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idk what to cut for it but the more i think about it that might be needed. ive just been lucky enough to not prize the neo energy but i think its possible the deck can just fall apart without access to the second attack. all i can think of is cutting dark, stadium and go down to 2 budew or nest balls. but yea it might be needed, prizing neo is only 10 percent so its possible it should almost never happen but it probably lowers the odds to win too much to risk

@ yes i thinking a dark, budew and the town store cause yes you do want to find the counter gain but with wanting to play it slow and in a way would allow you to eventually put in xeroics or eri once testing more with ratios, i can eventually see hydrei being an control but win option atk unlike most control decks like snorlax or pidgy control, since hydrei first atk can help with the mil effect though it just 3, it like a pokestop but no targets to get back 😂

archaludon isnt the best unless they dont evolve their basics to get ready for a dialga play and obsidian can take them all out. i think if lugia doesnt play wydeer its pretty winnable. drago has bad matchups into those two decks and does pretty well. idt people really like playing lugia and with like 15 valid decks, every deck has some bad matchups

thanks so much. im hoping putting more effort into the intros can make the videos stand out a bit. i think hydreigon's attacks are too good for it to not be meta at some point, especially the second attack. and its just really fun to play

big basics can be tough for sure, i find the toedscruel and not letting them use fez while ionoing them can make them miss an attack at some point and thats usually enough to win or cripple their board enough to make them miss another attack

@ I will try that! I played the toedscruel line in DragaThorns and I liked it a lot

ill have to try it again cause i was losing most of the games my opponent set up. getting one shot twice feels pretty bad for the deck lol. thats why i ended up with the toedscruel, to help against raging bolt and ogerpon needs 4 energy to one shot with just a dark and counter gain so i usually try to stick to only have the one energy against ogerpon decks

To guarantee being able to budew turn one and attach an energy to something else?

@@enamorus1 That makes sense, but you would need to 1. Go second (not guaranteed) 2. Have it not prized 3. Have a Arven or it in your hand 4. Actually need using it Looks like too much conditions for something so simple. Feels like a leftover from the Town Store list.

yea it could be, its nice to have arven guarantee budew. there's not enough energy to depend on opening one and the times there is an energy its nice to get an attachment down. it would suck to prize pech against a deck that can retreat lock but its like the odds of hitting one of those decks times the 10 percent chance to prize a one of so it shouldnt be too likely. prizing fez does suck tho

@@sixpokemanstcg I've been really liking this list and I'm planning to play it IRL. So far, the hardest part has been not being able to draw cards without depending on Fez + Budew dying. Getting Budew'd is awful as well, so it would be nice to think about a way of countering it.

thanks, i appreciate that. hopefully next season i can afford to get to few and maybe atlanta this year if enough of my friends go and we drive down

lol i dont have the pro version of my editing software

Don't ever let them hit your Deino. Prioritize Hydreigon, and focus on getting the obsidian as early as possible. Hit Drakloaks and maybe Duskull to shut them down.

always feels bad losing to pult. but exactly what @fleurseva said, if you can attack with an obsidian before they evolve you should almost always win. can also force them to evolve their drakloaks and ko any that they dont to make iono more effective late game. if they start playing heavier stretcher counts the toedscruel could be good but it looks like theyre playing 1 now so its probably not worth it. also dusknoir is the only way they can one shot you so focusing that down with obsidian can be worth it sometimes. they also usually play 2 candy and if they ever use 2 dusknoirs all you need to do is use obsidian to hit the ex for 130 and ko two drakloak then ko the dragapult with the first attack. it can be hard if our item lock doesnt do enough and they get into their lances but i think its winnable

This list feels like a worse version of pult. Unless you just smash your opening hand you might as well just concede vs pult.

janine would make sense, might need super rod over stretcher with janine but im not sure about that. there's also a very slight chance the game slows down enough after rotation that we can rely more on attachments. i dont think the patch is the most important card either, its more for pecharunt and to build an obsidian in one turn but normally theres enough time to just attach as long as you can get into energy every turn

janine could definitely be good. ive been thinking about trying a version that can rely on supporters more to make playing around item lock easier. ive never tried the lzb hydreigon either, ive been mean to try that and lost zone dragapult for a bit. i guess at this point lzb probably isnt a good way to play dragapult anyway

Wow even to arceus league? Would you mind sharing the decklist? Im struggling with the draw engine 😢

@@programmerkumis Sure thing: 1 Lumineon V BRS 40 3 Hydreigon ex SSP 119 1 Dusclops SFA 19 PH 4 Deino SSP 117 1 Zweilous SSP 118 PH 1 Pecharunt ex SFA 39 2 Pidgeot ex OBF 164 2 Pidgey OBF 162 1 Dusknoir SFA 20 2 Duskull SFA 18 1 Fezandipiti ex SFA 38 1 Rotom V LOR 58 Trainer: 17 3 Ultra Ball SVI 196 4 Rare Candy SVI 191 1 Dark Patch ASR 139 2 Counter Gain SSP 169 1 Earthen Vessel PAR 163 1 Briar SCR 132 4 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TEF 144 1 Lost Vacuum LOR 162 2 Counter Catcher PAR 160 2 Iono PAL 185 1 Janine's Secret Art SFA 59 1 Professor Turo's Scenario PAR 257 1 Forest Seal Stone SIT 156 3 Nest Ball SVI 181 1 Tera Orb SSP 189 4 Arven SVI 166 1 Boss's Orders PAL 172 Energy: 2 6 Basic {D} Energy Energy 15 1 Neo Upper Energy TEF 162

Keep in mind this was BEFORE Prismatic. This was for the Surging Sparks format

ive been liking the deck as straight forward as possible. i thought about putting a jacq and lumineon in the deck but just ended up with the high budew count hoping that item lock could mess with the opponent and make them miss item lock at some point. the 3 budew can help to start it then any poffins turn one can be spent to get the evolving basics

the deck really relies on pidgeot and fez quite a bit. i found that as long as i get a hydreigon attacking i can get into a pidgeot at some point. the second attack is so strong it can make it hard for the opponent to go around the hydreigon if you have it fully built up or just need the neo to start using obsidian

Same, I played up until 2019 and coming back 6 years later has been rough. The scalping and damage inflation goes crazy.

@chickpeabunny9435 scalping?

yea, quite a bit. that would be like seismitoad, darkrai, night march format? one shots are definitely a lot more common now. having to 2 or 3 shot everything is probably the thing i miss the most about older formats. the person talking about scalping just means how people are buying up all the irl product of new sets and selling it for crazy amounts

@sixpokemanstcg ohh i get it but i assumed some of the new non-full art or non-alternate (dont really know the term) ex or v/v-star were cheap so those who wanted to play wouldn't be affected by price that much and yeah i used night march when i was playing back then

it is quite different because stage 2's cant be as aggressive and your almost always going to fall behind. so finding a way to use the attacks to make up for the lost turns is important. also knowing when to stop benching low hp pokemon and forcing the opponent to go through the stage 2 is important too

ive been trying to make a good spread deck for a while. i really want to make the alakazam that moves damage counters around work

What do you need four Budews for? Giving away four prize cards for free?

i never tried hydreigon with a bibarel type pokemon. the toedscruel could in theory just be a bibarel line. its hard to judge how helpful the toedscruel is when testing online. its so much easier to judge irl with a friend when they can say if how much its hurting them. idk if revaroom would work just because of the low energy count. i really like jacq with how popular i expect budew to be, makes me wish i didnt sell my irl alt art one for like ten bucks months ago lol

it slows the game down and going behind in prizes is good for counter gain and catcher. so its like trading a couple of prizes for some time to set up and possibly forcing an opponent to research away some good items and it should mess with their setup a bit and make it harder for them to target down multiple of the evolving basics

thanks so much! im glad people seem to like it cause ive been trying to figure out a way to make the intros easier to watch

i almost added gemstone but it clashes with the countergain a bit, it does work on budew sometimes tho. but the main thing i wanted to do with it was be able to counter catcher a fez and iono and hit for 200 to set up another 2 prize option for obsidian. the reason i didnt put devo in it is because zard and dragapult are the main two decks it would be needed and they both have tera bench protection so it would only get the pidgeot if they play it. garde leaves their pokemon unevolved so that just comes down to if they play manaphy. i havent played games with either cards but i'd have to play those matchups more to see if theyre a problem, then i would consider adding techs

i agree, building every stage 2 like zard just doesnt really work. especially with this deck when you have to find energy and counter gain, so arven cant just grab forest and a way to get pidgeot out

@@sixpokemanstcg Yeah true, looking forward to this post rotation when theirs no manaphy and hopefully things are a little slower for the deck but one more thing, thanks, the gameplay was insightful with how you win with Budew

@@emberpowertcg7692 candy zard players will have to change massively with budew coming into the meta. Zard isnt going to be as consistent as it used to be with the adjustments its going to have to make.

awesome, i hope you have some luck with it. i was just playing all the matches really slow to make up for not having the rotom draw. i thought about cutting the toedscruel to add a 4th iono and another consistency card but i thought this was a nice balance of power and consistency cards

thanks for the comment! glad you enjoyed it

thanks! it takes quite a bit longer but i figured it would be better than just looking at a deck list the whole intro. i want to get better at editing and i have a decent amount of free time so its worth it, i think

yea for sure, i already have the games for a hydreigon video so im gonna do that first then ill do budew garde

@sixpokemanstcg Thanks. Just wanted to see some games before my next league. I also will watch the hydreigon video as it sounds interesting.

Why not... Budew Banette Garde?

thats what the banette deck is gonna be im pretty sure lol. but im gonna do updated gardy with budew too. this set isnt very inspiring and gardy is one of my favorite decks to play

ok, ill probably start working on gardy tonight and tomorrow so that i can get it out soon

yea i thought about it for a bit cause the second attack is pretty good but trying to get 2 extra attachments on the espeon without it getting knocked out while also trying to attach to munki's seems really hard. i also thought about making it more like a control deck and maybe adding a crispin in get the second attack in one turn, i think that seems pretty cool too

i think it will still be good in some way. its just hard to visual what the new format will look like so its hard to know what its going to look like. if i had to guess it's going to be more of a turbo drifloon deck with like maybe cycling road and 4 vessel's and possibly pidgeot or maybe just fez. drifloon will be much safer without vacuum because only certain decks can play jamming tower

second

Second if you have tm evo

i totally forgot to say it in the video but going second and using budew is ideal but if you have a dead hand and can use tm evo i go for that instead. i have thought about cutting the evo tho because using budew is so much better most of the time

yea, a few months is a long time tho

o cool, i appreciate the input. i always feel weird about posting a video on a deck that ive done a video on too soon. also this set is pretty uninspiring for the most part lol so im probably gonna be doing some a lot of repeat decks and hopefully a couple more informational videos. the next set looks awesome tho

yea fore sure, the games that have a really obvious plan are pretty easy but some matches are really hard to see the win condition, like dragapult and ancient box are really weird matchups. its definitely fun and satisfying when an off the wall plan comes together on the last turn

space is really rough, that is the other ace spec i considered tho. prime catcher also being a switch is really nice and theres some games i would like another gust card. it would be nice to more reliably get pidgeot tho

i was thinking about trying that out, idk what to cut for all the middle evolutions and extra gust card tho. the deck seems like it should have way more space than it does

i think im going to stream at least once more this weekend later than i did yesterday, hopefully it works out for your schedule

i expected it to be like all drago and block lax but it was more like that before i got to it. i also dont play as many games on live as i should so i dont have the biggest sample size. its cool to play against random stuff right now too since im not testing for any irl stuff

thanks so much, im glad to hear it helped!

theres unfortunately no hard counters but cards like toedscruel, klefki, manaphy and rabsca are the cards i can think of that mess with drago but only fit into certain decks. like rabsca might be needed in united wings for the deck to even have a slight chance. i find manaphy can help in evolving decks to make drago players over extend for the prime catcher canceling cologne play, then you have to try and exploit whatever resources they hopefully mill with their vstar. the kyurem ex that paralyzes is what pokemon wanted to be the counter but idk how helpful that is in most decks. i think budew will help too, learning to play against item lock is a skill not a lot of players have right now. with ancient box make sure to keep an eye out for great tusk mill win conditions. wish i could be more helpful but the deck is really strong, make sure to pay extra attention to their resources like switch, prime and energy switch, sometimes its easy to punish them benching an extra drago when low on e switches

thanks for the input. i was hoping to have a sequencing video out this week but got like half way thru making it and realized i want to figure a better way to present the information. i like making both but the gameplay videos are way more fun when a new set comes out. thankss again

Sylveon attacked it previous turn which means Pikachu does 100 less damage so it would only have done 200

they used the first attack that lowers the damage. i meant to say that but mustve gone off on s tangent or something. i didnt want to put the pikachu on the bench and get it shuffled back in the deck and was hoping they would not use the first attack or something

thanks so much for the comment. i think pokemon being so simple at a surface level but complex at the top level is one of the coolest parts about it. just learning the rules of the game is so easy that people end up getting into the game by accident lol. its really cool that my video could do that, thanks again!

that's awesome, thanks so much! i very much appreciate it

thats a new one lol