John Adams makes a similar argument about being forced into servitude during his diplomatic mission to France. Hamilton on the other hand, was conniving with Talleyrand behind the scenes to prevent such an event.
John Dickinson put the wellbeing of the american people first. American independence was at the time a populist idea that would mainly save the arses of the congress and a few other revolutionaries while having the (albeit non-occuring but we only know this with hindsight) potential to jeapordise the US economy as it relied on trade with Britain so he had a right to be critical.
Considering that it was the French Navy that won the war for them, and saved their lives, and none knew that France would contribute, who could blame him for his reservation about this whole thing.
"Independence will not strengthen us by one Man, nor by the Leases applied; but it may expose our Soldiers to additional Cruelties and Outrages, while the full Fury of the British Wrath would be unleashed. Indians will be loosened on the Frontier, Negroes will rise up to slaughter us, and New York will be destroyed by its own Admission. The Advocates of Separation say that foreign Assistance will be neccesary, but at what Cost? That has imagined a War without Victors and the Guns all silent. Many will have bled and sacrificed only to exchange the lightened Yoke of Great Britain and the heavy Dominion of an alien Power."
What I like about this scene is the actor that plays John Dickinson is amazing in the speech he is sincere with John Adams he actually looks like he has some sympathy with Dickinson there was no malice between them they were just fighting for what they believed was right
Great estimation by the actor of the accent of the times, West Country England with a slight barely noticeable American drawl, the pronunciation of the word “duty” as dootee rather than the English jewtee.
Very strong scene. The type of words that make you stare in drama without interrupting. I understand his point but he eventually declared independence officially. He just wanted to make sure they were ready to take care of a country and also ready for much bloodshed on both sides. Even for those american troops who got away with it I’m sure they hardly ever talked about it the rest of their lives. It’s a very weird feeling, war. It makes you quiet a lot and think about why god lets gruesome things happen. I was in the U.S. Army
We should ponder John Dickinson's words. How well are we keeping 50 states, let only 13 colonies, together? I think he was right to be worried. Let's treat eachother with more charity, heh? Try not to let hom down
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He was an interesting one. He did serve for a time in the Continental Army after the war started, then as a delegate to the Constitutional Convention. He freed his slaves before most of the othe rfounders did and became a supporter of the abolitionist movement later in life. Not bad.
I find John Dickinson one of the most compelling people in this program, and our history. That he could not bring himself to vote in favor of independence, but was one of only two members of the First Continental Congress to actively fight in the Revolutionary War, speaks volumes to his character. He was elected president of Delaware in 1781, and was the only Founding Father to free his slaves prior to 1786 (when it became more popular to do so). Honestly, you can't do much better than that!
Wise, brave man who stated eloquently the dangers of independence on which the colonies were ready to embark - hotblooded and often heedless of those dangers..
Dickinson wasn't wrong. How many countries, freed from the yoke of colonialism, have embarked upon one civil war after another, petty warlords taking over and ruling their territory by brute force and the strength of their personalities (until killed by the next opportunist in line) when the "paper skiff" collapsed at the first sign of rain? America was incredibly fortunate that it held together against all these odds; that its colonies generally shared the same ambitions, culture and politics so that the transition was much easier than it would have been in other countries.
Being in that room must've been historic, but the mere fact that the Lord Halifax of that time, John Dickinson was in that room watching it all unfold is quite frankly annoying to me. The man is a coward and whether he is seen as a good man by others, to me, appeasement for the enemy is basically collaborating with the enemy, and it is treacherous. Hate me all you want but John Dickinson is a coward, and a disgraceful one at that.
Despite the quality of the words I can't help but feel that they are merely a repeat of everything that had already been said. We get it, the consequences of failure are dire, but no one wins a country by being timid. Perfect example of why a Quaker like Dickinson had no voice of consequence in a conflict that would inevitably lead to violence.
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When you look at how many times the colonist's army was defeated and under questionable leadership, it's a wonder that America was able to gain it's independence. The British used the Indians as well who were not happy with the colonists either. They had the advantage of attacking from Canada.
One of the most powerful speeches ever given. He knew they were out matches and needed to do everything and anything to prevent war from coming. One of the saddest facts about our independence and shouldn’t be forgotten is; A high percentage of the population died in the American Revolution than in any other war fought by Americans. As a result more people knew someone who died or lost someone in the war than in any other war we have fought since.
Dickinson was a true patriot. He was wrong about the prospects for America but he nevertheless fought for independence once the Congress determined to take that course. Later, Dickinson played an important role in the drafting of the Constitution. He also played a part in writing of the treaty with France. While his signature never made it onto the Declaration of Independence, there is no doubt he is a founding father of the United States.
John Adams makes a similar argument about being forced into servitude during his diplomatic mission to France. Hamilton on the other hand, was conniving with Talleyrand behind the scenes to prevent such an event.
John Dickinson put the wellbeing of the american people first. American independence was at the time a populist idea that would mainly save the arses of the congress and a few other revolutionaries while having the (albeit non-occuring but we only know this with hindsight) potential to jeapordise the US economy as it relied on trade with Britain so he had a right to be critical.
Great series!
For July in Philadelphia, those guys are dressed inappropriately.
Considering that it was the French Navy that won the war for them, and saved their lives, and none knew that France would contribute, who could blame him for his reservation about this whole thing.
"Independence will not strengthen us by one Man, nor by the Leases applied; but it may expose our Soldiers to additional Cruelties and Outrages, while the full Fury of the British Wrath would be unleashed. Indians will be loosened on the Frontier, Negroes will rise up to slaughter us, and New York will be destroyed by its own Admission. The Advocates of Separation say that foreign Assistance will be neccesary, but at what Cost? That has imagined a War without Victors and the Guns all silent. Many will have bled and sacrificed only to exchange the lightened Yoke of Great Britain and the heavy Dominion of an alien Power."
1:25 hehe
What I like about this scene is the actor that plays John Dickinson is amazing in the speech he is sincere with John Adams he actually looks like he has some sympathy with Dickinson there was no malice between them they were just fighting for what they believed was right
Superb acting
Great estimation by the actor of the accent of the times, West Country England with a slight barely noticeable American drawl, the pronunciation of the word “duty” as dootee rather than the English jewtee.
Very strong scene. The type of words that make you stare in drama without interrupting. I understand his point but he eventually declared independence officially. He just wanted to make sure they were ready to take care of a country and also ready for much bloodshed on both sides. Even for those american troops who got away with it I’m sure they hardly ever talked about it the rest of their lives. It’s a very weird feeling, war. It makes you quiet a lot and think about why god lets gruesome things happen. I was in the U.S. Army
John Dickinson sounds like a maga Dixiecrat tv ad.
I swear the original speech said "Heavy handed dominion.
You fools .If USA had stayed British No ww1 or Fascism or Communism or ww2 . I will think of Rome cause now I'm sad. Sadder now.
We should ponder John Dickinson's words. How well are we keeping 50 states, let only 13 colonies, together? I think he was right to be worried. Let's treat eachother with more charity, heh? Try not to let hom down
Dickinson and Adlai Stevenson were of the same mind.
movie is this ?
John Adams - HBO Miniseries
Was this the actual speech he said or is this just a great historical speech?
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He was afraid for the lives of his citizens. Nothing wrong with that.
He was an interesting one. He did serve for a time in the Continental Army after the war started, then as a delegate to the Constitutional Convention. He freed his slaves before most of the othe rfounders did and became a supporter of the abolitionist movement later in life. Not bad.
I find John Dickinson one of the most compelling people in this program, and our history. That he could not bring himself to vote in favor of independence, but was one of only two members of the First Continental Congress to actively fight in the Revolutionary War, speaks volumes to his character. He was elected president of Delaware in 1781, and was the only Founding Father to free his slaves prior to 1786 (when it became more popular to do so). Honestly, you can't do much better than that!
Wise, brave man who stated eloquently the dangers of independence on which the colonies were ready to embark - hotblooded and often heedless of those dangers..
Dickinson wasn't wrong. How many countries, freed from the yoke of colonialism, have embarked upon one civil war after another, petty warlords taking over and ruling their territory by brute force and the strength of their personalities (until killed by the next opportunist in line) when the "paper skiff" collapsed at the first sign of rain? America was incredibly fortunate that it held together against all these odds; that its colonies generally shared the same ambitions, culture and politics so that the transition was much easier than it would have been in other countries.
He literally just predicted the American civil war.
God i alwags hated this guy.
Being in that room must've been historic, but the mere fact that the Lord Halifax of that time, John Dickinson was in that room watching it all unfold is quite frankly annoying to me. The man is a coward and whether he is seen as a good man by others, to me, appeasement for the enemy is basically collaborating with the enemy, and it is treacherous. Hate me all you want but John Dickinson is a coward, and a disgraceful one at that.
Strong Richard Harris tribute in this scene
How, Cromwell?
@@patttrick that was my thinking. The delivery reminded me of Harris as Cromwell. But that's just speculation on my part.
@patttrick I think I had just watched Cromwell when I posted that. Oh well. Just a thought.
I'm not sure why I was so convinced when I first commented on the video. I guess the waver in the delivery.
Thats some grade a fear mongering BS right there
He sounds more Lord Halifax than before Lord Halifax was even born. 🤣
Dickinson was a great American.
All those in favour of braving the stormy seas in a ship made of paper say aye? ... ... ... Okay then. Murica has it. Murica has it.
as much as i like this miniseries they really didnt do dickinson justice in its portrayal of the man
Despite the quality of the words I can't help but feel that they are merely a repeat of everything that had already been said. We get it, the consequences of failure are dire, but no one wins a country by being timid. Perfect example of why a Quaker like Dickinson had no voice of consequence in a conflict that would inevitably lead to violence.
That guy was a real Dick... ...inson
.. Jesus Christ is the only hope in this world no other gods will lead you to heaven There is no security or hope with out Jesus Christ in this world come and repent of all sins today Today is the day of salvation come to the loving savior Today repent and do not go to hell Come to Jesus Christ today Jesus Christ is only way to heaven Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today John 3:16-21 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Mark 1.15 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Hebrews 11:6 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Jesus
Dickinson was a coward I don't care what anyone says
When you look at how many times the colonist's army was defeated and under questionable leadership, it's a wonder that America was able to gain it's independence. The British used the Indians as well who were not happy with the colonists either. They had the advantage of attacking from Canada.
'Brave the storm in a skiff made of paper' then cut to Franklin's discomfort. I love plays that count their audience as members.
What an idiot.
That paper boat yet still floats.
four feet popularity forever the blood
Maaaan.. I found myself knocking too.
Everything he said came true but they overcame
One of the most powerful speeches ever given. He knew they were out matches and needed to do everything and anything to prevent war from coming. One of the saddest facts about our independence and shouldn’t be forgotten is; A high percentage of the population died in the American Revolution than in any other war fought by Americans. As a result more people knew someone who died or lost someone in the war than in any other war we have fought since.
Debatable. Depending on how you define "America", King Philip's War killed the highest proportion of people of any war on North American soil.
Oh my god it’s the guy that threatened house and 13 with a gun.
Interesting. John refused to sign the Declaration but he DID sign the Constitution.
Can we say in 2023. that colonials were traitors rebeling for no great reason against their king and country. Continental European.
Dickinson was a true patriot. He was wrong about the prospects for America but he nevertheless fought for independence once the Congress determined to take that course. Later, Dickinson played an important role in the drafting of the Constitution. He also played a part in writing of the treaty with France. While his signature never made it onto the Declaration of Independence, there is no doubt he is a founding father of the United States.