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Questioning what to do with your life in your early 20s... as an INTP
In this video I'm going to talk about decision making in your early 20s. This is the time an INTP has it's "mid-life-crisis". Should you go to University? Should you follow what everybody is saying? Can I be happy without a degree? I'm trying to provide a bit of an understanding what might help and not to worry too much.
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Why does life suck so much.. as an INTP?
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I was just having some thoughts about a couple of things and thought it might be a nice idea to just get them out and of my shoulder. I have just recently discovered that I'm an INTP and it might my understanding of myself so much easier and more fun. I hope you enjoy my little rant and maybe leave some of your thoughts.
From 10 to 30 seconds i pretty much saw the vastness of whatever it is through your eyes dayum
I kind of started picking up the way things were going to go if I were to do the traditional career path thing and I realized that if I think I am smarter than these people that I want money from, then I should be able to make money without going through them. It turns out you can and it isn't even harder than jumping through their arbitrary hoops. I think INTPs can benefit so much from figuring out how to go after what you want without having someone there telling you what to do. So much energy is lost on the endless unnecessary minutae involved in proving your worth and if you can use that energy instead on things that directly go towards benefitting your skills/business/etc. you will have a much better outcome.
Just found out I'm an INTP, after meeting another rare type, every thing I found out and what you said resonates. Most of my life people have thought and sometimes said to my face, there is something wrong with me. Feels like I've wasted my life, not knowing there are others out there.
I can save her
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I'm willing to suggest perhaps it could be a false dichotomy. And that the time is now to move towards what is important. You're right it's important to recognize what's real. And by extent, as you've gifted me, defining what is important. For the longest time I *thought I was alone; mostly just playing video games, watching cartoons, exploring and *listening to videos. I think partly my desire to learn moved me to listen, though I'll admit of course I don't recollect everything. But I do think the world needs more hope. Indeed the doomerism drives me nuts. But the truth is if it wasn't for shows like Idea Channel, Philosophy Tube, Extra Credits, PlayFrame, Idea Project. I would not have gone down this path. Notably yeah there is a lot of hurt. But there were a lot of good things too. For which I do feel it is time for me to move forward with my life. But I shouldn't neglect the people who made it special. And there can be a balance with that, not in the money sense of exchange for I'll make you do this or that and vice versa. But I think radical honesty; radical honesty does not mean hurting one another, radical honesty is being able to see one another. And respond in kind, truly. Through facilitating trust for one another. For which that only takes giving someone a new opportunity, with a gift. Than a false gift that robs a person of their agency, consideration, or hope for change to reality-etc. be it with themselves and or others. But indeed, that consideration must be made consciously and continually. Where for me I'll lean more becoming myself as an artist while trusting my family can be okay so long as I take the time to actually communicate with them instead of communicating with myself over them. For that's where a lot of our trauma stemmed from. My advice (partly saying to myself) is to learn to recognize and define yourself with empathy as well especially and empathy with others than either neglecting that for them or subsuming to them. And maybe this should apply for any kind of relationship. Be it big or small. For our Traits define us, yet we should take responsibility to defining our own Traits. With thinking with others. Building community that facilitates understanding. Grow exploration for what could be with regard to what's ethical. Sometimes take breaks to listen and learn, even if it may feel like you're not learning, for we're all are always learning. Jump out to new opportunities to learn the language of another person; for we all contain multitudes. But I think something with my own family is considering they're just as human as I am too. Like you, and you, and me. And perhaps a lot of my own insight comes from many of the memories we've shared. Where Truth is a choice, so long as there's opportunity. I'm starting to ramble again... but I think what I really want to express for which like this video and I hope with this comment, is take any opportunity to give another person an opportunity if you're certain it'll be right for them so that they may be able to do the same for someone else. Because everyone disserves the opportunity to learn and understand what is, what happened, and where things are going. And by extent responding to that to help *everyone succeed. Because that's what it means to be real with people, so long as you are being real with yourself too first-most as well. 🌻
I so loved and related to this. I subscribed. I also can't figure out what I want to do, & got a degree but don't want to pursue that anymore. I'm in my forties & feel like I'm running out of time for different career paths with all my procrastinating & interest changing so much. All I want to do is learn & absorb more info. Putting all that info to practical use though is a challenge. If only I could just delegate all the actual 'doing'. I did end up with a family (4 kids!) & work part time from home while dealing with all the kids, house, etc. It has been the most challenging but also the most rewarding experience. The house is always a mess but the kids are growing up to be awesome humans. I need way more alone time so I just stay up half the night & sacrifice sleep. I definitely don't regret having a family. They're my favourite people & they put up with my weird characteristics. If you end up going that route I'd love to hear you analyze parenting & marriage issues as an INTP. Anyway, MBTI theory has given me a map to help analyze these daily human interactions I'm obligated to have & I'm sure will miss when they move out some day. It really has been so helpful (although they look at me like I'm an alien every time I try to explain any of it to them). I very often feel like an alien so it's nice to hear a fellow alien like you describe those same thoughts I've had many times. :)
The only true fulfilment in life comes from following Jesus Christ. Blessings!
Also INTP, and answering so far into the future, the issue may be moot, but a few, perhaps unfortunately blunt seeming comments due to the nature of short text communication: 1) Watching this, I quickly recognized myself in Fe grip situations: suddenly every option appears like the most extreme version of that path forward with the dial turned to 11. I'm sure five kids and 20 dogs was meant as an exaggeration for effect, but it certainly feels that way sometimes, doesn't it? 2) My personal path as an INTP has been like an arrow in flight launched by a blindfolded archer: it wobbles back and forth in the general direction I envision, until the next life shift adjusts my course again. INTPs are the perfect skill synergists: in my case, I began my 'career' working as a typesetter at a small printshop, then I went to university as a CIS major because I really liked coding. After two years, I realized I could never envision myself doing that for 10 hours a day, dropped out and joined the Navy, where I spent six years as a submarine nuclear operator. Getting out, I went to work as a production technician building black box electronics for helicopters, also learning LEAN manufacturing along the way. Then, due to poor decision making on the part of my company leadership, I left that position, moved across the country and became a nuclear operator again, this time at a test reactor, then became a fuel storage manager, where I was able to synergize every skill I have collected to date: rewriting procedures to make them shorter, faster, less error-prone using a combination of LEAN techniques and object oriented programming structure, improving signage myself by redesigning as needed, even running the laser etcher myself when needed. Then, when my entire organization refused to listen to critical thinking and insisted on the experimental injection, I left, cashed out my 401k and started a small crypto mining business of my own and am discovering that every equation I learned on the reactors is derived from the financial world. Einstein, also an INTP, even implied this, himself. Anywho, the point being, had I told me at 18, 20, even 30 years old what my job path forward was going to be, I would have probably laughed. 3) Emotion: I think a lot of us fail to separate the distinction between feelings and emotion: emotion is the act of emoting feelings. INTPs are pretty poor at emoting our feelings, but we certainly have feelings, and that Extroverted Feeling inferior function, although it can feel (pun intended) like a mugger in an alleyway sometimes, it is actually there to deal with things which overrun our intuitive thinking. 4) God: the online experts will all say INTPs are not compatible with spirituality. Hogwash. Get God: I recommend reading the Bible from page one, building understanding block by block with no preconceptions. God is why, I am persuaded, I as an INTP can do... 5) To me, very few people in this world are actual idiots. They just have different interests and priorities. As an INTP, whatever our formal education, we are all essentially minors in systems analysis. This can include invisible social systems. Analyze the invisible systems and you will know the interests and priorities of your co-workers and bosses. Then you can build a compatibility layer for presenting your solutions in language they will understand. 6) Family: turns out, as a natural outside the box thinker, INTPs can do both. I was in your boat as far as taking or leaving having kids. Having taken that plunge, I can say, it is worth it. Imagine being able to teach your son or daughter how to properly learn and apply knowledge, yourself. Again, the online type descriptions are garbage in this area. The idea that INTPs are not suitable for marriage is ridiculous. I have been married to my ISTJ wife for almost 17 years. She's often terrified by the "Ne glimmer in my eye" signifying something unpredictable is about to happen, but it works. Anyhow, I'd be happy to exchange notes on INTP life, pitfalls, superpowers, etc via PM any time. If any of this matters three years afterward. Supposedly that's a feature of TH-cam. I've never used it before.
Regarding pointy-headed bosses, I recommend this TED talk titled "Are We Celebrating the Wrong Leaders?" th-cam.com/video/b0Z9IpTVfUg/w-d-xo.html
Pretty much agreed. I'm an INTP myself (American) so 1. I'm watching this to procrastinate. 2. I tried to figure out your accent. For the first few seconds, I thought British, but I believe you are actually from Germany or a neighboring country and have high skill in English. Maybe I'll watch some more of your videos and comment about having been a scientist working for engineers who talk too much.
The good news for me is that I stuck with it long enough and made and saved enough money to become semi-retired.
Please never delete this video. I watch it often when I feel that I am lost in life. It always reminds me that I'm on the right track. When you said, you would learn so much if you had an abundant amount of money, I felt seen. I want to learn for the sake of learning. Not because I want to pass a test, but because learning about the world is really fulfilling Thanks again for the video
The happiest time of my life was when I was at a specialized summer camp at 17. The reason: though people my age were always around me and even slept in the same bunk as me, my activities at the camp often consumed me to the point where I could tune everyone out and just focus on the activity. So it was as if I had my own space to do my own thing BUT I was never lonely because there were always others my age around me (even if I barely ever bothered speaking to them). It was like having the best of both worlds. This has been impossible for me to recreate in adulthood.
Do any other INTPs feel like we tend to have disorganised attachment style?
That's true
Develop a daily routine of exercise that you do everyday as an intp. I do yoga and meditation everyday before I go to bed. I keep a log book of everytime i do it. It has made a huge difference in my life. It gets me out of my head and anxiety and depression. You have to get out of your head if you are an intp. I also play disc golf which is a really fun physical hobby. Try to find hobbies and interests that are physical. Physical activity is the solution to all of your problems if you are an intp. It is your polr function in mbti. Try to be in the present moment as much as possible.
Ah, of course intp life is sucks. We see the world differently than others. Anyway, as a little bit grown up intp, i would encourage whoever you intp, just socialize and let people know your emotion, lower your guard little bit, and enjoy being not too logical. You'll be a bit happier.
Diana, if you are still following comments on this, here is my take: Extraverts are the majority of the population, apparently on the order of 2/3 or so. Extraverts, especially strong ones, are incapable of intuitively understanding introverts and are likely to think of introverts as something like defective people who just need to be fixed and taught to be extraverts. They *could* be taught what introverts need, but are unlikely to see any necessity for accommodation. Extraverts set up their environments to be interesting and energizing for other extraverts, never considering that introverts might want somewhat (or very) different conditions. An example of this is restaurants. They almost all seem to be noisy and busy. Even if you specifically ask for a quiet area, it is almost impossible to get it. A work environment equivalent is an open office plan. These are difficult for any introvert and just hideous for INTPs. I am an INTP, and strongly introverted. My *top* suggestion for other introverts is to *never* take any advice from an extravert on anything, especially on questions of how to live your life. It will not work for you. Consider from where their advice comes; from the extravert perspective and its core assumptions. These underlying assumptions do not suit us, not at all. Consider what extraverts say just as more data, and use it to try to understand them and their core values, to the extent that this is possible, so as not to be misguided or fooled by them in the future. Otherwise, disconnect and ignore them. Look for other introverts to interact with. When seeking professional assistance in any area, look for an introvert. When you come across extraverts, try to identify them as quickly as possible, strictly limit the time and energy you spend with them, and look elsewhere. Be aware. Often, an introvert who could provide you with valuable assistance might initially come across looking like an extravert, but not strongly so. Introverts who are competent in their professions can often mask as extraverts, using this skill as a tool to get along in an extravert dominated world. Develop the ability to recognize and see through this masking, and you will be able to find people who can actually help you. I think INTPs can be at their best if they learn to be assertive, especially if they have tendencies toward neuroticism. This seems to be a necessary skill in a world dominated by extraverts. Assertiveness probably does not come naturally to most introvets, especially INTPs, but it can be learned with appropriate coaching and experience.
I'm an INTP. I would not characterize my life as sucking. However, it is a challenge to be an INTP. I know that 90% of the time, I'm going to be misunderstood.
Do u still feel like this 2 years on?
This negative talk doesn't help anyone, life is about navigating a road of beliefs you create for yourself, these ones you've talked about might seem to you to be the truth, but it's not, it's just a perspective you decided to choose. And limiting yourself to what you believe an INTP is also a very shallow approach to life. I'm not saying that life is always easy and amazing, it's just that if you want it to become better, this negativity and hate towards you and others is doing the opposite. Love is the answer, even if you feel no one loves you, try to love yourself and everyone and everything will change, I promise. (also INTP)
Totally the same for male INTPs as far as the fork in the road of family or career, in my opinion. I did come from a big family (6 siblings) and most of them have had kids. I'm 32 and engaged, but still no kids. I pour a lot of my time into writing my book. Meanwhile, I've worked in a factory for the past 10 years. I can feel stuck sometimes, and progress on the things I love is slow. And yeah, it's frustrating watching loud people do half-assed work and succeeding more than me lol My ENFJ friend wrote a sci-fi and published it right away in a condition riddled with spelling and grammar mistakes. But she's now technically an author, something I've been working toward for literal decades. My writing is pristine but the world hasn't seen it yet because I'd never publish it in the state she did. Sigh... But yeah, most of what you said makes sense for INTPs! If you want to learn more about types, I would suggest doing your own research on cognitive functions and the differences they present in people. I'm having a blast getting hyperfixated on them instead of editing my book 😅
I do enjoy life, I am happy and I am able to sozialize and be the moodmaker. BUT I often just chose not to. I like to be in my own head and deal with my own ideas. I just always realized I am always analyzing and overanalyzing stuff to the point I tend to think low about many stuff. I actually enjoy social gatherings and having a good time together very much but I do get my energy from spending time in my own head in a less chaotic surrounding. I don't understand how people think all INTP's can't socialize or don't want to. many of them just feel so drained to do so.
It's such a strange feeling being sort of an outcast and to know there's someone out there that feels exactly the same about pretty much everything. Same pov, despite what I can only imagine as an absurd amount of differences. The odds alone are just incalculable. Uncanny
I'm almost 50 and didn't much care for your video. You made it sound like our life is pretty ovet or something by then.
This is really spot on.
I'm 22 and resonate with everything you said. I got intp and just know you're not alone<3 I like to think that we have strengths of our personality. I did struggle a lot with being called mean or rude my entire life, it hurts. knowing my personality Im happy to know its because im more logical an theres a reason to my behavior. I can love myself a little more than agree with others that im mean
YOU ARE EXACTLY ME!!!!!!
soooooo right on !@#$%^&* 100%!!!!! INTP right here -- same exact sentiments
“I don’t wanna listen to that person telling me what to do because they’re an idiot and most of the time it’s true” LIKE FOR REAL 😭😭😭😭😭 I’ve taught therapists a thing or two and I dropped out of college after a month. Just life experience and analyzing other people’s mistakes and my own of course but my problem solving skills are so far I don’t like to dwell on one thing for too long bc there’s so much more to learn
Life sucks as an INFJ's also. INTP & INFJ's should only match as a couple to understand each-other.
blablablabla, if youd be a smart INTP, youd realize your hairstyle must be changed.
Sucks because we study with the ilusion of making a great contribution but seams that nobody cares about it. Then we start struggling with mean people, that is disgusting but is the perfect excuse to enter in our Ti-Si loop, which makes us a very aloof animal. Then we dig deeper in our grave becoming a very obscure animal. 😢
If you would choose the family way you'd probably get sucked by your partner and you'd then get your children also sucked in different ways... but hopefully one of them, being INTP, would get the enough wisdom from what had happened to him or her and all the suckedness will worth the pain. 😂. This is the story of my mother, probably 😊. Enough wisdom is the key!... Ok then perhaps this is the reason why we are so scarce. 😅
I feel like if I would be like Bill Gates I would do a piece of shit like that he did. And now I am doing poop like a poor dog 🐕. But the reality is that we are incompetent getting from life useful wisdom. One of two options are never enough. If you are sucked you are yet adding to this the personal development. 😅👍
I'll advise INTP females against having kids. They'll be huge burdens that require too much external/material-world/physical/emotional devotion. Get a pet and see how you feel first.
I'll suggest all INTPs try to learn some things from ENTPs. these two groups share a lot of similar traits, but they possess some things that will benefit INTPs' life very much. maybe do some physical exercise to acquire the strength and energy in order to better mingle/talk/discuss/debate with people. Learn to appreciate the knowledge and new angle of view that we can learn directly from fellow human beings, which means prioritizing Fe a bit more than INTPs usually do.
find the INTP off switch and take a risk!
im a female INTP and you sound exactly like me!
Great to hear from our variant 🙏
Hi, if you still around, thank you for uploading. Im INTP-T trying to sort myself out, this gives me food for thought!
Very smart, thanks for your thoughts!
I had this epiphany at age 55. I wish that I learned the INTP personality at a much younger age. The career and relationship struggles sound familiar, but it doesn’t have to be. MBTI is a very powerful tool. It explains why you excel in the logical department, but far more important it provides a clear framework to improve the weaknesses of the personality. The top functions are held back by the lower functions. By removing this bottleneck your opportunities in life will dramatically increase, in both departments. Try playing Opposite Day. Do something that you normally won’t consider because of your personality. You will be pleasantly surprised every time. Good luck!
Our "inferior function" is Feelings. Every type has an inferior function and that's what every type needs to understand and develop. That's your missing ingredient, I believe. If you haven't already read this book, I'd highly recommend "Personality Type" by Lenore Thomson. Really, really insightful chapter on INTP. As a fellow female INTP, I appreciate your candor!
As an intp, we would have the best time together...as pen pals lol. We are just weird. You're cute though...speaking of weirdness...
I'm an INTP.
God, another victim of "today's sociuhty"... So few seem to be able to refuse the crack cocaine of victimhood! Completely ineffectual, but "companies don't want someone who understands it deeply instead of a big mouth" ... yeah, right! Fool yourself some more. Despicable. Deal with your weaknesses and grow, don't rationalize & justify! Ugh!
14:14 There we go again! Ridiculous. "It's just about money" for whom? FOR WHOM? For the losers you know in your in-the-flesh life (and you'll be surrounded by such necessarily, being the low-value person you are; an uncomfortable truth is people are always surrounded by people close to their level, always)? For the winners, it's about money (yes, productivity is the #1 value after rationality) and SO MUCH MORE! But that would be unknown for people down in the ghetto like you and your relatives and friends. Start reading Ayn Rand and Leonard Peikoff's work BIG TIME. You need to stop being an ignoramus and a whiner. Be sure to start with the novels ("Atlas Shrugged" and "The Fountainhead"). Then on to the non-fiction.
@@prometheus9443Lol this is exactly the shit I write to ppl, when it’s just me attempting to motivate myself. Never works. But damn it feels good at the time.
Love from a fellow INTP. Ti + Ne = constant innovation but also feels like procrastination in a Se world. Life's meaning is a personal thing. Embrace the absurdity. Move beyond Si expectation based on social norms. Your high Ti + Ne is a wonderful thing. Use your Fe to share this to the world and they will be captivated. Find high Se users to create in the physical because your Ne overpowers your Se. Don't let the idea of an Se world diminish you. Embrace is absurdity and feed it with your intrepid discoveries ❤❤
This does not sound very informative. That's all I'll say.
Its sad to say but yes living as an INTP is a bless and a curse at the same time. We are very smart to the price of feeling apart of the society.
Short answer: Do something hard - do Engineering or Physical Sciences. This will broaden your options in the future. Professor of Physics can be a janitor if they would want, however, a janitor cannot design a nuclear reactor.
But I don’t like physics
@@60sbabydoll777 said no one INTP ever :3