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We all know the promise of PAT, thats not in question. But, MAPS is a massive grift. That MAPS training, that everyones paid through the nose for, probably like your partner, is also part of the grift of MAPS. Would love to follow up when all of these people who have paid for their training will ever get to use it. It will probably be 5-10 years at least before anything outside of KAP is ever approved, and even then it's going to cost patients 10-15k per treatment. I honestly dont think PAT will ever become accessible to the general public in our lifetime as long as there's companies like MAPS.

A really informative and interesting interview, I'll look forward to the long form!

Thank you for your thoughts. I have a few of my own. 1) I am not sure why we keep saying this is new and unknown. There were over 40,000 papers written on psychedelics throughout the 50's and 60's. I feel like everyone keeps talking like this is new research. Even the Lykos guide was inspired by Stan Grof, who was one of many using LSD in therapy. There were tens of thousands of people treated with LSD. It seems like that is just forgotten altogether. 2) I agree that we need to take caution, but if it is not the FDA's job to judge therapy, then why are they doing it? Even thought the application was for the combination of the two, it seems to me that their job is to ignore the therapy part altogether. 3) It seems a bit absurd that the FDA calls out the design of the study at the approval table; they were the ones who helped make the design. 4) A better design would have been 3 groups...a placebo, MDMA with no therapy, and MDMA with therapy. Just like some studies on SSRI's. 5) Now what? I have heard that it is being legally used in mainstream psychiatry in Australia. Is this true? Is this treatment available to those of us who still suffer and nothing else works? By flying to Australia? Many of us cannot afford to wait 5 more years for another trial.

Great interview! I really enjoyed watching this and "meeting" the Mithoefers.

Like a water drop on a gremlin witnessing a small child birthing a burden...may grace embrace us all...💞

He's so interesting but I really wish her mic was muted with all the "mmmhms"

It’s not the panacea that everyone is saying it is unfortunately

It hasn’t been a rapid antidepressant for me. It’s actually not working. Running out of hope. Had enough

❤no bad parts has so deepened my spiritual Inner path.

Thank you Dick Schwartz for your insight! Thank you, Sandy Newes, for this great interview! I really enjoyed it.

Cannabis is absolutely a psychedelic. I have had all the training from The Center for Medicinal mindfulness.

Richard is the real thing, it’s so palpable. Thank you so much for this conversation, I have been in these experiences for many years, and it’s so good to hear it all articulated instead of feeling alone in the journey. Much gratitude.

This is a gift of a discussion. Much gratitude.

I don’t think IFS therapy should be done in a group. It’s a vulnerable space that deserves respect, privacy, and confidentiality. The therapist is in a privileged role. No spectators.

Very interesting! People don’t yet talk about IFS and past life experiences… in my recent experience with IFS ,it took me naturally to it… a combination with dr. Brian Weiss work , psychedelics and IFS , would be in my view the therapy of the new Era- future.

Thanks for the rational explanation Signi. I was eager to hear your thoughts on it.

I personally find it strange that so many people think they need a babysitter. It seems women especially need this because they are afraid to go it alone. For me, the last thing I want is someone monitoring me while having an experience like mushrooms or DMT. Humans analyze everything too much in my opinion. To make the world a better place, the majority need to be on board. Organized Religion truly deludes everyone that has become caught in that horrible web. Go it alone folks, just know and trust who you get your stuff from and do the research on your dosage. Too little and you won’t quite get there. Advice from Terrace McKenna is a good place to start your first Solo experience.

Wow thank you for this! 🙏

If the FDA were to 'tease out' the efficacy of the 'therapy' when we combine the SSRI's with any modality of psychotherapy then all the same issues the FDA is raising and that you have elucidated would have applied. And the SSRI's would still be in research or have been abandoned. The problem is Rick Doblin and Lykos don't have the mega-bucks to do endless research on the nexus between the substance and the relationship between the client and psychedelic therapist(s. ) Such relationships are a huge part of any modality of psychotherapy. Most of the investigations into modes of psychotherapy have pointed out the importance of this relationship to the outcomes. The FDA doesn't regulate the safety of client-therapist relationships. That is the job of licensing boards. The FDA should focus on the chemical pharmacology and leave out the other factors as they do with all the other medications they regulate.

So the fda is stating that “safety” is the end all. They ok’d fentanyl and they continue to use it in the medical arena. Fentanyl kills approx, 134 people a day in America. And we wonder why our culture is sick ? America wants you weak, sick, or dead. Big pharma wants you addicted ! Mind boggling.

Do i have this correct? FDA approved the structure of the study, fully recognizing this placebo issue at the time, then after the study is completed at great cost, the advisors reject it, stating the placebo issue as part of the reason. If the above is factual, will they reimburse the researchers for the cost of the study since they, in effect, changed the terms of a contract?

how could it be the therapy part that causes the cure? ? therapy doesn't have those type of positive outcomes ... the FDA are completely captured by big pharma... stop defending them

This is a beautifully rational explanation of the committee's concerns. I agree that approval would regulate the current Wild West, which would be better for all patients.

Thank you for your balanced and patient explanation regarding the current limitations that the FDA is continuing to put on psychedelic therapies. Your professionalism and objectivity are crucial in advancing our efforts to assist patients while ensuring that treatments are recognized as a legitimate part of mainstream mental health care, rather than being perceived as a fringe movement. 🙏

Indeed absolutely fascinating! Great topics, great questions, great answers - thank you both - and the guides - very much!

Im trippin rn. Is the docs eyes red?

Ketamine is incredible. I've never been happier.

How long do the benefits for depression last? Its available at a hospital here free but it's just for 3 weeks, no follow up

Ive went sky diving, on roller coasters, water parks, massive raves literally so many places and experiences on acid (lsd) and molly (mdma) and i would love for ppl to open up to the psychedelic work maybe not skydiving 😂 but just experience the beauty and fun if it!

what about for symptoms of a tbi-confusion, dizzyness, brain fog, etc etc?

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Powerful! Please thank this client for being willing to share this!

Amazing information. Thank

I'm caught on this one. Unsure truely. Should we stop doctors who have not had heart transplants from doing heart transplants? Can a therapist help someone even if they have not dealt with the exact same problem?

Ketamine “as” a psychedelic? Isn’t that the same as admitting that it’s not, and terming it as such is a lie?

Evil woman

As someone coming from a belief that Western medicine and the scientific method is vital (and from being in a MAPS Phase 2 open-label clinical trial-and deeply thankful that it was evidence-based) , I think that 27:43 is important to hear. If we are to be good practitioners, we are ultimately in service of the client's healing. And if our perspective limits that care, then we need to deeply look at that and either grow to change our perspective, or shift our work to change our client population and modality.

What is a sub-pyschedelic dose for the purposes of antidepressant use? Still effective as an antidepressant without having the psychedelic experience?

27:00 👏🏼👏🏼 regarding warning to those with agendas to remove the shamanic

Deep, profound experience with the actual psychedelic substance the client/patient will be using MUST BE absolutely mandatory for the therapist. Absolutely mandatory without exception. This can not be overemphasized . The psychedelic experience is so utterly ineffable and counter to daily existence that there is NO WAY you can be an effective therapist without first hand, profound experiences concerning the medicine at hand. I mention profound because a "museum dose" of say psilocybin does not count toward this mandatory requirement. These very light 'trips' will seem mere parlor tricks when once in the real, all-encompassing psychedelic headspace... There is a very wide, profound gulf between 'seems trippy' and tripping. What the actual threshold qualifying dose is, is hard to say but for many 35-50 mg will take you there - There being a great attenuation or even dissolution of the default mode network and all that goes with it. Thank you.

Thanks for sharing Dr. Goldman. Years ago I saw what MAPS was doing and expecting positive outcomes, I went back to school to get my degrees and licensing so I could do the work legitimately. I feel licensing is a must, but the practice could be broad. Will be interesting to see how the PAP renaissance plays out.

its sad to say that here in Brazil now its illegal to use mushrooms...before we had a "grey" law about it: you can posses the mushroom, but cant posses the active principle, but now they rule out for the complete ban! Sad because i know the beneficial effects of some drugs on our mind and spirit

Where are the rest of the videos that go with this one? This is fascinating!