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@@cristodejesus2825 Não tenho o direito de mostrar o jogo devido a direitos autorais, só posso discutir o jogo e dar minha opinião. Obrigado pelo seu comentário de qualquer maneira

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I just don't understand what Pires is thinking when he said doku is better than saka

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I agree with you 💯 I don't think there's a strong contact for the referee to disallowed that goal. Sometimes you're a victim of poor officiating 😔 but it's frustrating 😒

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@@genesisfox9 I understand your point. Wouldn't it be fair if the referee had issued a yellow card for the same incident with Joao Pedro in the first half. Besides, the ball was still rolling and there's every possibility that the referee will restart the play if Veltman quickly kicked the ball. Perhaps it's Arsenal, any little thing to nail them to the cross.

@@Biglekxy I am delighted with we got another quality player

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I'll try to feature him in subsequent episodes

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@@JJPPOO the way argentine do football banter means nothing to them in their country that doesn't mean that it's acceptable somewhere else

@@KickoffDiscussions Yes. But was executed in an argentine context. There is no foreigner involved. And the video was cut before the supposed (because is not) racist part. It's like when Cavani called "negrito" a friend of his from his country, they were talking among their own cultural codes in HIS Instagram account and the EPL punished him for that. When they are not involving an outsider where they sing, talk or interact under the codes they know since childhood there is nothing to do. Other way is actually discrimination towards someone's cultural ways.

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The matter is not about wether Argentina is or not racist, the problem are the football players. Also, the problem is not that they are racist, the issue is that it is a big racist statement. It doesn't matter if they did it with bad intentions or if they just did it because they are ignorant. They did it and must have repercussions.

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We all need to be held accountable for our actions

I am a Nigerian. What's it with with African accent?

@@KickoffDiscussions So you are Nigerian, I thought you were from France. I'm sorry.

@@rubyking3948 Yes, I am a Nigerian

Anyone can be a racist you know. Actions can depict anyone as racist nit until you say it

I appreciate what you said and I also know what I am saying before I say it but let's put that aside. The football culture in Argentina is great and fun as many people have explained how they perceive football chants in Argentina. The context of the song is very key to the outrage and footballers needs to be careful of it. The World is bigger place to see something from just one perspective and there's room for debate. Someone said something doesn't make it right or wrong. In Enzo's case and the Argentines squad because obviously he's not the only person singing the song. Why I think he's at the center of it is that he's the one recording it. So, football culture in Argentina permits such song and its just football songs to Argentina but regardless of that they should be conscious of other people beyond the shores of Argentina because what's acceptable in Argentina may not be morally acceptable in other societies. Thanks

@@KickoffDiscussions I agree with you, what may not be acceptable in one countries football culture may not be acceptable in another country. However I feel a double standard has been applied here. After France won the World Cup in 2018, they called Messi a midget; in 2014, the German team made fun of the Argentinean gaucho culture and the people of Argentina. In 2018 after France won the World Cup Dembele and another white French player were caught on camera making fun of Japanses people. Yes, they had to apologise, but there was not the moral courage there is now. Also, I do need to challenge you again on what you said about how the black population were treated in Argentina. Could you show me your sources? Here is a good place for you to start. As you will see, compared to most countries around the world, the black experience in Argentina was not met with ethnic cleansing and killings. www.oxfordbibliographies.com/display/document/obo-9780199766581/obo-9780199766581-0157.xml

@@blacksmoke681 I appreciate your time and response. There's something we called systemic racism. It embedded in every organization of the society whereby some group of people do not have access to basic needs like education, healthcare, even a justice. it happens in a more subtle way. That's what France is using even in African countries where they have been systematically stealing and exploiting their resources but on the surface it'll look like they're the good people. Concerning what I said, here's is a source out of what I saw and read www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/black-genocide-true-history-whitening-203000401.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHEx8DhgzgLpaSoMzmoi6yQSQRVc303yQm_j1zrEd-EYF8FJesyvAPMUM15E7RykHKe4KTHHw-K-XZ8TDkV1HBfnP0cgH5-DW-byYIWWCLWdR-YBou1RHSvyeUwJ_Eq1r7kweX0hXTSf2lZWm-0MCgbktxdzStfpKwFmpRtqARkS We cannot sweep things under the carpet anymore because this is a modern world and we need to have cohesion within our societies rather than focusing on things that don't matter to human existence. This systemic racism also happened in US decades ago before the black population fought and someone eventually listened. So, we should look at other perspectives on this issues. Thank you once more I truly appreciate your time❤️

I am not aware of that. If I see it I'll surely condemn it. Every human have to be respected regardless of where they come from, who they are, or the color of their skin

Thanks for your contribution, I appreciate your time. You see France is not a Saint it's what we all know and they have committed a lot of atrocities against the black population which till today they're still doing. That's not the topic for today. That song is normal in Argentina because their football culture enable them to throw shades and banter at each other without deriving any meaning from it as aside football chants but that doesn't make it right in other societies.

@@KickoffDiscussions entiendo tu punto , voy a habrir un zoologico de gente francesa para que el argentino vea y aprenda como es vivir correctamente , si quieres participar ...tienes un lugar , abrazo grande

And why that type of chants have been culturally allowed in stadiums? Because it is the product of the vulgar man (and it has permeated to other strata, who understand what it is all about), it is one more form of entertainment in the show, to see who can come up with the most witty offensive lyrics and the catchiest song. To want to censor this is like wanting to censor dark humor. In stadiums we know how to differentiate this from going for a fight, physical violence. Will this change as Argentina's economic situation improves and the population becomes more educated? Sure, and I hope so. Educated people find other forms of entertainment more sophisticated than playing to see who can make the most offensive insult. But this is what it is for the moment, and for those who have been to a stadium, it must have brought a smile to their faces, and they know that it is part of the show. From the outside, some moralist may want to come and point the finger, but again, this is like if they want to come and censor the word ne gr or (again, so that TH-cam does not censor me) in Argentina. They are different cultural contexts and different societies, which have experienced different things. I wouldn't go to the US and use that word as I do here, but they can't expect me not to use it here either, that would be crazy. It's the same with all this chanting on the field. Am I defending what Enzo did? No, it is not an appropriate song to sing in a stadium, nor in front of an audience, and especially if you are a player of the national team and it can reach France, where they will feel offended (and rightly so) and interpret it differently. That's why nobody in Argentina sings it here (or maybe some small random group), and also because there is no such rivalry with France, even though after the World Cup final there will surely be more rivalry. But now, the song has become more known because of this, which is pretty bad. Having said that, what else can Enzo do, but to make an apology, after such a silly mistake? His career at Chelsea is surely over now, but there isn't too much else he can do. He will have to pay the price of making this stupid mistake. But does that turn him into a racist? Absolutely not!, from the perspetive of the Argentinian football culture, it's just a silly mistake. And if the media wouldn't had noticed it, it would had rapidly faded away, and the song forgotten in the dark corners of Argentinian football chants, that it seems that was invented by a small group of young guys, that sang it on live TV during the 2022 World Cup while the reporter let them finnish out of curiosity, and was saying: "Noooo, noooo, censored".

Wow! Thank for taking your time to provide comprehensive perspective on this issue. I have had an Argentine explain this to me yesterday as well and I now understand where the while banter came from. The person made me understand as you've also note that banter in Argentina is just part of football and no special meaning was derived from it aside just enjoying the moments. In Enzo's case, I hope there's redemption for him because thats how they throw shades where he comes from. If we all understand this i think it'll pass like it never happened and i truly believe that he has learnt his lessons that what's acceptable in a society may be offensive in another society. I truly appreciate you for this holistic explanation. Thanks and please drop your Instagram handle let's connect. Mine is instagram.com/kickoff_discussions?igsh=aWx0bTR3cDlqdWQ1

@@KickoffDiscussions No problem brother! Sorry for the delay in my answer. Yes, in Enzo's and other players case, they probably just started singing all the songs they knew and have heard from the fans, that's how tipically here players celebrate, specially after a meaningful win. Having said that, as I said, it's not that we consider that Enzo didn't do anything wrong, obviously that's a "forbidden song", as it can be really offensive to the other side, if they hear it. From our side is something like "Hey, France is getting all its players from Africa" (and there is a lot of respect towards African football here, as we played many tough African teams over the years, and in fact, one of my favourite players is Okocha, because of him when I player Fifa 2001 I choosed PSG), but of course, it later insults Mbappe (as is typical here towards main players, even Messi when he lost the finals in a row, where people would say things like "European dwarf hormone-treated"), and for me, that's really the offensive part. That's why the chants when our national team play are completely different, and mainly only focused on supporting our team, to avoid these cultural clashes. The guys that invented the lyrics were just kids and ignorants about the problematic of inmigrants in Europe at the moment, and probably just fooling around. And sorry, but I don't have any social media account other than TH-cam, I'm very antisocial and I have a very strong mandate of not making my existence known, lol. TH-cam feed gave me your video as suggestion after I commented on another video related to this, and I found super interesting to listen your perspective. Good luck with your channel! It can be tough, but keep improving and perseverate and you surely will succed, all the best!

@@lugarci1 I am so happy that I am having this conversation with you and sharing perspectives on this issue. You've made valid points and I totally agree with you. Obviously the team was caught in the euphoria of the winning and the way teams celebrate winning differs across the world. I know for sure that they've learnt a lot from this situation, I strongly believe that football connects the world if not we won't be having this conversation. It's unfortunate that you didn't have any social account 😪 but regardless please show up on my channel whenever you have the chance. I truly appreciate you for your time, support, and words of encouragement ❤️ Thank you and I wish you all the best 👌

I appreciate your point of view. As you've rightly said whats acceptable in a society is offensive in other societies. We just need to navigate these sensitivities to keep our society safe and healthy 🙏 ❤️

@@martingarciablaya3262 Thank you for your time. This is a sensitive topic and it all boils down to the players of the French national team. Coming out to defend their players is the right to do and I think the players representing them loved to do so.

@@KickoffDiscussions thank you for your response. Can you address any of my points? Like the fact that most of the players were born in African countries exploited by France? Don't you think that calling Enzo racist is a bit of a streach? How this joke of a song gets more atention than the brutallity that black people gets from French police every day?

@@martingarciablaya3262 France is not a Saint when it comes to the level of abuse they dish out to the black people. And now theirs a wave of countries parting way with them because they have been exploiting Africa of its resources for many decades including natural and human resources. All their colonies are held to ransome because their reserve is in France and not in their countries. Yes, I understand that France is causing Africa pains and they've committed a lot of atrocities and they have not stop.

@@alvaroalejandolaguna6819 wow, thanks for providing your perspective on this issue I truly appreciate you. Sometimes in the future I would love to have you on my podcast to discuss some of these issues. I truly appreciate your time. I agree with you that it's a sensitive matter and it's hard to say how you do football banter in your country. So, that song was offensive to be sincere and people take offense when the full meaning of the song was published. As, you've rightly said you didn't take it serious from your end because it's normal and something you do for fun. I'd love to speak to you about this soon. I hope you have the time.

@@alvaroalejandolaguna6819 what's your Instagram or tiktok let's connect?

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It's a sensitive topic and they the argentine players should know better because football is used as an avenue to create awareness against racism and discrimination. These are there teammates they singing against. I understand that banter is part of football but do it in a way that doesn't include race or discrimination

You know football is a global language and racial abuse has been going on in football for a very long time. Footballers are role models to majority of the younger generation and they have enormous impact on these young people. Seeing that attitude from an entire team will give them an impression to talk down on others people thinking it's normal.

Amen. France, the u.s and the english....should just s t f u !!!...with they psychological projection.

I understand your point of view but that's not how it works. If they're throwing shades and banter at French national team its understandable, however, there's a high sensitivity when it comes to anything concerning racial identities and that topic needs to be carefully addressed. Did you know that mbappe wish to play for Cameron when he's not well-known but the corrupt nature of our people led his back to France.

@KickoffDiscussions Belive me, if Mbappe wanted to play for Cameron he could have been, but like a lot of players they feel ashamed of their roots, look Garnacho, he wanted to play in argentina and he was born in Spain.

@@DANNY2OX let's look at inaki Williams too. He was born in Spain but now he's playing for Ghana. Sébastien Haller born in Netherlands and playing for ivory coast. There numerous examples as well. You see migration and the law in European country enable them to play for the country of their birth or even if any of their parent comes from that country. My own point they're are not ashamed of their root but they chose to play for the country of their birth or choice. When would you be available? let's discuss on TH-cam live if that's okay by you!

The chant doesnt mention any race. Youre assuming race discrimination when the song is about African colonization.

@@lisandroasiain8816 Agreed that's what the song is about but the context also matters because there's sensitivity when it comes to racial matters

I agree with yoy and up till now Messi is yet to say anything. There have been some of his team mates who have lend their supportive voice to him and their vice president as well saying it's just a football song

@@damienakatubbyable really??? The France needs to go from Africa and apologize for deacades of violent colonialism

@@martingarciablaya3262 football is different from any other affairs. It's a global language and it's been a strong voice for campaigning against any unusual act in our societies. The song may mean nothing to the argentine because that's how they do football banter. However, that doesn't mean it's acceptable somewhere else

@@KickoffDiscussions the song has the same meaning in Argentina as in the rest of the world. It points out to the fact that the French national team would be irrelevant if it wasn't for the amazing players their former and current colonies in Africa provide. I guess that for you Enzo has more responsability when it comes to racial discrimination in France than Emmanuel Macron head of colonialist murderous state ...

@@martingarciablaya3262 I partly agree with you but everyone have responsibility and we should all be responsible for our actions

@@allaboutcristiano2 Thank you. Much appreciated 🙏