire to self preserve!

Nando Brown is a bad ass trainer! 💯

Kim I like so much your down to earth insight and looking forward to read your book. Nothing strange the Flowconcept it's a natural way to be happy and do what is your passion and even better said your soul mission. My experince is that more federal or even dogs with more genetic diversity are often in flow and the purebred dog with their complex traits these days are less in a flow. And being in flow has nothing to do with stress or nervous chewing a ball for example.

Appreciate the details within this convsation in regard of behavior. It's not black or white but let say 50 shades of grey. I noticed and research that within the purebred dogs there are more shades also because their small genetics are a issue. I'm eager to find out if there are in the Netherlands or Belgium mentors from L.E.G.S., please let me know if there are. Kind regards , daniëlle.

I have a Lab (possibly mix, but mostly Lab for sure) who used to go from a quick eye to explosive chase - which was not good for my arm, her neck, or my doors / windows, but is part of her modified motor pattern (retriever: chase --> catch -->[new behavior: retrieve]). We've worked on it and she has now fully embraced the orient --> stalk part of the pattern on walks and will only chase with a release cue.... well, usually!

I am not a professional dog behaviorist. Are there any LEGS classes being offered for the "regular" person who lives with dogs?

You guys so prescient of you all to open this topic up into the rather planned obsolescence viewpoint of animal health and wellbeing. Just this year 2023 I listened to maybe 4 or 5 animal summits to get an idea where the industry is in terms of guiding principles of dis-ease and healing. It is sad that after so many years, the structure remains essentially unchanged with only a new set of clothes or accessories. Not to mention the proliferation of the idea of an AI Avatar or Coach in both the animal and human world.

What disgusts me with USA is that you have KILLSHELTERS for unwanted animals. Where they kill the dogs and cats in horrific ways with gaschamber or heartstick😮

Those dogs i have now learned from previous owners to hate Rain. I try to learn them that Rain is ok when you have raincoat on. Hard after I had an Black Norwegian Elkdog&Dalmatian mix that loved to do 2 to 3 hours walk in cool weather. Now I have 2 totally opposite dogs. I miss him. 😢

Hi Kim, Good talk! Not sure where your located but I'm a dog behaviorist in LA some of the questions you pose I can answer. I think if we can get to a place where we stop making this a zero-sum and remove our personal opinion and feeling a lot of stuff will change.

Terrific talk! Thank you!

How refreshing. Bravo to all of you.

Unfortunately mainly Psychobabble.

Potential first time dog owner here. I have two young daughters (<5 years old) and am looking at getting a family dog. I'm kind of torn between a pitbull and a golden retriever. Which one do you guys think would make for a good first time dog owner with young kids and why?

And that's why I love them.

The full LEGS course is fantastic and I can't recommend it highly enough. It offers insights and perspectives that are thought-provoking, deeply compassionate, and game-changing to anyone open to new information about dogs, their needs, and how we can give them their best life. The world feels kinder to me, knowing people like Kim Brophey are part of it!

I look at dogs brains, their behaviour etc. as similar to adhd (which I have), the impulsivity, the variability, the quick defence reactions are far more adhd than autism. I can see evolutionary benefits in both conditions, ADHD is far more suited to a nomadic/wild lifestyle where you had to be alert for other predators and dangers, and be able to seek out food, shelter etc., compared to the agricultural revolution which kept things in their place, and had routine (feed animals, weed etc.) and future planning for seasons like winter storage of food, an adhd person is far more likely to 'wing it' and live in the moment just like dogs and other animals do. big differences between humans to dogs is that dog bites are a death penalty, so our dogs can't have the chance to display that behaviour, regardless of the reason why, many dogs are in shelters just for being stroppy hormonal teens and some have killed others. (our kill rate to them still massively outweighs dog kills to humans). the problem becomes worse when you only allow one type of teaching and only certain tools, rather than accept that like some humans some dogs need different styles and tools to learn appropriate behaviours for them to live in our world. Although the root cause, personality, genetics, environment etc. should be considered in training to resolve the behaviour and create an understanding that those behaviours are wrong and they cannot do it.

Does the guest ever get to talk?

Please upload more video for us🙁.. ethologists are my hero❤️

We must pull back so Normal can be redefined to acommodate the ballooning human population. All animals are losing their normal habitat & space to move about in. In the 1970s there were 1 billion people on Earth. Now there are about 8 billion humans. Not enough room for anyone to act as they evolved or were selected to act - normally. We need new methods to navigate the artificial environment that this over-crowded world has become.

Great conversation! One of the things I would like to bring up in regards to the Malanois- as a person who has CPTSD, when you come from a totally controlled environment you are conditioned not to have your own autonomy. I agree that these specific breeds are chosen because genetically, they are easily shaped this way. Some eventually shut down because they are traumatized by aversion training and because they have such a strong drive to please they eventually burn out. Chewing is a learned method of self soothing. To help these dogs learn autonomy and confidence, we need to first work on creating secure attachment for them. Most of these pups have been raised with disorganized and anxious attachment. Once we address this properly and the dog feels safe, we can move forward 🙂

Yes!!!! Accountability. Our industry is killing dogs and hurting humans. Wish there was more to the video, but love this.

If humans bred for it, it can be bred out. When we watch house dogs let genetics take over, they "regress" back to normal. Detroit has watched dogs let loose become less "breed refined" after a few generations. You can tell breeds apart, but the behaviors become more similar to each. Acting less like the breed they were bred for.

The link to the review paper points to a local folder on your PC, no one will be able to access it.

I have finely had a chance to sit down and listen to this conversation. Beautiful contribution from everyone. Thanks for having this conversation publicly. I love the filter idea. It takes identification with ideologies and ego, OFF THE TABLE. Its also so incredible to see so many people here that I've never seen before. It can feel very insular and echo chamber-ish in the facebook bubble. If your not part of any of the 'IN' crowds then it can feel isolating. But in the same vein, it can feel like tribalism, gang culture if you identify with whichever 'God' of the hour is speaking down to their decibels. Cultish. This conversation has been a breath of fresh air. I'm continuing to take steps everyday to delete the everyday infiltration of dog pro politics out of my life for my wellbeing. Im not part of ANYTHING anymore. I just saw huge power games and poorly behaviour within all the dog world structures to sit back and be part of any of it. I know there are other lone wolves out there too that have been bitten too bad. Its a shame because those voices get lost and unheard. Its often the voices that speak in a whisper have the most powerful message. Its been a privilege to hear authenticity here. Thank you Kim and Co. Rachel Meadows. xx

It’s NOT PUNISHMENT BASED TRAINING… unless you yourself with focus on creating a dog continuously and making him miserable experience.

I struggle with this. I now own two Newfies that I am determined to work. I won’t breed them but I am going to help them do what they were meant to do, cart, swim.. work

Such candid and courageous sharing, bravo!

I just completed the course and I am both overwhelmed and super excited, this video is very powerful and truly resonates with how I feel.

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Loved this!! The talk about processing really hit home for me. My child jas a processing disorder, which makes it difficult for her when processing information so I'm hyper aware of that kind of stuff. Super interesting to hear it in the context of dogs, as that had never occurred to me before!! Thank you!

One word: Amazing.

I like your content

can you guys talk about separation anxiety and how would you guys go about it?

Damn, who composed the music in this trailer?

The trailer lost my attention quickly with a bunch of questions and I didn't learn what the point of the video was.

Am v. interested in this

As a Certified Family Dog Mediator, having gone through the very extensive course for professionals, I was beyond impressed with how this has been so well put together into a 1 hour course for the general pet dog owner. I cannot recommend highly enough!!! This course is for YOU if you already have a dog, have adopted a dog, have just brought a new puppy home - OR are thinking of getting a dog. Before you decide on what breed and size to get, do yourself and your family a great favor by purchasing this 1 hour course that will change your life with dogs forever - and just might help you choose the right dog for your lifestyle.

Just went through this course and I'm so impressed! The content is clear, easily digestible, heart warming, educational and so incredibly important for every single dog caregiver to watch!!!! Thank you, Kim Brophey for creating this life changing course!!!

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What truth though? The ways we use them for work and for our benefit? In reality dogs’ nature is something we have obliterated with thousands of years of domestication. Whereas cats kept their instincts and natural behaviours intact. It takes cats 1 generation to go back to being feral, stay away from humans and not need them. I’d like to see the real behaviour and nature of dogs but I’d have to go back thousands of years in time. Dogs are too dependant on men, that’s the case in all countries including those where dogs roam free in the street and villages without owners. They still get close to humans because they need them to feed them and they have far too long been close to men to behave like wild animals.

Oh. Em. Gee. THANK YOU, Dr. Brophy for the work that you do! This will save lives and bring joy to so many. 💕🐶💕 Proud to be a Family Dog Mediator 🤗 Sarina Samson

I can't wait!

Can't wait for this to be released

This looks beautiful and promising! ❤️

Thank you for making all this information available for free. I am very grateful for your work is really helping our relationship with our lovely dogs

Chris Pachel, I appreciate so much about what you say. I am an RVT/ trainer and constantly feel like I carry the guilt of my clients. Thank you for saying that it doesn't have to be like that. We can put it aside and go back if needed. I couldn't agree more, often we don't have to go back once needs are met. If we don't have to it makes it even more pointless to carry it at all. This is such a helpful thing to remember in both the training and nursing lens. We need to provide good information as a nurse/trainer without holding onto the stress. We truly need more social worker professionals in the field. Our behaviour health matters too and we need specifically tailored professional help for our industry instead of unqualified managers/DVMs.

I've thoroughly enjoyed this conversation! Now how to get caregivers to calm themselves and remove their egos from the behavior of the dog to calmly observe and understand the dogs need to behave in a certain manner...