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Rick Epping
เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 14 เม.ย. 2010
Harmonica Reedwork - Voicing, Valving & Tuning
Livestream Masterclass with Rick Epping
Another masterclass for all those with an interest in developing their harmonica service skills. This time we'll focus on three aspects of reedwork: voicing, valving and tuning.
Voicing - A term borrowed from organ making and used here to describe the adjusting and shaping of a reed to optimize performance and tone.
Valving - The installation, modification and servicing of windsaver valves.
Tuning - Tools and techniques used in tuning harmonicas. Demonstration of the Peterson iStrobosoft app in Harmonic Tuning mode.
Another masterclass for all those with an interest in developing their harmonica service skills. This time we'll focus on three aspects of reedwork: voicing, valving and tuning.
Voicing - A term borrowed from organ making and used here to describe the adjusting and shaping of a reed to optimize performance and tone.
Valving - The installation, modification and servicing of windsaver valves.
Tuning - Tools and techniques used in tuning harmonicas. Demonstration of the Peterson iStrobosoft app in Harmonic Tuning mode.
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Harmonica Valve Tool & Reed Lifter
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Harmonica Valve Tool with Reed Lifter Curled harmonica windsaver valves can create troublesome noise and a loss of compression. Warm breath from the player while blowing softens the outside valves in their open position, and over time can cause them to deform and stay curled open. Inside valves are also softened by blow breath, but because they are held flat during blowing they rarely cause tro...
Harmonica Reedwork Masterclass
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A masterclass for those interested in developing their harmonica service skills. The workpiece at hand for this session is a vintage 12-hole Hohner Soloist, key of C, which is being given a custom tuning in the low A range. Techniques demonstrated include: chamfering, embossing, soldering, profiling and tuning. Thanks to George Winston for the use of his harmonica in this demonstration.
reed lifter
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Rick Epping demonstrates a tool for lifting inside harmonica reeds for the purpose of tuning. This tool can be used with any kind of harmonica but is especially useful with the XB-40, where the inside reeds are not accessible through the mouthpiece holes.
Installing leather harmonica valves
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Demonstration of method used by accordion technicians to service leather reed valves.
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Hi Rick! Long time no see! Great stuff, bro. Should be required viewing for all players.
Hey AJ, thanks, great to hear from you!
I am finding you difficult to hear clearly!
I’m sorry for the problem, I’ll try to bring the volume up on the next video.
1:20:44 pretty good
Such an excellent technical and detailed video . Thank you
thanks for the video, and I have a very naive question: if there is a brass reed that breaks, why is it not possible to solder it?
By the time a reed breaks, there’ll be fatigue throughout the reed. Even if the solder were to hold, the tone would be weak and dull. You might be able to find strips of brass or bronze from which to cut reeds but it would be difficult work and the material might not be of the proper hardness. If you’re playing Hohner harmonicas you may be able to order individual reeds from them: www.hohner-cshop.de/en/Downloads/
@@stimmrad thanks for your detailed reply!
hello! Silly question but why isn't it possible to just solder broken brass reeds? will it work? OR why not get a thin similar brass strip - in terms of materials reeds should cost cents? I know it's naive, but I really wanna "hack the system"
Fantastic video. I emboss my slots but have never tried chamfering the reeds. I might need to try it. Does it help the overblows and draws pop out better?
Yes, I believe it does. It also seems to help prevent the likelihood of a bend kicking up into a dissonant, higher register.
@@stimmrad Thanks for the reply Rick I have to try it. I'll have to get a tool to do it with. I'll see if I can make one like you mentioned in the video. Great work.
And chamfering may improve a reed’s longevity because it removes its sharp, upper edges. Edges, inside corners, etc. are areas where fractures are more likely to propagate.
@@stimmrad Thanks Rick this information is gold. So happy you make videos to share your knowledge. It's appreciated.
Every day is a school day. Thank you harp master flex
Do you sell your burnishing and valve tools?
Thanks for asking. I don’t sell any tools, but my valve tool has been available from one of the following: Hot Rod Harmonicas hotrodharmonicas.myshopify.co... J.A. Harmonicas jaharmonicas.com/webshop.html...
If you are reading this comment, watch till the end! So many great nuggets of knowledge here. Thank you so much rick! Also what is the chef you spoke of that shared recipes online?
Love your knowledge and work.
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What's your thinking on making a Long Slot D from Db harp? Would seem to be a simple retune (no solder). Would value your opinion on whether it's worth the effort to try it. Thank you
I have a factory-made Special 20 D long slot. As might be expected, the low end is a little beefier and the high end a little duller and less responsive. If you play mostly at the low end, you might give it a try. When the MS reeds were first developed, the current MS short slot reeds were the long slots, with a short slot scale above it. The short slot high end played brilliantly, even the top reeds of the F#, but the long slot low end, which was shorter than the Classic long slot, lacked the power that Hohner reeds are known for. So a new, longer long slot scale was produced, called “Super Long Slot”. I only wished that they could have kept the old short slot, providing three slot scales, but knew it would be economically infeasible, and a strong tone would be, for most players, more important than high end response for the highest couple of keys.
That's deep. I've always wanted to try a frankenharp project, maybe a long slot D will be the one. If I'm reading your reply correctly it would be... long slot Db MS plates for holes 1-6 retuned up to D. For holes 7-10 MS D plates. And I've been looking for an excuse to purchase a jewelers saw! The economics don't make sense but it would be a good challenge. Something to think about for sure. Thank you for the reply and sharing. So nice to have the resources we have today with TH-cam. When I started playing back in 1969 it was the dark ages. All the best, Blunt White, Stonington CT. @@stimmrad
Before you go that far, try just tuning up the entire Db plate. Filing up the highest reeds, even by one semitone, will leave them pretty thin at the tip, which will improve their response. The pitch neutral point for most reeds is about 1/3 the way back from the tip, so utilise all that area when raising the pitch in order to maintain an even gradient in the reed profile. Another idea to try might be to cut down a set of D MS plates to fit your Classic comb. The reed length gradient on MS is steeper than on Classic. Check these approximate reed lengths of positions 1 and 10: MS long slot 17.2 - 8.4 Classic long slot 16.7 - 8.8 Classic short slot 14.8 - 7.6 MS short slot 16.2 - 7.7 The MS short slot is not far off the Classic long slot in the low end and not far off the Classic short slot in the high end. Cutting all four sides of an MS plate to fit a Classic comb will bring the reeds closer to the front of the mouthpiece, improving response over that on an MS comb.
Another big thank you for sharing. Now a question about embossing for improving brightness (upper partials) without going to far. What's your thinking on only embossing the end of the reed slot (omitting the sides entirely). Reasoning the tip of the closing reed generates most of the sound. Thank you again
You could start with embossing only the tip of the reed slot and see what effect it might have, but I expect it will be fairly minimal. All Hohner chromatic and diatonic reeds except for MS are tapered; wider at the base and narrower at the tip (MS reeds have parallel sides), while all slots have parallel sides. If you don’t get a desired result from only embossing the tip, then try embossing to halfway or so back from the tip. In addition to creating the desired sharp edge along the slot, it will help close the gap between the reed and slot where it is widest. After that, try chamfering the reed itself before going on to embossing the slot sides all the way back. A sharp edge along the reed has the same effect as a sharp edge along the slot. Here’s some information about chamfering: docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1hHeMSL1Pt3MV2U9HWGoPBCYicfukRP6W09CpfVssinU/mobilebasic?pli=1
Never thought to measure the widths of the reeds/slots. Just measured some... always nice to learn something new! Regarding chamfering, I read your research report a long time ago and have chamfered my reeds ever since, just like in Formula One, low drag rules. For chamfering I use one of Richard Sleigh's draw scrapers. My embossing technique has always been all the way around, thanks to your suggestion going to change it up a bit. Really appreciate the advice. Thank you @@stimmrad
Huge Respect to you sir for sharing the knowledge 🫡
Rick this videos and your others are like gold. So useful. Some quick y/n questions. I have two harps both have the the 4 draw reeds blown. 1. Can I assume that removing the 4 blow reed on one and after replacing it into the 4 draw position of the other harp I only need to sharpen it to tune into a 4 draw. 2. Also could I use a 3 draw reed cut it smaller and also tune it as 4 draw reed. 3. Can ! also do same for 2 and 1 hole reeds turned them into a 4 draw reed.
Hi there, Sorry for the delay. 1. Yes, on a standard 10-hole, the 4-blow reed will work tuned up in the 4-draw position. 2. A 3-draw reed will work cut down to the 4-position, with some key harps possibly easier to manage than others. 3. 1 and 2 hole reeds, especially in the lower keys, can be quite thin in the back half of the reed, requiring the front of the reed to be filed too thin to bring it up to the pitch of a position 4 reed and still maintain a strong tone. If possible, I would choose a reed closer in position to the reed needing replacing. But, as reeds 1 and 2 rarely wear out, there’s nothing to be lost in trying.
Note that Hohner diatonic and chromatic reeds come in two widths, the lower reeds being 2.1mm wide and the higher reeds 1.9mm. Doesn’t work to put one into another’s position.
@@stimmrad Thanks for this. Really appreciated.
At 28:00 you describe embossing but then show it as running the 100mm radius push tool over the reed only. I thought embossing was done on the reed slots and not the reeds themselves. I am confused. Could you clarify
The 100mm tool is pushing the reed into the slot and then going on to emboss the top edge of the slot. I only do this about halfway along the reed. Were I to do it for the half closest to the rivet, it could force the reed too far into the slot, changing its set and possibly straining it. When determining how far back to apply this technique, gently work the tool back from the free end until you start to feel resistance. It’s a matter of practice to know how far back and with how much pressure to use this tool. Finishing embossing the rest of the reed slot requires a different tool and technique.
@@stimmrad Thank you very much, that now makes sense. So last part can not be embossed using this tool.
Its not 100mm radius, its 10mm. 100mm is like four inches.
This is a great video. Thanks Rick. What is name of that tuner that shows the harmonic intervals.
Hi there, The tuner app is iStroboSoft by Peterson, with the Harmonic Tuning in-app purchase. At one time, Harmonic Tuning was only available for iOS.
You are a companion for all who want to know a little more about our wonderful musical instrument.
Oh my God! What an amazing history lession about materials @55:00!
I am both a machinist and a harp player, about 50 years at both, and did both as paid work. Everything in this video makes sense. My thanks to Mr. Winston
WOW! What a treasure chest of knowledge. This was exactly what I was hoping to find, without actually expecting to find it.
How can i get one?
J.A. Harmonicas offers them for sale: jaharmonicas.com/webshop.html#!/products/harmonica-valve-tool-with-reed-lifter
This is so fantastic. Thank you Rick for sharing your expert knowledge and wisdom with all of us. I am so grateful. I started to get into this only recently and not even intentionally. I worked on one chromatic that was a very low octave Horner CX12. It mostly needed valve work. Now I am working on a higher octave CX12 for him and it looks like it will be mostly reed work. I personally have played 10 hole diatonic for about 50 yrs. (Just blues mostly) I never learned how to repair or customize. I just kept buying new harmonicas. God bless you for sharing your gift with the rest of us.
Hi Garlind, Glad to be of some help and glad to hear you’re working on the instrument. You know you can order individual reeds from Hohner (I’m not sure what their sales policy is for customers outside the EU): www.hohner-cshop.de/en/Downloads/ Best regards, Rick
@@stimmrad Thanks Rick, I am in Ontario Canada. There is a dealer near Toronto Ontario that sells only harmonicas and accordions and possibly pianos. He does repairs and sells wind-savers and can order in any Hohner products. So we are all good here. Thanks again for sharing the wisdom and knowledge.
Great to hear you’re sorted. Would that be Jeff Wilson? If so, say hello next time you’re speaking to him.
@@stimmrad Yes it is Jeff Wilson. I’ll say hi for you
Hi Rick, greetings from Brazil! Very good video. I liked a lot. Thanks for posting. Keep doing it, it's not every day that I find somebody who worked for Hohner! 😁
Do you sell that reedplate table? I’d love to buy one, it would make life so much easier!
Is the overall change in responsiveness of bringing the reedfoot down into the slot worth the effort? It seems like a ton of work for little benefit…
Yes, it’s worth the effort. Bear in mind though, the responsiveness can end up worse than before if the depth of the reedfoot and the overall reed curvature are off. With practice, the operation goes fairly quickly. At the factory, I’ve seen workers push down the reedfoot with a fingernail during the pre-tuning adjustment. Done in nearly the blink of an eye.
Do you ever do a full slot reed profile? I see a lot of customizers bending the reed down into the slot near the rivet, and then re-shaping the reed to curve back out of the slot. It’s supposed to maximize air flow and get rid of the leaking near the rivet.
By profile do you mean reed curvature? Always. For the quickest response, the reed should cut off the airflow as it passes through the slot, along the entire length of the reed, all at the one time. This can only be achieved by adjusting the curvature of the reed appropriately. In the organ building trade this is part of what’s known as reed voicing. Responsiveness can be improved further by reducing the duration of the period when the airflow is cut off in the slot; that is, by reducing the length of time between the pulses of air that produce the sound wave. This can be done by reducing both the thickness of the reed slot and that of the reed tongue at their edges of close contact, the reed slot by embossing and the reed tongue by chamfering. All the above procedures- voicing, embossing and chamfering, can, in addition to improving responsiveness, increase the strength of the upper partials, producing what might be called a crisper, brighter, thinner, or shriller tone. So it’s a judgement call as to how far to pursue these procedures in order to find the desired balance between tone and responsiveness.
@@stimmrad my main goal for working on my harps is to be able to access more overblows and overdraws. I am able to melodically use the 6ob by adjusting the reed gapping and some light embossing, it’s the overdraws that I can’t achieve yet. I’ve been able to use a lot of your tips to get to where I’m at now, including the strobe tuner. I really appreciate all your time and effort sharing this knowledge with us. I’m an aspiring customizer, so your wisdom is greatly appreciated.
Please tell me in harmonica reed plat how to open but with out skurs nils
Hi Fernando, If your reedplate is held on by nails, you can remove it by carefully prying it up with a sharp knife. Work your way around the reedplate a little at a time, raising rather than lowering the back of the knife so that you don’t damage the outer edges of the wood comb. Be careful not to insert the blade so far that it might damage an inside reed. Support the comb on your workbench while doing this, rather than holding it in your hand, so that you won’t bend or possibly break the comb while removing the reedplate.
Please tell meharmonica reed plet open but with aut skus
A reedplate held on by nails instead of screws can be removed by prying it off with a knife. Carefully insert the blade between the reedplate and comb, taking care not to touch any of the inside reeds, then lift the back of the blade to pry off the reedplate, a little at a time as you move along the edge of the reedplate. If you were to lower the back of the blade to pry off the reedplate instead of raising it, the edge of the wood comb might be damaged.
I came here searching on the topic of accordion reed valves. I would not have suspected the harmonica valves to have to layers. My initial question, again in regards to accordion reed valves, is if the valves could simply be flipped upside down? (However, with two distinct layers as in the case of harmonica valves, the answer is likely "no".) I just wonder that if it were flipped upside down then the curl would go in the opposite direction.
Hi Adam, If you have curled accordion reed valves, whether they’re made of all PVC layers, a combination of PVC and Vileda layers, or PVC and leather layers, your best bet may be to remove them from their reedplates, straighten them then replace them. Don’t pull them off as this might stretch or otherwise damage them. Pry them off from the back, as demonstrated in my short video on leather harmonica valves. Even if one didn’t have the issue of the top valve layers being shorter than the bottom, there should never be a convex curl in a valve, where the ends are in contact with the reedplate and the middle is raised. This can cause the valve itself to vibrate, creating an awful buzz. It happens with both harmonica and accordion valves, regardless of the valve material. A slight upward curl is not the worst thing in the world and can sometimes be coaxed down with a few gentle rubs with the finger in the direction from the attached end toward the free end. If your valves are leather with a thin wire “contrapelle” attached on top, you can put a bit of downward curl on the wire using a pair of tweezers, like curling the end of a gift wrapping ribbon. Only curl it enough to make the leather valve lie flat. Too much will make the valve too stiff to open properly. If your valves are single layer leather, they should also not be flipped because the nap side should always be face down on the reedplate to give a good seal. My video shows how to recondition the nap before gluing the valve back down again.
@@stimmrad Thank you for this detailed information. I'm not familiar with the term "nap side" but I assume that means there's a smoother side on the bottom for a better seal. When you mentioned the thin wire, that gave me an idea, that maybe a bread bag twist tie could be glued onto the top of the valve 🤔
Hi Adam, If you’re having a serious problem with your reeds, the best thing might be to bring your accordion to a qualified accordion technician. If you decide to do the work yourself, then try to use good parts. The Carini company in Italy has all types of reed valves. Their website seems to be a bit disorganised at the moment but give them a try: www.carinidena.it You can also try the Hohner website: www.hohner-cshop.de/en/Akkordeon/Parts-Accordion/Valves/
@@stimmrad Thank you for the resources. My phone does not automatically translate the websites, so it is too much information overload at the moment, but I at least I know about it now. As of yet, I haven't opened my accordion and looked at the insides. I haven't even paid for it yet, but the local music store owner is my friend and he "advanced" it to me to try out and make sure I like it, which I do. Anyway I'm not going to take any "surgical action" until it's officially mine, but I'm doing preliminary research. It obviously has some out of tune notes, some on the pull and some on the push of the bellows. It has some air leaks and wheezing here and there, but I've only theorized whether its from a leak in the brittle reed wax or from a curled valve. So yes, I'm in the "researching ahead of time" stage :)
Adam, accordion valves always have to be installed with the shorter layer facing up, in fact some accordion repair people even customize the length of the top layer for more or less springiness.
38:52 brilliant . Thank you
Thank you profoundly Sir.
Video is fine
Happy New! Hope all is well. I’ve a 270 G tuned to diminished with a Hering Combe attached with screws. May I send it to you? I’d like you to take a look to see if it can be more air tight.
Hi Matt, Likewise, Happy New Year! I'm afraid I've a bit too much going on at the moment to take on the job, but thanks anyway for asking. All the best, Rick
Great video. Question… why chamfer the reeds? Couldn’t you just emboss the slots instead?
I both chamfer the reeds and emboss the slots. Doing both improves performance more than simply embossing the slots.
@@stimmrad first time seeing someone Chamfer the reeds. I haven’t played one to feel the difference, so now I’m curious.
Here’s a link to a document about chamfering I wrote a few years ago: docs.google.com/document/d/1hHeMSL1Pt3MV2U9HWGoPBCYicfukRP6W09CpfVssinU/edit
@@stimmrad awesome. Greatly appreciated. I’ve recently begun to customize my harmonicas, and your videos have been a godsend. By properly shaping and embossing, I’ve been able to integrate (melodically) the 6ob into my solo playing, and hope to have access to the 7od eventually.
Read the previous comments in which there is information on reed response related to the duration the reed plate and reed makes a big difference. Leakiness give a mellow tone he says, but it lowers response. Everything in moderation.
Odd question. I am disabled and still fighting for disability. I recently started the harmonica as therapy and a new hobby and absolutely love it. I am wondering if you have and would sell any old junk parts you might have? I'm seriously desperate and am interested in anything you might have to discard or not need anymore. I have acquired an extremely poor condition marine band harmonica that I've managed to get somewhat playing with with all homemade tools soo far. With no income I'm unable to play the best just yet. Thank you for the very helpful videos.
Thank you for your message. I'm sorry, I have no parts to spare. Inexpensive harmonicas such as can be found in toy stores are one way to develop harmonica service techniques without risking damaging expensive harmonicas.
Thank you for your expert video. I purchased a small reed lifter from vendor in Sweden. I can assure, this tool works magic. I will order more since it is a small object and easy to lose.
Your recording is to low
I’ve a 64x gold mouthpiece version and it plays clunky. Meaning the slide is not a smooth action. So much so I wasn’t using it. Turns out the slide hole that the spring uses had worn. No longer round. I reached out to Hohner and had to order a new slide. It’s on back order. In the meantime I ordered the slide for the 280. Needed to replace that as well. Anyway, I put it on my 64x and it improved a bit but it still plays poorly. The reed plates were tuned to diminished by Pat Missin. So I don’t want to send it to Hohner because the may want to replace it with the new model. Would you be willing to take a look?
Hi Matt, Thanks for your message. How much playing have the reedplates had and how’s their tuning? Did they play well when you first got them? Have you had them off the comb and what shape are the windsaver valves in?
@@stimmrad It’s in nice condition. In tune, responds well. Windsavers good. I haven’t played it much due to the slide issues.
@@MattWatsonHarmonica you might want to check the slide channel in the mouthpiece to see if it looks overly worn. Also, the mouthpiece should have a slight bow, with the ends a little higher than the middle. This way, an even pressure is applied along the mouthpiece when the screws are tightened. Are the rubber bumpers that go over the mouthpiece screws in place and in good condition? When tightening the mouthpiece screws, I go back and forth tightening the screws, until the slide begins to bind, then I back them off a little. You can also lubricate the slide. I think Hohner sells slide lubricant, or you can use trombone slide oil. But be very sparing with lubricants as too much can gum up the works.
@@stimmrad Everything else is fine but I haven’t checked the slide channel. I’m not optimistic though. I hear you regarding lubricating the slide. I don’t like to. Attracts dust etc. This harmonica has never been used much. Even when it had the standard tuning.
Wonderful share, great to see a craftsman at work!!! Using solder and the graphite resist was awesome. So many folks are using blue tack or white out, I'm old school like you!!!😁
Thanks for that. I use solder for permanent retuning, but I also use blue tack for temporary jobs , to try out new tunings or when out on the road. Back in the 70s I used powdered brass mixed with beeswax, after reading that the Chinese used to use a powdered lead and beeswax mixture to tune the sheng. Got the blue tack idea from Brendan Power; it's much easier than powdered brass and beeswax.
@@stimmrad I play kalimba as well and tune it with tiny magnets.... This allows me to play in 5 different keys and to do some key changes with custom tunings... I need to make a video about it as I haven't seen anyone else doing this...🤪🎶🎵👍
I had to replace a valve for the G below middle C today and I tried your tension method. Lying nice and flat!
Incredible tool! I just ordered one. This should be included with chromatic harmonicas of all brands. Also, I just subscribed to your channel.
Thank you! Very interested in the valve adjustment tool to lay the valve flat. Suggestion on how I can make my own? Or may I purchase one from you?
Hi Matt, Suppliers where you can find the tool are included in the comment section of this video: th-cam.com/video/MefJfvTDqHc/w-d-xo.html Best regards, Rick
@@stimmrad Thank you! I've just ordered. Usually I replace them when they curl up.
Awesome video ! is this glue good for accordion reed valve replacement ?
It might be good for plastic some valves but test it first to make sure it doesn’t react with and warp the valve. Shellac is the traditional cement for leather valves.
@@stimmrad Thank you.
So great infos Rick !! Thanks Daniel
very good
Dear sir, Does Harmonium and Harmonica have similar reed adjustment . As in my harmonium many times there is buzzing sound , which also hampers while tuning 🙏
Hi Jezil, Harmonium and harmonica reeds are similar in their adjustment but buzzing can be due to different causes. Harmoniums do not have the windsaver valves, or reed valves, that can cause buzzing in harmonicas and accordions, so the problem is something else. If a reed is not properly centred in its slot it might buzz. Sometimes it might only buzz if the reedplate is cold, and will stop buzzing when warm. But if the buzzing is happening with many different notes, there might be something loose somewhere. It could be a loose reedplate, but it could also be anything at all, such as a loose screw or bracket somewhere, anywhere on the instrument, inside or out. Go over every inch of the harmonium to make sure everything is secure and hopefully you’ll find the problem.
Please help me how to tune a harmonica i just buy in for a really cheap price and it arrived put of tune and now It's been sitting in my closet for a month and I wanna play but I remember it's not tuned, Please someone help me
My videos provide some information on basic tuning techniques but there is plenty more online. Just search "how to tune a harmonica". The good thing about buying a cheap harmonica is that it gives one the opportunity to learn and practice tuning without the risk and expense of damaging an expensive instrument in doing so. Even expensive harmonicas may need tuning from time to time so it's good to start on the cheap ones. Best regards, Rick
I want to thank you so much for taking the time to give such an in-depth teaching. Thanks from Greg in northern Minnesota.