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DrGraeme- serious massagers for serious results
Australia
เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 23 พ.ค. 2020
DrGraeme massagers were developed by a chiropractor as an effective tool for home massage therapy. They are brilliant for people with conditions such as back pain, but have wide uses including general health ands wellness, and those playing sports or exercising.
On this channel we will be providing scientifically supported information to help users get the most benefits possible
On this channel we will be providing scientifically supported information to help users get the most benefits possible
Email about a serious massage gun injury- with warning
Dr Graeme shares an email saying that a massage gun caused a serious injury requiring three and a half months of intensive rehabilitation that is still ongoing. He discusses how because massage guns drive their heads in like jackhammers they are less effective and capable of causing large amounts of damage.
RESOURCES
Are massage guns scientifically proven: www.drgraeme.com/articles/2023/12/are-massage-guns-scientifically-proven
Are massage guns safe: www.drgraeme.com/articles/2022/01/are-percussion-massagers-massage-guns-safe
RESOURCES
Are massage guns scientifically proven: www.drgraeme.com/articles/2023/12/are-massage-guns-scientifically-proven
Are massage guns safe: www.drgraeme.com/articles/2022/01/are-percussion-massagers-massage-guns-safe
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How to massage hard to get at spots between shoulder blades
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Chiropractor, Dr Graeme shows how to easily self massage between shoulder blades using a vibration massager. This includes how to position your body and take advantage of the handle of the machine. RESOURCES Vibration massager usage guide: www.drgraeme.com/articles/2024/05/vibration-massager-usage-guide
How to improve sports reaction times
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Most generic reaction time drills are a waste of time because they focus on neuronal circuitry that cannot be sped up. Instead reaction times can be reduced by improving recognition and decision making, and removing impediments to neuro-muscular function. In this video Dr Graeme (Chiropractor) discusses how this can be done, with practical examples. RESOURCES The effect of trigger points on spo...
Is foam rolling scientifically proven
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Most claims made about the benefits of foam rolling are misleading. Dr. Graeme (Chiropractor) shares with you what science really says about foam rolling in relation to: 1. Increasing performance 2. Recovery after exercise 3. Increasing flexibility 4. Improving cellulite 5. Safety RESOURCES Article: Do foam rollers work www.drgraeme.com/articles/2021/08/do-foam-rollers-work Alternatives for war...
How to stop trigger point pain coming back
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Dr Graeme (Chiropractor) discusses why trigger point pain keeps coming back. The reason is that trigger points are long term changes within the muscles, and therapies typically just temporarily relieve pain. Dr Graeme discusses how to rid trigger point pain permanently by reversing those long term changes in the muscles. RESOURCES Trigger point therapy guide: www.drgraeme.com/articles/2024/04/t...
How fibromyalgia is diagnosed- simplified
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Dr Graeme explains how fibromyalgia is diagnosed, plus the basic causes and treatments. RESOURCES The root cause of fibromyalgia: ref="www.drgraeme.com/articles/2022/01/what-is-the-root-cause-of-fibromyalgia How to massage fibromyalgia: www.drgraeme.com/articles/2024/01/massage-for-fibromyalgia-1 Trigger point therapy guide: www.drgraeme.com/articles/2024/04/trigger-point-therapy-guide" Why mos...
How to use massage to enhance performance
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In this video we share how massage can be used to enhance sports and athletics performance, including using massage: • pre-exercise or competition • post exercise for enhanced recovery • regular massages to improve muscle health and remove issues that inhibit performance RESOURCES Your Science Based Guide To Sports Massages: Types, Benefits And Recommendations: www.drgraeme.com/articles/2023/02...
Self trigger point therapy with vibration massage for lasting results
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In this video, Chiropractor Dr. Graeme explains what trigger points are and how they can cause pain and discomfort throughout the body. He also discusses different treatment options for trigger points, including traditional massage therapy and vibration therapy. Dr. Graeme emphasizes the importance of using a genuine vibration massager for effective and long-lasting relief. RESOURCES Trigger po...
Why we recommend self massage as pat of our patient care
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A healthcare professional discusses the challenges of treating chronic musculoskeletal conditions and the benefits of using vibration massagers for long-term pain relief and tissue healing. The speaker emphasizes the importance of addressing the underlying causes of pain, such as myofascial trigger points, and the limitations of traditional therapies. They advocate for a combined approach invol...
Does foam rolling help cellulite- with video instructions
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According to marketing foam rolling will be a big help for cellulite, but the reality is all it will do is give you a slight temporary improvement in appearance. The good news though is that scientists have used massage to removed cm for hips, thighs and buttocks. It’s something you can easily do at home, and what I’ll be showing you in this video. RESCOURCES Cellulite How to massage for cellul...
Common massage gun mistakes
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I see a lot of really bad advice about massage gun usage on TH-cam ranging from ineffective techniques though to stuff that could really hurt you. Most of it’s coming from people who are probably very good at conventional massage, but haven’t realised that using a mechanical vibrating massager is different. RESOURCES Web article version: www.drgraeme.com/articles/2023/08/common-massage-gun-mist...
The overlooked causes of poor sports reactions times
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In this video I’ll be sharing with you the overlooked causes of poor reaction times in sports, and how you can fix them. Before I do these videos I have a look over what other articles are saying to get an idea of whether there is any misinformation I need to deal with. What I found was a lot of advise about helping reaction times won’t help and in may cases is just plain wrong. Because of that...
How to treat tennis elbow at home
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In this video I’ll show you how to effectively treat tennis elbow at home. If you’ve had any experience with tennis elbow before you’ll understand that a lot of treatment is ineffective or just gives short term relief, and because of that tennis elbow can go on to be a severe long standing problem. The reason for this is medics too often ignore a major source of stress on the elbow, and that st...
Demonstration of tennis elbow examination and techniques
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This video shows the practical skills to accompany our article How to Treat Tennis Elbow at home. If you’ve come direct from TH-cam I’ll link the article in the description, or there’s a full video on Tennis Elbow linked above. It’s very important to note that the reason tennis elbow often doesn’t get better is because medics commonly overlook a big source of stress on your elbow, which I’ll de...
Anti-inflammatory drugs vs massage for back pain
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If you have back pain are you better off taking anti-inflammatory drugs or getting a massage? If you see a doctor you’ll likely be prescribed the drugs, but according to the clinical trials the massage is far more effective, and certainly much safer. The only possible argument for the drugs is that they are convenient and cheap, but there are very good self massages you can do that are easy, co...
Why your massager isn’t helping: three common mistakes
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Why your massager isn’t helping: three common mistakes
The benefits of sports massage: myths and marketing vs science
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The benefits of sports massage: myths and marketing vs science
What is the most effective trigger point therapy
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What is the most effective trigger point therapy
The side effects of vibration massagers
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The side effects of vibration massagers
Guide to trigger point therapy part two: your effective solution, including self care
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Guide to trigger point therapy part two: your effective solution, including self care
Trigger point therapy guide part one why courses of needles and laser only give short term relief
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Trigger point therapy guide part one why courses of needles and laser only give short term relief
Introduction to massage for shoulder pain
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Introduction to massage for shoulder pain
The scientific effects of vibration massage- with clinical applications
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The scientific effects of vibration massage- with clinical applications
Introduction to massage for cellulite
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Introduction to massage for cellulite
Introduction to massage for fibromyalgia
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Introduction to massage for fibromyalgia
Good information, thank you ❤
A time 🙂
Thanks for this informative video Dr Graham. Our chiropractic practice sells/recommends only your massage gun products (single head). As far as I know, we haven't had any negative feedback or returns. I love using my DrGraeme single head massager at home.
Thank you, but can you please edit your comment and not call our machine a "massage gun" 🙂
Thanks Graham, I actually bought one of those massage guns with those heads. Before I opened the package I did some research and found out about injuries that people were sustaining. Luckily I was able to return it and get a refund. And then bought one of your vibration massagers.
You dodged the bullet 🙂
Great machine, absolutely love it.
Thank you 🙂
TRUE
How do you find the trigger points?
Try here th-cam.com/video/fW2YkTNxmKw/w-d-xo.html
@drgraeme Hi Graeme - An update - I have had to stop using the massager because I found that it vibrated / aggrevated my elbow too much even when on slow setting, (I was just doing the forearm muscle trigger points no where near the elbow itself). So I am just doing manual massage now for the time being. Do you have any tips about how to go forward with this? Many thanks
I cannot give specific advice, and not sure if things have been overdone. The problem is that the problem has been poorly treated in the past so it has become hyper-sensitive. As general advice if it is that bad that distant vibrations stir it up one could try the alternative manual techniques discussed on the video until it settles down.
@@drgraeme Yes, thanks will do
Hi Graeme. Would you say 2mins per day per area is enough with your large head massager? And what setting is best? Maximum? Thanks
Check out the article in the description. We are able to pop more info on them than a video
I was "accidentally" diagnosed with fibro 40 years ago. I had blood work done for preop for carpal tunnel surgery. When the results came back, my doctor was shocked because I had recently had a yearly physical that didn't show fibro; however, it showed up in the Smack 25 preop blood work. To say the least it's been a living hell...
Medical stupidity rarely surprises me, but has this time. As clearly stated on the video the diagnostic criteria for fibromyalgia is that nothing is found on the lab tests. That means it is impossible to accidentally find it during a blood workup. It is bad enough that the doctors made this mistake 40 years ago, but this has been perpetuated for 40 years.
Thank you for your video. Does your treatment only apply to primary fibromyalgia? I had concomitant fibromyalgia, severe and runaway, caused by untreated chronic Lyme disease. After 8 months of Lyme treatment, I lost all fibromyalgia symptoms including sensitivity to sharp edges. Shared symptoms, like RLS, were cut in half or more. But primary fibromyalgia also has a proven technique developed by Dr. St. Amand that treats fibromyalgia at the cellular level using the Guaifenesin protocol, practiced by one of my fibromyalgia doctors who wrote a book on the topic and was trained by St. Amand. However, it requires symptoms-based treatment, so conventional doctors won’t do that because that requires clinical engagement and seeing the patient every week.
You really need de-programming and unlearn all that garbage you have been fed
Great video, Dr!
Thanks George
Foam rollers are only good for when you sleep on your side and you want you upper leg and pelvis supported
Yeh, but a pillow or cushion would be more comfortable :-)
Please try to get them to usa? We need them
Could you please explain how this massage tool is different from the massage tool that I got from Walmart? I understand with the one from Walmart does but what I do not understand is what the one that you were talking about and how it helps.
www.drgraeme.com/articles/2023/12/why-most-massagers-and-massage-guns-are-a-waste-of-money
Anything like that makes me feel worse and it absolutely is not the best way to treat!!!!!!
I assume you are using the massager you told me you got from Walmart. As discussed in the following article most massagers you get are ineffective and the percussion ones can hurt you. www.drgraeme.com/articles/2023/12/why-most-massagers-and-massage-guns-are-a-waste-of-money
I learned trigger point massage in school about 10 years ago. They didn't tell me that it was a treatment for fibromyalgia. I had a co-worker at the time who suffered from fibromyalgia. It would have been excellent practice for me in clinic and could have helped her a lot. She took a lot of FMLA. I've lost track of her now. I wonder if she's all doped up.
Me: toxoplasmosis (1989), cfs (1990), fibromyalgia (1992), ankylosing spondylitis (2016) and, post-covid , rheumatoid arthritis (2024 very high blood count).
Diagnosed with: acute toxoplasmosis and treated with sulpha drugs. Then chronic fatigue syndrome/ myalgic encephalomyelitis (linkage made by Dr Sheppard in England between toxoplasmosis and ME). Then 1 year later fibromyalgia. Then, 26 years later ankylosing spondylitis. Then 8 years later severe rheumatoid arthritis. When I first had cfs/me that was the most severe pain of all. Worse than the pain I have from severe RA. Go figure.
If this is true why the hell dont any doctors know how to treat us!
The drug company influence is so great that medicine is a sales force for the drugs. Drugs are promoted. Anything that would reduce the need for drugs gets suppressed.
Very helpful information. Liberation from going to endless therapists.
My pleasure
What’s the difference between a massage gun and a vibrating gun? And since it’s vibrating, why not get a vibrating ball for example like the one from therabody? I can see you are very knowledgeable but it looks like you are just trying to sell and promote your product as the best solution, making every other alternative look bad, for example, scraping has helped me reduce the size of my muscle knots significantly. It’s painful but definitely effective, but you suggest that it’s completely ineffective? Would appreciate an answer, thanks doc
If you want the details check out the article linked at the end of this comment. However, if you ever used a genuine vibration massager after a gun or whatever you would notice a huge difference. You would feel the vibrations go right through you and rapidly "dissolve" things. Regarding the painful technique you are doing,, they are hard to do and hurt so most people will only do them when motivated by worse pain, so they never have the continuity needs to make any lasting changes. www.drgraeme.com/articles/2023/12/why-most-massagers-and-massage-guns-are-a-waste-of-money
I have had Tennis Elbow for about 11 months, I had a steroid injection in Jan (this year) but now 6 months on it has returned with a vengeance! And I am in a great deal of pain. I have recently had Barbotage procedure on it (6 weeks ago) and that hasn’t helped at all. This is the first thing that has helped, doing what you suggested in the video bought me instant relief, amazing! I shall definitely be ordering one of your massagers. Do I just need the general purpose one you have in the video or would the deep tissue one be better? Also when I get to phase 3 - I am aware that tendons take at least a year to heal properly and there is a lot of conflicting advice out there about what exercises you should be doing (Eccentric or Eccentric and concentric etc). And I have seen 3 or 4 physio therapists all with different advice! Do you have a video or can you point me in the direction of somewhere/someone that has the correct exercises to do, that will heal and not aggravate it? (as I don’t want to be back to square one 6 months down the line!) - Your help is really appreciated Thanks, Julian
I am glad that this has brought you instant relief after your horror run. The General Purpose Massager is the one you want. The Deep Tissue Massager is an older model and not as good. It should be obvious to you now that those 3 or 4 physios who have been advising you have not understood the problem, and their advice regarding 12m healing, eccentric vs concentric etc. comes from ignorance. Now you are out of that stuff and just let your body heal. Gradually re-introduce normal activities and exercise, and let your body tell you what you can and cannot do.
@@drgraeme Hi Graeme, thanks for your swift reply. I will order the General purpose one. If I order direct from you do you know roughly how long it will take to get to the UK? I am still in phase 1, still in pain and ice packing etc but the trigger points as in the video are the only thing that has brought me relief so I look forward to doing it properly with the massager. What I was trying to ask before was - in the video you say in phase 3 (9:25) you can start introducing strengthening exercises for rehabilitation - Can you recommend some suitable ones? Many thanks
@@Jools100 Phase three is when it is OK for normal activities but you have lost some strength and flexibility. Any exercises someone would give you at a gym for doing this would help. That could be stretches, weights of using rubber bands.
Ok thanks I have ordered the massager 👍🏻
How often do you recommend doing trigger point massage for tennis elbow? Daily? More than once per day? I couldn't find where it was mentioned in the video or article. Will doing it too often potentially make it worse? Thank you!
The microbiome is the key to this....get it sorted. Look up shit pills.
So well explained, thanks! Your massagers are brilliant.
Thank you. Glad it is helpful.
I spent $4000 on a massage chair and cant even tolerate the mildest program. Feels like Im being mauled by a polar bear.
Of course. They are not optimised for this purpose and are totally inappropriate. You could have got an appropriate massager for a fraction of the price.
Wish you offered USA shipping.
I would, only because suing each other is a national sport our insurance company will not let us.
Thank you so much. I've been searching for over a year for this information. I really wish I could purchase your massager in the US.
Any time 🙂
Thank you for this information about massagers. The difference in vibration and percussion is critical information for me (and I'm sure many others). There are so many choices on Amazon that it's still confusing, but with your help, I believe I can choose a massager that works best for my body.
Thank you 🙂
Thank you Dr for your very well explained.. I suffer for.last 16 years. Now recent it got flared up n very severe pain from head to the toe on all parts..I'm am treated by a well known Neurologist and orthopaedic Drs. Unable to sleep, sit, stand. V. V..crucial pain. Tnx for your teaching..❤
Thank you for this message I just bought a massager feel wonderful 😊 Hope it works for me I am 86yrs old ingood shape But my legs back and feet nerve pain and fibromyalgia for 15 years I will give it go with a prayer😂❤🎉
Great explanation, thanks for posting. Can trigger points lead to joint issues at all?
Yes, as an example check the article on the shoulder joint linked in the description
@@drgraemethankyou, it's such an informative article and incredibly helpful 😊
@@msal7084 Thank you
This is interesting and sort of where I have ended up. I'm interested in learning about the development of Fibromyalgia pain and a possible association with teeth clenching, jaw grinding and nail biting. Perhaps there are trigger points that line up with the Tmj area and the neck.
Trigger points certainly affect TMJ function
Where do you buy the knot vibrator mentioned?
As per the note at the end of the video see www.drgraeme.com/orders
Can't find anything like this in the USA Except a genie which can't reach my back. I would need help. Dont have anyone to assist me. Can you recommend something similar sold in the USA i can use myself? Tried Amazon only to find massage guns and percussion machines. I have painful knots everywhere. My whole body is tender and knotted up. FM is causing me so much pain and agony. i have trouble walking and when i stand or walk for more than 10 minutes, i get horrible flareups that lasts weeks. My quality of life has deteriorated to the point i am not living just existing.
I've had one of these massagers for about 9 years, it's excellent
Thanks Graeme
Any time 🙂
Thank you for posting this video. I have had Tennis and golfers elbow for two years. Is the treatment the same for golfers elbow?
Thanks Tania. Yes, golfers elbow is the same problem, only involving the muscles at the front of your forearm attaching to the inside of your elbow.
Time to try your vibration device.
@@taniarobertpellegrini7123 🙂
Thank you, clear and detailed explanation finaly!
My pleasure
This guys an idiot.. Don't get it I the first place
I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia years and years ago…but, I have NEVER had the trigger point pain that they say diagnoses it! However, I have severe Deg.Disc Disease, and spinal stenosis and have had two major spine surgeries. My muscle knots have returned along with the loss of improvements from surgeries. I also have other diseases now, but firmly believe had I received proper treatment, I would still be mobile today, without all these knots all over my body, and the pain that goes with it. My knots are in my abdomen , ribs, neck, spine, arms legs….everywhere! better research and treatment would have made a difference for Thousands of people who are suffering today!
I normally just delete comments that blatantly incorrect and misleading, but decided to leave this one as an illustration of the stupidity that exists. Fibromyalgia is supposed to be diagnosed when the medics cannot find a cause of pain. yet Gizmo has has severe disc generation, stenosis and two major spinal surgeries. Gizmo says that he never had trigger point pain, but later says their where "knots" all over his/her body. "Knots" are a non technical term that describes trigger points. Lastly Gizmo says that better research and treatment would make a huge different. There is no argument about the need for better treatment, but the research has already been done. As stated in the video though that research is swept under the carpet so drug companies can sell more drugs.
Dude sounds frustrated with bogus advice....greatful for this video definition, backed by research. ..and home tips.
Yeh I do get frustrated by bogus advice. Thanks 🙂
sorry but this doesn't make any sense - chronic pain in multiple locations in the physical body (fibromyalgia) is caused by persistent pain bombardment at the trigger points? This is like saying that the president of this country is a good leader because he is the president of this country. It is circular reasoning and doesn't really explain anything.
I don't mind if people say they don't understand, but not people who show their ignorance by saying that it doesn't make sense and doesn't explain things. For any polite people who don't understand sensitisation consider the analogy of bee stings. Sometimes people are repeatedly stung by bees. At first they just get normal pain, but their bodies eventually become sensitised so the same bee sting causes a massive reaction.
@@drgraeme well, at least i'm polite about my ignorance...
I really think that fibromyalgia is linked to digestive disorders, especially Sibo, which more people have than they realize and could be the cause of many health issues. I had tummy issues several years ago that just progressed to worrying and sometimes debilitating symptoms. Besides bloating and other uncomfortable tummy issues, I was experiencing weird tingling sensations in my feet and legs, like it was a nerve problem, but of course that wasn’t my main concern. It’s said that Sibo damages the gut lining and affects absorption of nutrients, like B vitamins, integral to nerve function. An allopathic doctor prescribed an acid reducer which helped at first but I think made things worse over time. Later I sought help from a naturopath who gave me a breath test which led to my diagnosis. I followed a strictly restrictive diet for several months to get rid of the bad bacteria, reset my micro biome and repair my gut lining. I also bought a vibration plate to use to help lymph flow as I was so exhausted all the time that regular exercise activity was difficult. I found that helped with the nerve/muscle issues in my legs. As a very welcome side effect, I also lost all the cumbersome extra weight I had been depressingly carrying for about a dozen years, effortlessly - at age 52, and I’ve kept it off for 3 years now. I’m a size 4 and wear bikinis whenever I damn well feel like. I was never hungry on that diet because I did a lot of research and preparation before the day I committed to starting. Now I will say the healing crisis in the first week with the bacteria die off was nasty but I persevered because frankly I didn’t want to go through that again if I cheated and ate that piece of chocolate my brain was telling me to eat. I ate until I was full and never counted calories nor reduced fat. Lots of fat is good. I did also follow one meal a day intermittent fasting to give my gut more time to repair itself, but I found my body mostly prefers to not eat until later in the day. I was also suffering from what I found out later was gastrocardiac syndrome, with very high blood pressure, tachycardia and irregular heartbeats, plus dizzy spells and almost blackout fainting. It’s also important to deal with stress and anxiety during the healing process, so I was prescribed an adrenal support, magnesium and a digestive supplement, to help calm my overactive nervous system. Personally, I also started to practice meditative yin yoga, which also helped with relaxation, but also helped stretched my tight connective tissue which was causing pain and headaches. When embarking on a new health journey, you have to take control of your own life and find what works for you to facilitate your healing process. A wholistic approach is necessary. Ask for help - find people and practitioners to guide and assist you. Do your own research and take positive action. Realize you are worth feeling your best. Many of us are caregivers and don’t take time for self-care. That is so important. Please take good care of yourselves.
I know so many people like me after car accidents that have fibromyalgia. Or trauma
A few days ago, while biking in the desert, I suddenly fell, due to which I got a bruise on my under-knee, and this bruise changed color, and now the skin color is getting normal, but the muscle was very hard in that place. Now 3 to 4 clots have formed which are not painful but cause pain in the whole leg.
These are not "muscle knots" as described. You had better get specific advice on these.
Thankyou for sharing, your videos are incredibly helpful.
My pleasure 🙂
Thank you so much! I've been in such bad pain all day, I'm so glad I came across this video. I've been rubbing directly on my elbow all day making it worse 🤦🏻♀️ Not even 5 minutes of doing what you suggested and my elbow is 10x better 🙌
That's great 🙂 I say in the video it's a simple problem, but most treatment for tennis elbow is illogical and makes it worse.
From my experience the pain is caused by our immune systems attacking our joints. That's why they give you Prednisone, to lower down our immune system to relieve the pain. Unfortunately, it's only a 5-day treatment. The pain came back immediately after I finished it. Chronic anxiety and PTSD are apparently what triggers the immune system to attack the joints. Tomorrow I start Duloxetine.
Normally I just delete ill-informed and misleading comments like this, but will leave it for educational purposes. "Immune systems attacking our joints" refer to arthritides such as rheumatoid arthritis. By definition "fibromyalgia" is diagnosed when no cause cam be found, but medics can certainly find conditions like rheumatoid. Next we are told that rheumatoid and the like are caused by chronic anxiety and PTSD. Where do people get these crazy ideas?????
Thanks learned a lot didnt know before😄
Thanks Daphne 🙂
which vibration massager would you recommend it must be strong enough i guess?
Yes it has to be strong enough, and not a percussion massager (jackhammer rather than deliver therapeutic vibrations). Please see the following link for how to choose. That said, most personal use massagers are either massage guns or ineffective consumer machines (or both) so we built our own. www.drgraeme.com/articles/2021/11/how-to-choose-a-massager