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Are you talking about Mojogrip’s TSI?

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You give performance specs. For What engine??! What trailer are you going to put it in??! Do you even know the width with the wings folded?? Wow

The Ranger lineup are incredible planes and the Dynon is outstanding. In the cockpit state-of-the-art technology, but upfront 70-year-old technology. A state-of-the-art engine that is lighter and fadec-controlled, like a Rotax, would have been a better choice IMO.

What burns 15 (or even 12) GPH and only runs at 90 knots?

You think you know what you want but you aren't asking the right questions. You'll find no matter what you choose, you won't be able to guess how you will actually use it let alone the questions that haven't come up yet like insurance, maintenance, repairs, builder support, you might be surprised at the difference. I have a RV 6A and it's perfect for MOST of the flying I and the wife want to do. I do wish sometimes I had a 4 place, but most of the time it's perfect. She's small, fast and good on fuel. The best advice I can give is FLY, not build, buy a good experimental and FLY! Once you do that you can get a better idea of how you will actually use a plane and then build one to suit. Taking that build step and investment of time is just putting the cart before the horse IMO... I can tell you this, you should just get whatever you think you'll enjoy and can afford and enjoy the ride, you won't make a perfect decision and it doesn't matter. Just...FLY.

Looks like you're on the right track. Good luck with your choice. Keen to see what you're going with.

Absolutely, don't miss out on the incredible Sling High Wing experimental airplane kit! Its modern beauty is truly captivating. 👍

High wing you are sitting at the bottom of the pendulum Low wing you are above. You can sit i9n the shade of a high wing when parked and also see the ground on either side of you. Greetings from South Africa. Sling country.

Received my Series 7 Super Sport in April... really enjoying the build so far!

Yep…. I started the RV-10, even finished the empennage kit, and had to tap out. The reality of the end price was just too much. Honestly, my flying is all local $100 hamburgers anyway. So I built a Zenith with a Viking engine. Love the engine!

I'd like to see a side by side performance comparison of the two with each loaded with 1,000 lbs of stuff. I think most would be much more comfortable about clearing the trees at the end of the runway in the 260 hp RV than the 141 (?) hp sling. The math just says the RV will substantially out accelerate and outclimb the Sling at heavier weights. At lighter weights, it'll still have better runway performance, but the delta won't be as noticeable.

Bro a homie just passed away on a a experimental a bird hit the wing that was it he was a pilot

Like you, I have always wanted to build an airplane. Like you, I am a student pilot. Like you, I am also having challenges deciding which plane to build. Like you, I have to do more research. It is a great and exciting time to be involved in the growing Experimental Aircraft movement. Good luck to us both, and to the thousands of others, in reaching our dreams.

Huh had no Idea Kit fox had an LAS and a folding wing version! Which would fit my mission of one day getting an "cheap" LSA and parking in a trailer at my subervban house.

I was looking at an Apollo Fox if I were to buy an LSA today as it's cheap around $100 new $30K used and it fits in a 24 foot long trailer so I can park it in my suburban back yard... So the question I have is... do the wings fold? Edit: just asked ChatGPT and no they don't fold it seems what a shame...

Nice video! Hey I am 54 ans I just started my PPL a week ago!

I am looking for a Mooney type airplane yoke control, economic, safe , long range, ideal to travel around the world

If you slow the RV-10 down to a Sling's speed, its fuel burn will be comparable. I don't know what a sling costs to build, but I expect my current QB RV-10 build to top $200k. Fuel costs get lost in the noise after spending that much for a plane. The Sling sounds like an awesome plane, but after owning a Mooney for 25 years, I wanted more room and ease of entry. I don't really need four seats, but the aforementioned is even why I chose the RV-10 over the RV-14. It looks to me like the high wing Sling might be a better choice in that regard, as well.

Great info, but since you're new, are you open to some advice? If you're going to read a script (which is fine), probably shouldn't have the camera on you. I'd leave that just for voice over. While on-camera, be sure to fully engage the camera. (sorry... I've been through this training before and it really separates a good presentation from a great presentation).

If you want an all metal kitfox that’s roughly 10% bigger I’d go with a Rans S-21. The kitfox is small and tight inside.

I have not done the math but there is an important issue that you neglect to mention. Speed vs GPM. When I learned to fly over 20 years ago I met a guy with a Pitts who said "A fast airplane is an economical one." Even if a plane does burn more gallons per hour, if you get to your destination in fewer hours it might still use less fuel. The Pitts compared to a Glasair for a trip to Florida from Endicott New Yuck was way more expensive in the Pitts because, after every 8 hours of flying, he added an additional $100 to the fuel budget for a hotel room. For only a slight difference in speed, speed vs GPM or LPM for the non American crowd might not make much difference but if you are building your own plane you can choose what engine to put in it. DeltaHawk is finally certified so that will make a huge difference in fuel economy if you go that way with the engine. Having said all of that I really could care less what kind of plane you build.

Nice video & apologies as this will be a longish comment. I took delivery of my Ranger in January 2022 and after training at the factory near Seattle, flew it home to Florida at mostly around 9k feet. The entire ordering process, delivery and after delivery support have been outstanding. The Ranger was designed by an experienced aeronautical engineer and the owner of Dynon and Vashon is a true gentleman. The Dynon avionics and autopilot are outstanding and the airplane itself is more capable than given credit. While flying home over the Cascades, I was quite happy to have a reliable O-200D up front. Though it will easily cruise at 110kts, I usually settle for 105kts at a leisurely 2,400rpm. This has me burning just a touch over 5 gph. I'm 6'2" and my wife 6'1" and the Ranger offers more room than any airplane in its class. I like low wings, but living in Florida, the sun can be brutal under a canopy. The Ranger always gives me shade and I like that. The engine is well matched with the Catto prop and I have never felt a lack of performance in this hot environment. As for a cold environment and running a carbureted engine, the Ranger displays carb temp right in front of you. As soon as a I see it drop to around 45 degrees, you just squeeze in a little bit of carb heat to keep it above that, so no issues at all with icing. As to weight discussions, all LSA's have to deal with the same arbitrary limit. Granted, it is the rule and it is a current paper limitation to be observed. With Mosaic, we should see a design specific allowable weight and I know the Ranger has been design and destructive tested up to around 1,600lbs. I would anticipate that with the new rule, Vashon will issue revised performance and W&B paperwork reflecting a gross weight of just over 1,500lbs. Even if that doesn't come to pass, I'm a very happy Ranger owner today. I've owned a half dozen airplanes of various kinds and the Ranger checked all the boxes. I can go fly around for 30 minutes without guilt of wasting turbo's, cycling a gear, etc. Or, I can take a nice trip and enjoy the Dynon HDX experience. Going back to the box thing, yes, the Ranger is a bit boxy, but when Amazon delivers something, it's in the same shape, so maybe they're on to something.

Airline money soon, airline money soon, airline money soon

140k for base model is affordable to WHO? not the average person.

For a new fully built certified Aircraft, I guess $139,500 is affordable...even if you can only have one friend. It's hard to compare an experimental that you have to build yourself with certified but if I didn't go experimental, I'd still be dreaming instead of working towards aircraft ownership. I estimate $80,000 US by the time It's done, Only the prop and and avionics left to buy and I'm budgeting around $15K for those two items. Of course it will be a little more as I go but that's the rough initial price. It took me a while to get the end of the videos right, it's not very intuitive and some of mine are still a bit dodgy at the end. I think you're inspiring me to make some shorter videos.

Love this little aircraft - unfortunately the venerable O200 just isn’t enough for me.

Unfortunately TH-cam is not showing my suggested videos that I'm talking about at the end.

Hey, cool topic, I'm considering the ilevil 3AW for my velocity. If it was IFR approved, then most certainly. Look up the cost of a transponder, It's 60s technology at a very modern price.

Bravo

They should really consider offering side-sticks or yokes as an option, in my humble opinion.

Your specs are incorrect for the standard build, standard engine RV-10. It’s more like 160 kt cruise, 10.5-14.0 gph at 10-13K. They both are nice aircraft. I built my SB 10 in 2000 hours. Two years first rivet to first test flight. My wife and children helped when able. Perseverance.

Keep in mind that the sling TSI has a max speed in indicated while the RV 10 has a max speed true airspeed. The sling TSI with the turbo has more performance at 20,000 ft than the RV 10 and can climb all the way to 28,000 ft at gross at 500 ft a minute. It also has a faster cruise speed at high altitude. This means that if you are doing a lot of cross country, high altitude flights, The sling TSI might make more sense because it performs even better at high altitude and you don't run into barber pole factors that limit you

$8 a gallon?! Where?? Not even in California is it 8 lol. It's 5.45 at my local airport in CA

If 2400$ a year are big money for you don’t even start building an aircraft

Sounds like you think the tsi is the better option. I think it is. I looked at the rv-10 and found it to be very time-consuming to build, expensive to run, and maintain. The kit price isn't bad, but the new engine price is stupid, and that's not including all the fwf gear you will need. Remember you'll need to spend thousands on tools. I also didn't like the vertical bar right in the middle of the windscreen, I'm not going to say it was poor engineering but c'mon. I got a quote for the tsi, The kit is pricy and the parachute option is good and may not be a negotiable item if the wife hears about it. The engine, while designed in the 90s, it's a lot more modern than the lycoming, but the price is still crazy given its size. I also thought the 141 Hp (135Hp) was still rather small for 4 people, but the tsi seems to pull it off. In the end, it was still going to be too expensive to maintain. Cheaper to run but i didn't like the idea of having to climb up over and down to ingress/egress the plane. Not really into high wings either, the design seems ancient, I wanted something modern. As far as reliability goes, who knows, all aircraft engines have been known to explode while in mid flight, from 150s to SR22s. Doesn't seem right in this day and age but here we are. Which one more than others...? you might think you got the odds on your side but you're still rolling the dice. Experimental is the way to go, buy rather than build, if you want to get flying soon. I'm building, so I'm not sure what limitations you would have if you're not the builder. Certified GA, you would be forking out the thousands routinely and always wondering how much life you have left in the engine, if you're lucky you just need a new cylinder(s) every few years. Like you probably know, you have to fly often and probably when you prefer not too (costing money) or replace the engine sooner (costing lots of money). There's no getting off lightly. Certified engines and A&Ps are not cheap. If you want to travel, fast will save you money. remember to evaluate MPG rather than gallons per hour. I think only student pilots think gallons per hour is important. I chose a different route to get 4 people into the sky while saving the 10s of thousands (maybe even a hundred thousand) for fuel and travelling, it just won't be soon. Have a watch of my vids if you're still considering your options.

Great video. Thanks for this. I really like everything about the Sling HW. I wonder if it could handle 26 Alaskans on the tail dragger version and do some Bush flying. Or carbon fiber amphibious floats.

I fly out of KCON as well...just got my PPL. If you're going on to instrument we can be safety pilots for one another.

Just wait until the rotax 916iS is put in this airframe.Should see big increase in climb rate.

The RV-10 feels like more of a true four seater airplane given the roomier cabin, particularly in the rear seats.

You could try to work a few 72 hour shifts?

You could have seen, inspected and sat in this airplane at Oshkosh. I did. And I have a deposit on one.

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