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I think Lutherans and Catholics are the same I don’t see much difference . According to Catholics you are saved by your works

How about believers baptism . Jesus said whoever believes , how a child can believe .

Pelagian heresy

Heres the question then. Since you guys follow Luther. Can you be saved without being baptized? If you can't. Then you might as well throw out all the scriptures that say you are saved without baptism. I guess the thief on the cross was just a special occasion that Jesus allowed. I guess John 3:16 was wrong. Letters in Red here, Jesus speaking here. Many of John the Baptist converts were baptized in Jesus name only. Why? Because he was preparing the way for Jesus Christ to come. When Jesus comes on the scene he says to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. He reveals the Father and Holy Spirit. People had to get rebaptized. That's where you have the anabaptist. Known as the rebaptizers. Because people were baptized in the name of Jesus only. John's message was for the forgiveness of sins. Jesus message was for making disciples, then baptizing them now in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Not just one name but by all three who are one. Here baptism was to show the people that they have accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior but Also identifing the whole God head of the Trinity. John baptized with water, but there is one who is coming after me, who will baptized you with the Holy Ghost and fire. When was the people baptized? After they believed. Now where else in the bible where they baptized. When did you hear of a kid baptized? I'm Sorry, but you got to put down mans word and read the Bible. Do not add or take away to it. By the way, the word Christian is in the Bible. That was the name given by outsiders to make fun of the followers of Jesus Christ. Can't find Luther or Lutheran anywhere in the Bible. We follow Jesus Christ not Luther. People read the Bible for yourself and don't be deceived by traditions of men.

Let’s all remember Hitler was baptized as a baby

I’m curious if Lutherans believe Jesus’ words when he told the man on the cross beside him that he would be with him in paradise today. The other man on the cross was not baptized and by this Lutheran perspective then Jesus had to have been lying.

Even AFTER it is blessed, it remains just bread and wine. Your heart is what is different.

Baptism does NOT save.

Baptism is no where in the Bible for infants. It's for those who know full well they are repenting. It was invented by Catholic church because it was taught that it would protect babies from going to hell but the Bible is clear that kids who don't have the capacity to know are not condemned and God gives the example of why Israel did not make it to the promised land by the young generation did make it and it is explained why! The same with King Davis baby. He wasn't baptized but David said he will see him so infant baptism is not biblical at all but the blessing of children is but not baptism. So sad that doctrines are made up when they are not in the Bible like praying to Saints or Mary or Eucharist where Jesus is sacrificed over and over and Bible says he has been sacrificed once and for all! Know your Bibles and make sure that whatever comes from the pulpit is exactly what's in the Bible and not a man made doctrine

Thank you for the reminder that Jesus is always the same and does not change and his promises are everlasting.❤

Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” ...So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls. (Acts 2:37-39, 41) I don't know how anyone reading that passage can say with confidence and conviction that there were never any babies baptized by the church in the apostolic era. Peter is telling the audience at Pentecost (in essence), "Bring your children, because this is for them too." And the apostles, who OFFENDED Jesus by keeping infants away from Him in Matthew 19, Mark 10, and Luke 18, are not going to keep them away from Him at Pentecost. It goes on to say in verse 41 that about three thousand "souls" were added to the church that day. Not men. Not women. Not adults. Human beings... "souls." There is no baptismal register from the Day of Pentecost. That babies were baptized there cannot be supported with the same kind of evidence that you will find in the office of any Lutheran church in America today. But the text could hardly be any clearer! Look at it with open eyes! It's pointing to a wide-open font. Bring yourselves. Bring your children. Call "everyone" from near and far to come and receive the grace of God in the washing of regeneration. On that day they were not turning anyone away. So, if you want to say that the apostles never baptized babies, you cannot support that opinion from Acts, especially not Acts 2. It doesn't say that infants were included or excluded, but the bias in the language is clearly pointing toward inclusion for "every one of you."

Pride month = satanic month! The Bible is clear about this problem.

Pastor Mike is NOT a Baptist. 🤦🏼‍♂️ How can John the Baptist prepare the way of the Lord to infants? And your explanation of Roman’s 6 is weak! And yes it represents your confession of repentance and belief! And where is the comma in Matt 28? Weak argument again. Question, Should we give infants communion also? If not why?

Sir where in the bible do you read of infant baptism?

What I do not understand about adult Inly baptism is this scenario: children are sinful yet Jesus references their innocence. Let’s take the Old Testament custom and say Grace is given to under 12 children if they die. Most born again identity the ages to have a personal conversion from mid teens and upwards. So our God ignored the 12 thru mid teens as Damned because they are not Aware enough to make that choice???… seems out of character for our God Just doesn’t make sense

Wow…. This was awesomely spoken

Matthew 3:11 “I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire." What repentance do babies need? Which sins can they consciously repent of?

I cannot believe that you believe this despite what the Word of God says? You just go with tradition from the Roman Catholic. Some things in life I just cannot believe that people something that is not part of the Word of God.

Sorry! I know too many people who think they are saved because they were baptized as an infant. They never make a personal commitment to “confess with their mouth Jesus Christ as Lord and believe in their hearts God raised Him from the dead” and therefore they are not saved. Romans 10:9

Even though because of Martin Luther’s protest against what the Roman Catholic “church” was doing is why we have Protestant church the former still managed to set up another version of themselves. If baptism isn’t necessary even for adults to be saved, the thief on the cross next to Jesus was saved , let alone infants not needing it. They don’t even need to accept our Lord as savior. They have a free ticket. Read about David’s son from Bathsheba

I was born and raised a Lutheran. Now I lean a bit more to the Baptists. I am also bothered a bit by Baptism and wonder if I should be Baptised as an adult. But I also question what you said about Baptisim being necessary for salvation. We have Grace through faith. It is by Faith alone that we have salvation? Correct? I also have seen the direction that the Lutheran Church has taken on lgbtq issues and when I see their mistakes concerning that I find it hard to follow other Lutheran teachings. I also thought the Bible says we must be born again of the Spirit, and that is where the adult Baptism comes in. But, I do feel like being baptized as a baby is that covering of protection until we are old enough to proclaim our faith in Jesus. And one last question as this made me think. We follow the Bible, and if it doesn't line up with what the Bible says it's wrong. Such as the lgbtq issues and women in ministry issues, correct?

A well done broadcast. As an aside, speaking as somebody who went from Baptist to Pentecostal/Charismatic to Wesleyan to Calvinist to Lutheran (yeah... long story on that one), I was surprised to find that Wesleyans are a mixed bag on the sacraments. If you talk to United Methodist (and most likely Global Methodist) members, you'll find something more akin to Wesley's original beliefs about the sacraments; which, incidentally, while not on par with Luther's, are most definitely NOT Zwinglian. Wesley himself believed in sacramental efficacy, and attests to this in his writings, as well as in some of his brother Charles' hymns. However, if you talk to a Free Methodist or Church of the Nazarene member, you'll hear the typical evangelical line about the sacraments being only symbolic. The oddness about this is that the Free Methodist/Nazarene/Church of God-Anderson branches of Wesleyanism, while generally more conservative doctrinally, actually depart from Wesley's more conservative and historic take on the sacraments. It's not unlike a Calvinist Baptist compared to a Calvinist Presbyterian or an old-school Calvinist Dutch Reformed in their variance on the sacraments. Funny enough--part of what solidified my conversion to Lutheranism was the fact that both Calvin and Wesley had higher views of the sacraments than a great number of the churches that walk in their traditions. Even in more historic Calvinism, where at least some sort of efficacy was attached to baptism and the Lord's Supper, it almost seems like an embarrassing topic to bring up, possibly because the more "high church" Calvinists don't want to get into arguments with the Calvinist Baptists. And as for the Free Methodists/Nazarenes who depart from Wesley on their sacramental theology, it basically just comes across as wanting to be accepted by the broader stream of mainline evangelicalism, so they seem to "jump ship" on the issue.

If I understood right, his conclusion was that we should not go by what the Bible says, but by what Catholic tradition says that was started hundreds of years later than the first second third, generations of Christians. Yes, I am a Baptist. I find it interesting that I’ve all churches, the Lutheran Church, which found all these wrong with the Catholic Church, still go along with him on this one thing. And he pretty much admits that there is no biblical teaching for infant baptism. Unless of course you read lot and into something that was not intended by Paul. With all the church, he never clearly taught to baptize your babies.

There is a Bible passage in Joel 2: 10-16, here God is calling people to a day of repentance. If you look at the list of people who were to come, it said children and nursing infants were to come. So if baptism is for the forgiveness of sins and God in the Old Testament calls children and nursing infants to come to a day of repentance, then shouldn't they be baptized? Circumcision and baptism are also connected. So infants should be baptized, because it is God's work not ours that will take place in their hearts. Someone once realized that her little child who was unable to speak would never be allowed to be baptized because he wouldn't be able to verbally confess faith to be baptized, she realized her child still needed to receive the Holy Spirit and so she took him to be baptized, because it is how the Holy Spirit begins this work of salvation. Jesus says let the little children come to me, and yes they were infants. I was baptized as an infant and I don't remember a day that I didn't believe in Jesus, I had parents who taught God's word and prayed for me, I feel very blessed.

You must repent as a portion of salvation, meaning you won't be saved FROM sin if you continue in it. You can't repent if you are not aware of it or don't feel genuine sorry over it. A baby cannot be aware of sin nor can he choose to repent. So, baby baptism is unbiblical.

Anyone talking from a Catholic-lite position shouldn't be taken seriously. There is just so much wrong with you all's theology.

Evangelicals have such a gnostic view of Christianity.

Preaching the gospel brings the hearing hearts to a consciousness of sin, righteousness and judgement to come. No infant is able to respond with faith. And no thinking person can call sprinkling baptism. Since the Word itself means immersion. Even Luther had only words but no reason to defend that practice. At best it's a dedication ceremony. But no babe is a Christian by sprinkling water on his head and declaring him to be so. Believing parents can however bring up the child in the Word with faith and love demonstrated daily. That child will one day make a decision to follow Christ, then demonstrate his faith with a baptism, immersion with Christ,death and burial and raised to new life in Christ. My hope is built on nothing less than Jesus blood and righteousness. Coming up out of the water we have believed Rom chapter 6,7,and 8. Now no sin has dominion over me, my spirit man is saved and sealed unto God Almighty, the seal Holy Spirit Himself. Now daily I am walking by faith in the finished work of Christ. It is a glorious, victorious experience. The teachings of Christ are in my heart to fulfill daily. In Word and in deed. Holy Spirit my teacher, is the kindest, most gentle teacher. Revealing the Father's love daily. Loving me, protecting me, delivering me day by day and with each passing moment from the effects of sin on my life. The cares of the world, the trials of life, the self focus. I constantly just lift my eyes to Him. He is my reason for living. He is my choice in all my decisions. No one and nothing thrills my soul like Jesus.

Whoever is Baptized and Believes will be saved.... in the Bible.

Mike Winger would have you believe that Christ spoke in the language of cavemen. 🙄

I was brought up as a very young child, four years old, in the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod and started out by attending Sunday school, and then my parents sent me to church school of the same church. But, even from a very young age, I didn't really understand why babies got baptized. All of the baptisms that are recorded in the Bible are done because the person being baptized wanted it to happen. It appeared to me, and still does, that the public confession and the fact that a person publicly is baptized is a very huge part of the action. I would agree completely that the Holy Spirit does the work. There is no biblical record of an infant being baptized. But in addition to all this, I cannot recall ever seen an adult being baptized during a church service. I've been to thousands of them. Why is that? It is almost as though a person has to be an infant to get baptized? And of course that's obviously not true. Yet, I've never seen an adult get baptized. I remember attending a service not too long ago where the pastor asked the congregation, "Who here remembers their baptism?", and no one raised their hand. That was not the response he was seeking, and he let out a little half chuckle, and corrected himself and said of course you wouldn't; you were an infant at the time. But as I sat there, it dawned on me that that's a pretty important thing, isn't it? Shouldn't I absolutely remember getting baptized? All of the baptisms that are recorded in the Bible are ones where the person getting baptized would absolutely remember it. I think that when Luther made the break from Catholic, infant baptism should have also been left behind. But I'm still a Lutheran. I also got rebaptized in another church.

John list 9 I AM statements. Which of these are not metaphorical?

Excellent message! Using this for instruction.

Mike's view of the Jewish Passover traditions is quite wrong. Passover wasn't merely a tradition, it was/is very much a religious Worship event. But that doesn't fit his narrative. American Christianity teaches that Salvation is available for us, and applies to us once we do something, usually a personal confession of Faith. Pretty the common ideology across most of American Protestantism/Evangelicalism. Lutheranism is more about saying that Salvation applies to us, period, and we embrace/worship through how we do things, such as confession and/or how we practice Lord's Supper, etc. Which view is more like Roman Catholicism? The view that we must do something before salvation applies? Hmm... In this I believe the Lutheran position is the better reflection of the Jewish Passover celebration.

Bravo sir! Couldn’t agree more about the unfortunate attitudes of many so called “American Evangelicals.” God will surely hold them to account.

It appears your synod ordains women. Is this correct?

Amen

On my neighborhood block there are no infants and no school-age children. It’s a huge assumption to state that there simply must have been infants in the households of those whom the Bible said everyone believed and was baptized.

Is this really true, that evangelicals don’t like Lutherans? I live in a part of the country where everyone is atheistic or liberal Christian. I have a totally different experience.

Serious question, and please correct me if I'm wrong. You seem to make the argument that Romans 6 does not describe that baptism is a representation of anything. However, it says that we have been buried with Christ, which is in fact figurative language. It is either a metaphor or represents the fact that we are dead to our sins. So if it is using representative or metaphorical language in discussing baptism, I don't think you can say that it is not representative or metaphorical.

Excellent presentation on Infant Baptism!! Pastor Wittrock retired Lutheran Pastor!!

All I hear from you are traditions of men. I watched all of Mike’s video. I’m having a hard time listening to your video. The entire church should come together. I hate hearing how different Lutherans are from the rest of us. There is only one body of Christ. It’s not a checklist to follow. No infant children are not saved by baptism. No one is saved by baptism. We are saved by a relationship with Christ. Christ is the judge. Infant baptism implies that you are saving someone by your actions and you are not the savior.

The bible makes clear distinction of salvation, conversion, and post-salvation devotion. John 3 reminds us that the families we are born into are quite one and done moments. Such is the mans conversion. He does seek to be reborn but does not seek to find security in and by his moral behaviors. See the Etheopian Eunuch, Paul, on and on throughout history. Salvivic is indeed a one and done as each man repents of his unbelief (no child ir infant can do this) Salvivic is indeed a once and done moment in history and time as the veil is rent. (Heb 10:1-8). Creating an ideology of insecurity born of wrong Christology alows for a human institution to step in and monetize unaware souls--create a system (denomination) that is a replacement of Christ in such a way that no security is had without the new sysem. Like a new car purchase where the dealer preaches no warranty unless all parts and service (post one and done purchase) clever marketing indeed and it works as long as the membership allows the paid staff to read and pray for them in salvivic style. Good pastor, new birth is not optional if Jesus has anything to say about it. And no, despite your prejudiced anti-emotional fear, not all born again believers experience such feelings, neither do they rely on them when and if they come.

Ditto on the use of the term :"Evangelical" in the comment below. Seems I remember that "Evangelical" was a favorite phrase of Martin Luther. Moreover, one of the fundamental principles of the Marxist/Leftist movement is taking over/re-appropriating all language for themselves. While the popular connotation of "fundamentalist" is negative (and goes back way beyond 20 years ago), the original use of that term around 1900AD emphasized the core principles of the Gospel that were being trashed by Liberalism (the grandaddy of today's Left). Just a thought.

Dear brother, I understand that you come from everything from a Lutheran angle because that is who you are. That being said, I would pose to you the possibility that those who are asking for a simple Christian response to the issue at hand are asking for a scriptural explanation. If you are convinced that the lutheran faith is the right interpretation of scripture then that shouldn’t be that hard for a lutheran minister to do without using your confessions. I’m a reformed Christian and would tell my Pastor something similar.

An infant has no trust or belief! scripture says: believe and be baptized.

Back in the 80s the church I went a lot of the people were reading his book on prayer.

baptism of the holy cleanses the spirt, not water baptism born of water, the womb, of the holy spirit, our spirit. repent for salvation, a baby cannot repent. Water baptism symbolizes the believer’s total trust in and total reliance on the Lord Jesus Christ, as well as a commitment to live obediently to Him. It also expresses unity with all the saints (Ephesians 2:19), that is, with every person in every nation on earth who is a member of the Body of Christ (Galatians 3:27-28). Water baptism conveys this and more, but it is not what saves us. Instead, we are saved by grace through faith, apart from works (Ephesians 2:8-9). We are baptized because our Lord commanded it: “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 28:19). The fact that water baptism is not a prerequisite for salvation is best seen in the example of a saved man who was not baptized in water-the criminal on the cross (Luke 23:39-43). This self-confessed sinner acknowledged Jesus as his Lord while dying on a cross next to Him. The thief asked for salvation and was forgiven of his sins. Although he never experienced water baptism, at that moment he was spiritually baptized into Christ’s death, and he then was raised to eternal life by the power of Christ’s word (Hebrews 1:3).

I would love to hear you thoughts about the latest two seasons. There is a particular scene where they had Jesus say, "I Am the Law of Moses". Me personally, I don't see that as particularly problematic but I hear a lot of out cry.

I would have to say right off the bat, that the only way to achieve this “balance“ is to be in the presence of Jesus Christ in prayer, and in his word, so very saturated in it, and so committed to practicing his principles out of a sheer joy that we will meet the erring person, no matter who they are love them, but never given an inch on sin, Whether it be sexual or anything else. Same goes for the planks in our own eyes. This is a high and holy calling and who is sufficient for it?